Brave new world: BRYC and VYS partnership is on

[ProRel]

soccerNOVA wrote:

DMVParent wrote:

joy4 wrote:Pls specific about Boys or Girls.
There is big difference.

Anyway, for BOYS!!!, VYS does not stand out in EDP play, and with some previous VYS players on BYRC ECNL teams already, I do believe VYS replacing BRYC for ECNL is getting lower performance, if most BRYC BOYS players moving to NVU.

The initial concept is to consolidate, but with what is happening for BOYS side, it basically introduced a new NVU club into Nothern Virgina boys' landscape. Good or bad, time will tell.
I feel it is going to be a bad thing, well, I only care about my boy, to make things easy he may go alone with NVU. sadly, no option is better than another.

Is NVUFC actually starting boys teams for regular season play or is that still just a rumor?

The initial materials distributed at BRYC and VYS said that the best players will make Brave. If you are making the assumption that BRYC is better than VYS on the boys side and therefore all the BRYC kids will be upset and leave for NVU or elsewhere, then of course Brave teams will suffer. VYS alone isn't going to be big enough or good enough to build competitive ECNL teams. That's especially true on the boys side.

In my opinion, those are bad assumptions. What makes you think that BRYC families would leave a Fairfax ECNL team that practices on local fields for unproven NVU program that has never even fielded teams before? Isn't BRYC is badly in need of some organization and professionalism? I haven't heard anyone deny that, and if VYS can bring that then its a huge plus even if nothing else changes.

My guess for the boys is that VYS beings an influx of talent at younger age groups, but has a little less to offer at older age groups. On average maybe 50-70% of Brave rosters next year will be current BRYC kids. Maybe 25% will come from VYS and the remaining amount will join from elsewhere in Fairfax county. Those kids could be good too and be opting for Brave as opposed to driving further to other established ECNL clubs.

Union and VDA are both partnerships. I think that's what it takes to succeed in ECNL if you are not as big as Loudoun or Arlington. If the launch is organized, then I think top BRYC boys stay and you will be surprised how good these Brave teams are.

Whether or not the 27th best player on a 30 person roster sticks around for ECNL regional league is a different question. Regional league is probably the right competition for those kids though, and still should be a better option than NVU. I know some people are hyping up NVU, but I just don't see it at all. Good luck with that.

+1

The NVU talk seems like a lot of bluster. If you choose to take your player out of ECNL because his coach is upset, best of luck to you.

[SoccerSkeptic]

Where will NVU even practice? Seems silly to leave an ECNL team for EDP or who knows what. How good could the coaches be if all the BRYC teams don't do well.

[SoccerWatcher]

Here is my take on what is happening after having listened and talked to parents. BRYC is incredibly disorganized. Teams operate somewhat independently and coaches have a lot of freedom to do whatever they want. With this new partnership a few VYS coaches will be coming in to coach a few ECNL teams probably the younger ones which will have the most VYS players accepted. I think for the most part BRYC coaches would have retained their teams at the older ages but there are going to be a few new coaches on both the girls and boys side. In addition there will be at least one practice per week in Vienna area. These BRYC coaches don't like this new setup so they have decided to threaten to leave and take their teams with them. If the parents of the top players follow these coaches to NVU - I think this will be a disaster for the players as they will not be playing in a competitive league anymore and also for this partnership. Messy situation. I hear parents talking about the teams applying for MLS Next. That is not going to happen for such a long time and the BRYC teams are not strong enough to even be accepted. There is not a single BRYC boys team that is in the top half of the standings. All of this is due to disgruntled coaches convincing parents to make a decision that is not in the best interest of their players. Sad

[joy4]

SoccerWatcher wrote:Here is my take on what is happening after having listened and talked to parents. BRYC is incredibly disorganized. Teams operate somewhat independently and coaches have a lot of freedom to do whatever they want. With this new partnership a few VYS coaches will be coming in to coach a few ECNL teams probably the younger ones which will have the most VYS players accepted. I think for the most part BRYC coaches would have retained their teams at the older ages but there are going to be a few new coaches on both the girls and boys side. In addition there will be at least one practice per week in Vienna area. These BRYC coaches don't like this new setup so they have decided to threaten to leave and take their teams with them. If the parents of the top players follow these coaches to NVU - I think this will be a disaster for the players as they will not be playing in a competitive league anymore and also for this partnership. Messy situation. I hear parents talking about the teams applying for MLS Next. That is not going to happen for such a long time and the BRYC teams are not strong enough to even be accepted. There is not a single BRYC boys team that is in the top half of the standings. All of this is due to disgruntled coaches convincing parents to make a decision that is not in the best interest of their players. Sad

It Is What It Is. Would be disasters for both ways on boys, combining or breaking away.

This is VYS Boys overview in ECNL RL Virginia North. (8 teams)
https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2297/individual-club/528/16

with this list, probably "best interest of their players" only for U13 age group.

Current BRYC in ECNL MA 18 teams.
https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2365/individual-club/357/12

[dnl8675309]

joy4 wrote:

SoccerWatcher wrote:Here is my take on what is happening after having listened and talked to parents. BRYC is incredibly disorganized. Teams operate somewhat independently and coaches have a lot of freedom to do whatever they want. With this new partnership a few VYS coaches will be coming in to coach a few ECNL teams probably the younger ones which will have the most VYS players accepted. I think for the most part BRYC coaches would have retained their teams at the older ages but there are going to be a few new coaches on both the girls and boys side. In addition there will be at least one practice per week in Vienna area. These BRYC coaches don't like this new setup so they have decided to threaten to leave and take their teams with them. If the parents of the top players follow these coaches to NVU - I think this will be a disaster for the players as they will not be playing in a competitive league anymore and also for this partnership. Messy situation. I hear parents talking about the teams applying for MLS Next. That is not going to happen for such a long time and the BRYC teams are not strong enough to even be accepted. There is not a single BRYC boys team that is in the top half of the standings. All of this is due to disgruntled coaches convincing parents to make a decision that is not in the best interest of their players. Sad

It Is What It Is. Would be disasters for both ways on boys, combining or breaking away.

This is VYS Boys overview in ECNL RL Virginia North. (8 teams)
https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2297/individual-club/528/16

with this list, probably "best interest of their players" only for U13 age group.

Current BRYC in ECNL MA 18 teams.
https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2365/individual-club/357/12

So it's a disaster to practice one day a week in Vienna? What a joke.

And RL is not even in the same category or quality of play of ECNL. Makes no sense. It's not apples to apple. It's more like applies to steak.

Bottomline, nothing is changing for BRYC boys except 10 extra minutes of drive time. One day a week and maybe a new teammate or two with some nice skills.

The whining is extra loud these days from grown men. And some sycophant parents.

[NovaAttackingMid]

Five years from now, this will not look like a merger but rather Vienna expanding its reach. The BRYC system is irreparably broken. The BRYC ECNL coaches are all a joke except for one, and he doesn't plan on staying long term. VYS will be filling those coaching slots. Call it BRAVE or whatever you want. This is a non-hostile takeover of a wretched program in BRYC.

[FCV-Dad]

Just wait until the FCV partnership is announced. Won’t happen until the season is over. All of the FCV coaches will take over on the girls side. Bryc will finally see some success on the field.

[FCV-Dad]

In case anyone is wondering. TT will be the head of the girls program. Here’s a link to his credentials. You can’t have success without sacrifice.

https://justwomenssports.com/another-washington-spirit-coach-reportedly-left-for-inappropriate-conduct/

[soccerNOVA]

ID session dates and the girls coaching slate were announced today.

https://forms.gle/Z5TYcYebvtGcW8PPA

[NVA-Soccer]

soccerNOVA wrote:ID session dates and the girls coaching slate were announced today.

https://forms.gle/Z5TYcYebvtGcW8PPA

New names on the slate, how has the partnership been received with VYS parents

[Pinksoccerball]

NVA-Soccer wrote:

soccerNOVA wrote:ID session dates and the girls coaching slate were announced today.

https://forms.gle/Z5TYcYebvtGcW8PPA

New names on the slate, how has the partnership been received with VYS parents

Also curious to see as most of the commentary seems to be from bryc families. Found the coaching slate on their Facebook page and was curious to what club they were part of prior to BRAVE. I may be wrong but thought MV was at VYS. Others not familiar with.

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Pinksoccerball wrote:

NVA-Soccer wrote:

soccerNOVA wrote:ID session dates and the girls coaching slate were announced today.

https://forms.gle/Z5TYcYebvtGcW8PPA

New names on the slate, how has the partnership been received with VYS parents

Also curious to see as most of the commentary seems to be from bryc families. Found the coaching slate on their Facebook page and was curious to what club they were part of prior to BRAVE. I may be wrong but thought MV was at VYS. Others not familiar with.

Looks like MV and LO are from VYS and of course TM and GM are from BRYC.

[Novafam]

Looking at VYS, does anyone know if it will keep a team with Pre-ECNL as the "red" team? wont that comprise mostly of current "black" players? would they still compete at that level?

[SoccerWatcher]

VYS plans to keep all of their current teams. After BRAVE they will have the Phoenix/Eagles teams for girls and boys playing ECNL-R which is what they are currently doing and then Black, White etc playing in NCSL. For the U9 and U10 age groups they will still have red teams. My guess is only a few players will be moving onto the BRAVE teams and they are assuming that all of the players not making BRAVE will stay with VYS. I am sure there are some players who won't make BRAVE but will think they should have and will look around at other clubs. Not sure if players not making BRAVE are going to be getting onto other ECNL teams. I guess players may consider a lateral move to another non-ECNL team?

[NovaAttackingMid]

SoccerWatcher wrote:VYS plans to keep all of their current teams. After BRAVE they will have the Phoenix/Eagles teams for girls and boys playing ECNL-R which is what they are currently doing and then Black, White etc playing in NCSL. For the U9 and U10 age groups they will still have red teams. My guess is only a few players will be moving onto the BRAVE teams and they are assuming that all of the players not making BRAVE will stay with VYS. I am sure there are some players who won't make BRAVE but will think they should have and will look around at other clubs. Not sure if players not making BRAVE are going to be getting onto other ECNL teams. I guess players may consider a lateral move to another non-ECNL team?

I think you might be making a broad, and perhaps, incorrect assumption in it being a "lateral" move for VYS kids (particularly rising U13) to go to another ECNL (or MLS Next Team). BRYC does not have a team to field at the current U12 level, so they will be dependent on VYS for building that age group. That was a large motivating factor behind this merger. Those VYS kids are actively looking elsewhere. Have seen them at tryouts. Considering you're taking half of less of an ECNL-R team, another club would not be a lateral move - it would be much more competitive and exposure to an established, successful system. Bottom line - buckle up for a rough initial season or two.