Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

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Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger

What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.

Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.

So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?

Do you listen to yourself? Yes. You should slow down and respectfully wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The idea that you think people owe you to move out of your way is what makes you an a-hole that gives cyclists a bad name.

And yet you insist the cyclists move over for you on MacArthur Boulevard and any other road in the region.l Ironic.

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Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger

What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.

Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.

I think the bolded is the crux of the problem. Cyclists can take a whole street, the sidewalk, the trail, don't need to stop at stop signs, and expect deference from all while flouting rules at their convenience and getting aggressive with anyone who doesn't agree. They can get away with things cars and pedestrians cannot.

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Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger

What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.

Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.

So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?

Do you listen to yourself? Yes. You should slow down and respectfully wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The idea that you think people owe you to move out of your way is what makes you an a-hole that gives cyclists a bad name.

And yet you insist the cyclists move over for you on MacArthur Boulevard and any other road in the region.l Ironic.

I’m the PP you’re responding to and you don’t seem to understand that there are more than 1 person in this thread. I am a cyclist myself and it’s cyclists like this person who are total a-holes that give us a bad name.

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Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

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Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

I commuted by bike for 13 years. Something that people who don't ride in traffic often probably don't understand is that when you're on a bike, drivers violate your right of way all the time. Like, every few minutes. They merge as if you're not there, turn right in front of you, go through stop signs, turn right on red. So you learn to treat every intersection as a yield sign, because you never know if motorists are really going to yield to you. On my commute there was a spot where a road came in on the right, and most of the traffic coming to that intersection was turning right. If I came to that intersection and I had the green light, someone would turn right on red right into me, every single time!

It's not at all like driving a car, where if you come to an intersection and you have the green, you don't even have to think about whether to go, nobody's going to drive right into you.

Yes, thank you. It's scary and I have biked for 30 years in DC, never in Lycra. And for the record yes I ride on the sidewalk sometimes with my son in a trailer behind me because I would be KILLED in a second on Benning Road. I am preventing having to buy a second car which we really can't afford. Also, public transportation from EOTR to Brookland sucks, it's been amazing for my physical and mental health AND I'm not contributing even more to climate destruction.

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^^whoa terrible sentence structure there but hopefully my point conveys

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

DC's Vision Zero initiative looked at the data and highlights the safety problem. It's not bicycles, it's cars. There have been far more reported collisions between cars and pedestrians than bikes and pedestrians, far more fatalities resulting from cars, far more disability injuries resulting from cars. Cars are a far bigger problem than bicycles are. Stop blaming bicycles.

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Seriously, I've been nearly runover by drivers dozens of times in the last few months and you folks are complaining about bikers? When was the last time they killed anyone in DC?

Seriously grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

I don't think a biker has killed anyone in DC in the last 10 years. Now drivers on the other hand have killed plenty of children. Actually they are more dangerous for children than COVID. Bowser should ban driving and get rid of the DCPS mask mandate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-struck-by-cyclist-in-downtown-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-struck-by-cyclist-in-downtown-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

I posted above trying to understand where the antibike rage is coming from. Still don't get it. Don't bike, but my most immediate concern is for driver safety. To the OP of this thread, I drive a car and don't ride a bike. However, I don't oppose this new law.

As a parent of two kids, if y'all could channel your rage to get DC to do more to hold crappy drivers responsible, that would be grand. I'm still mad about the car that ran a red light on Benning as I was about to pull out of my street this morning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-struck-by-cyclist-in-downtown-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

I posted above trying to understand where the antibike rage is coming from. Still don't get it. Don't bike, but my most immediate concern is for [/b]driver safety. To the OP of this thread, I drive a car and don't ride a bike. However, I don't oppose this new law.

As a parent of two kids, if y'all could channel your rage to get DC to do more to hold crappy drivers responsible, that would be grand. I'm still mad about the car that ran a red light on Benning as I was about to pull out of my street this morning.

*Meant to say my most immediate concern is for [b] pedestrian safety. And well, my safety as a driver with kids in the car and so much horrific driving in this city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.

I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.

Okkkk but can you give me stats on bicyclists hitting pedestrians in DC? All I know of driving in Adams Morgan is that a pedestrian was killed by a car there recently. That evokes more concern to me, so I still don't get it. I'm more worried about the kids getting mowed over by drivers to have any energy to care about a biker whizzing by. Have you seen the video of the kid on his bike who got mowed over in Kingman Park? I live right near there and I have two kids. I absolutely feel rage for the drivers breaking laws, but the occasional cyclist who breaks a las doesn't make me feel much more than a momentary irritation.

The WashCycle blog (TheWashCycle.com) compiled a comprehensive list of every pedestrian killed in a collision with a cyclist in the DC region since the invention of the bicycle in the late 19th century. A total of nine fatalities. (See: https://www.thewashcycle.com/2017/03/pedestrian-struck-by-cyclist-in-downtown-dc-dies-from-injuriess-.html ). Meanwhile, the DC region averages around 400 motor vehicle fatalities per year, or about one a day. It's literally an everyday occurrence.

I posted above trying to understand where the antibike rage is coming from. Still don't get it. Don't bike, but my most immediate concern is for [/b]driver safety. To the OP of this thread, I drive a car and don't ride a bike. However, I don't oppose this new law.

As a parent of two kids, if y'all could channel your rage to get DC to do more to hold crappy drivers responsible, that would be grand. I'm still mad about the car that ran a red light on Benning as I was about to pull out of my street this morning.

*Meant to say my most immediate concern is for [b] pedestrian safety. And well, my safety as a driver with kids in the car and so much horrific driving in this city.

Haha thanks for correcting- was reading your first message and thought WOW now pedestrians have to content with people who think driver safety is more important than pedestrians safety

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DC law requires Bikes to yield to pedestrians while on the side walk in cross walks etc.. Bikes almost never do - this happens frequently.

The fact that cars may be a larger safety hazard does not conflict with bikes being held to a safe standard when traveling on a side walk. The standard that "no one has been killed in x years" is a very low bar. I am sure there are many collisions that result in injury to the peds which would not occur if the bicylists reduced their speed to a walking speed until they can safely get around the pedestrians.

Ringing a bell or yelling on your left doesn't mitigate the bikes responsibility to manage their speed in a way so that they don't hit the people walking

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC law requires Bikes to yield to pedestrians while on the side walk in cross walks etc.. Bikes almost never do - this happens frequently.

The fact that cars may be a larger safety hazard does not conflict with bikes being held to a safe standard when traveling on a side walk. The standard that "no one has been killed in x years" is a very low bar. I am sure there are many collisions that result in injury to the peds which would not occur if the bicylists reduced their speed to a walking speed until they can safely get around the pedestrians.

Ringing a bell or yelling on your left doesn't mitigate the bikes responsibility to manage their speed in a way so that they don't hit the people walking

Okay.