Mary Cheh wants to make it legal for bicyclists for blow stop signs and stop lights

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are
Anonymous
I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.


I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?


To add on, if there were a group of five cyclists taking over several lanes on the road, I would be annoyed as a driver. This isn’t analogous to a biker in the right lane dealing with people honking behind them.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?


To add on, if there were a group of five cyclists taking over several lanes on the road, I would be annoyed as a driver. This isn’t analogous to a biker in the right lane dealing with people honking behind them.


If there are only two lanes of traffic, it's directly analogous.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DC has far too mamy hills which make it more difficult to yield to pedestrians. There won't be enough time to stop and the pedestrians won't see the cyclists coming.



I don't think you understand what "yield" means. You have to slow down when you come to an intersection to make sure there is no other traffic (and pedestrians are traffic). You just don't have to come to a complete stop.


I meant if they were coming down a hill and need to stop for a slow moving family with little kids or stolllers. If someone is there they have to stop. They may not be able to see anyone over the hill to slow down or stop before it's too late.


If they don't have the visibility to stop at the intersection, what difference does the law make?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.


I don't know about rage but cyclists can be a pain in Adams Morgan/Dupont. I'd say they're a bigger problem for pedestrians, especially because they're often on the freaking sidewalk and certainly don't yield in crosswalks to pedestrians. As a driver, I don't see cyclists obeying any rules, either. Not stopping, not taking turns, not respecting the direction of traffic, nothing. Total anarchy.


I commuted by bike for 13 years. Something that people who don't ride in traffic often probably don't understand is that when you're on a bike, drivers violate your right of way all the time. Like, every few minutes. They merge as if you're not there, turn right in front of you, go through stop signs, turn right on red. So you learn to treat every intersection as a yield sign, because you never know if motorists are really going to yield to you. On my commute there was a spot where a road came in on the right, and most of the traffic coming to that intersection was turning right. If I came to that intersection and I had the green light, someone would turn right on red right into me, every single time!

It's not at all like driving a car, where if you come to an intersection and you have the green, you don't even have to think about whether to go, nobody's going to drive right into you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?

Do you listen to yourself? Yes. You should slow down and respectfully wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The idea that you think people owe you to move out of your way is what makes you an a-hole that gives cyclists a bad name.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?

Do you listen to yourself? Yes. You should slow down and respectfully wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The idea that you think people owe you to move out of your way is what makes you an a-hole that gives cyclists a bad name.


These aren’t two lane trails that I’m referring to…there is no pass to be had
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?


To add on, if there were a group of five cyclists taking over several lanes on the road, I would be annoyed as a driver. This isn’t analogous to a biker in the right lane dealing with people honking behind them.

That group of 5 cyclists engaging in legal lane sharing. You seem to view the world through a prism that it’s all about you, which just follows the cyclist stereotype that everyone hates, even fellow cyclists like myself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:every time there is a complaint about pedestrians about cyclists they bring up cars - which is a totally different issue. Cars behaving badly doesn't provide an excuse to cyclists menacing pedestrians.

This would make it much more dangerous for pedestrians crossing in cross walks as most cyclists yield only to cars and expect pedestrians to leap out of their way

Same with ringing the bell or yelling on your left as they wiz by on the side walk witihout slowing down. Having walked in DC for 25 years and not driving - bikes, scooters etc.. are a major concern when trying to navigate around the city. I don't see why a bike's need to "maintain momentum" needs to put pedestrians in danger


What sidewalks do you frequent that see bikers speeding and ringing their bells? As a biker the only time I have even needed to use my bell or scream is on beach drive or the trails around mt Vernon where pedestrians seem to be fine walking 3-4 ppl wide and ignoring passing riders. We scream bc we don’t want to hurt you and you aren’t moving

This is a-hole behavior. These pedestrians are engaging in completely legal activity and instead of slowing down to safely pass, you menace them.

In many jurisdictions, cyclists have successfully lobbied to make it illegal for cars to honk at them while they are legally cycling in the road. The absolute hypocrisy on display here is astounding.

Have you considered that the pedestrians find it safer to “take the path”?

People like you are why people hate cyclists.


Well, I’m speaking of a shared trail, where they are taking the whole lane, and only after I’ve tried to alert them using a lower level voice. You can choose to interpret as menacing what you wish. I’m not sure if you’re the same poster who keeps using the same Lycra/middle aged man buzzwords, but it’s always clear who the anti cyclists are

There is no difference between a shared path or a shared street. You are allowed to take the whole street as a cyclist and pedestrians are allowed to take the whole path as well. The fact that you think as a cyclist that you are entitled to treat pedestrians in a manner that you would not want cars to treat you in a bicycle should cause you some reflection. Because you and other cyclists like you are literally the reason that people hate cyclists and as a cyclists myself you should be ashamed for giving us a bad reputation that makes it less safe for us.


So, you think the solution is to just ride behind the pedestrians for the remainder of their walk?

Do you listen to yourself? Yes. You should slow down and respectfully wait for a safe opportunity to pass. The idea that you think people owe you to move out of your way is what makes you an a-hole that gives cyclists a bad name.


These aren’t two lane trails that I’m referring to…there is no pass to be had

Then you cannot pass. They have every right to use that path as you do.
Anonymous
anyway, I apologize for derailing this thread. This is about the benefits of an Idaho stop, which I think most of us cyclists do already. The biggest advantage of this being codified would be public education about why bikers have the need to do the stop while riding in commuter traffic
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I live and drive in DC, lived here for 15 years. I don't bike. I'm completely confused by the angst over bikers. I live near the Anacostia trail in Hill East/KP area which is frequently used by bikers and I don't have issues with people mowing me over.

I DO use the trail appropriately - as in, look before crossing it because I know some bikers come on quickly and wouldn't be able to stop, teach my kids to do the same, and stick to one side of the trail so that I can be passed easily when walking or jogging.

I drive to work in DC (near Catholic U) and I am just not bothered by bikers. I do pay attention and I'm careful to stop.

Where do you folks live in DC that this is such an issue for you to rant about on and on and on? I just don't have the same experience to cause the rage you all are experiencing.


The issue isn't you or the bikers. It is the 1960's car-centric entitlement of the people complaining. It is sort of like the MAGA whiners.
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