Brave new world: BRYC and VYS partnership is on

[SoccerD]

Thanks for that YellaCard. Interesting stuff on both fronts. Boys seem substantially better than girls at BRYC. Mid-Atlantic looks tough overall.

Poked around and found this too on a website regarding the implications of having a single-owner LLC (even if BRYC Elite is for-profit, which I can't tell).
https://www.mtfn.com/choice-of-entity-considerations-for-501c3-organizations-more-than-meets-the-eye/
Seems to indicate that the 501(c)(3) status dictates.
BRYC website and by-laws don't appear to establish any specific rules for "BRYC Elite." Having a hard time seeing how board approval isn't required for this partnership/merger of ECNL BRYC and VYS.

The thing that gets me too and seems to be generating the most angst among the parents I'm hearing from is, why the cloak and dagger; why the back door approach through ECNL girls only? Those facts aren't being refuted (again, why I posted initially). Does someone know otherwise? That is what I'm hearing and getting from PMs people are sending me. Folks should feel free to speak up publicly. I hate backroom deals and failure to follow process/protocol/by-laws. This could be your child at BRYC. Don't just tell folks "it's good for you, drink up." Paying customers deserve better. Why not disclose in advance and follow the right process and get buy-in? I'm hardly stirring the pot. The pot seems stirred form all I'm hearing.

[NotMessi]

While league placement in ECNL shows that BRYC boys are doing better than the girls within the ECNL leagues, it’s important to point out that that doesn’t mean the BRYC boys program is stronger than its girls program. They appear to be roughly equal when looking at Youth Soccer Rankings, and the disparity in league results is merely due to the fact that nearly all of the top girls’ programs play ECNL, while on the boys side a number of the top programs play in MLS Next.

Here are the Youth Soccer Rankings for BRYC girls vs. boys, including the 2010s as that would be the first year the BRYC/Vienna partnership takes place:
Year Boys Girls
2010 25th 20th
2009 29th 40th
2008 14th 17th
2007 8th 18th
2006 16th 6th
2005 22nd 9th
03/04 5th 5th

Here are BRYC Boys vs. VYS Boys
Year BRYC VYS
2010 25th 9th
2009 29th 15th
2008 14th 17th
2007 8th 44th
2006 16th 49th
2005 22nd 24th
03/04 5th 35th

Perhaps not too much immediate help from VYS in some of the older years, but the VYS pipeline is strong if you look at the younger age groups -- there would be immediate help from 2010-2008, not including others from outside clubs that might come due to the new partnership.

Here are BRYC Girls vs. VYS Girls
Year BRYC VYS
2010 20th 3rd
2009 40th 9th
2008 17th 9th
2007 18th 25th
2006 6th 12th
2005 9th 19th
03/04 5th 9th

Obviously VYS brings a lot to the table here and you can again see the strong pipeline by looking at the younger age groups.

Overall this partnership makes a lot of sense as the clubs are geographically contiguous, BRYC needs/wants a larger player pool to supports its ECNL players, and VYS needs/wants the ECNL pathway for its top players. Most of the combined BRYC/VYS ECNL teams will be significantly stronger overnight than the existing BRYC teams (look what SYC did for the McLean 2008 girls), as VYS’ top players feed in masse into the BRYC/VYS entity.

[SoccerD]

Also an informative post. Are you a Vienna person?

Someone earlier noted the BRYC Bridge teams are travel teams that dilute the younger BRYC Elite travel teams. That would make the VYS vs. BRYC rankings at 2010 and 2009, for example, unreliable. Assume this is true for both genders. Not sure why there is travel and travel lite at BRYC.

Was told VYS Boys in ECNL regional reportedly has performed poorly compared to other clubs BRYC Boys ECNL could affiliate with. Did not pull that up but assume it's verifiable.

And still having trouble seeing the value for the BRYC boys side in merging for ECNL purposes.

[Mannschaft]

SoccerD wrote:I've seen emails and letters about this as rumors are flying like wildfire. Here's what I've recently learned. A friend I know has kids in the program and knows kids on both BRYC boys and girls sides.

Seems like BRYC treachery at an all-time high with Soccer Commissioner Dolansky. This is ENTIRELY a move to save bottom-of-the-barrel girls ECNL. They are on probation. The boys program is in good standing and VYS boys is bottom of ECNL-R. It's a joke. Dolansky has gone to ECNL girls and posed the merger -- and it is a merger at the ECNL level. They are creating a new corporation and BRYC ECNL will be gone and called BRAVE (Braddock Road and Vienna ECNL). VYS has already told its membership too. As if this is a done deal. The title of the thread says so, right?

The problem? BRYC's board is illegitimate. They have not had an election since 2019. They are not fully formed even if you ignore the expired terms. And, obviously, they have not gotten approval of the Board, illegitimate or not. The first word any of the paying members got of the secret maneuverings from Dolansky and 2 board members was yesterday. The BRYC Boys TD told Dolansky that VYS is not a good club to partner with/merge with at the ECNL level. Affiliations were preferred. VYS doesn't have the talent and they don't have a surplus of fields. So what are they bringing on the boys side? Nothing.

So without a Board vote, member disclosure (much less, buy-in), and without a Board at all as they're all past term and operating without quorums, Dolansky hatches a plan anyway for both BRYC ECNL boys and girls. It was not needed or wanted on the boys side. They are run separately, as is ECNL. The notion that somehow the Boys program needs VYS is such a joke. How someone could completely disregard BRYC ECNL leadership and basically tell them to shut up and take it, and expect that the staff and the talent would be okay is beyond me. It's insane.

So make no mistake, it's a merger. BRYC ECNL Boys and Girls would be no more. Ethics don't matter. Board by-laws apparently don't matter. I'm guessing COVID will be the excuse. Which also is a crock. This is a dirty deal without any disclosure, support, or sanity. Period. If the talent and staff leave, what makes folks think the license stays?

I hope ECNL sees through this. Apparently, they've been told. You have to feel bad for BRYC ECNL boys families, in particular. Talk about lighting your multi-year investment on fire. The disinformation on this board acting like "all is well" is laughable.

I’m interested in this take. How is getting some new talent a bad thing for existing BRYC coaches and players. The VYS boys may not be lighting the world on fire, but there are some very talented players, especially at uLittle. I have seen the 2012s play futsal at TSJ, and they were very good.

On the girls’ side, the combined top team should be very strong.

[soccerVA]

Arch wrote:I thought the BRYC rec program (.org) was the nonprofit but the BRYC academy (.com) wasn't necessarily a nonprofit. Academy is "BRYC" in name only; the rec program is part of BRYC nonprofit proper, correct? The ECNL and NCSL access the "BRYC" name has is through the .com. Why would there be any board approval necessary for the for-profit side to run their business?

IMO, this move is also looking ahead because while, performance-wise, BRYC may be on notice by ECNL (no idea if that's true or not), there aren't enough players in the 2011 pool to field a team in BRYC partly because there are three bridge teams cannibalizing the 2011 players. This move ensures they will have enough to roster a 2011 team in ECNL when they become age-eligible because they can fill-out the roster with VYS players as well as of course any players from other clubs that wish to try out.

Regarding your obsession with the boys, if BRYC coaches are going to head up the ECNL team they don't have to pick any VYS players if they don't think they're good enough. Just as they don't have to pick any of the BRYC pool players either. There are no player quotas required from BRYC or VYS for the BRAVE rosters.

Also, for the boys, the TD was just hired as an assistant by GMU. Maybe he is going to be moving on anyway.

One clarification on the 2011 Girls - the 3 bridge teams aren't what caused the collapse of the 2011 Girls Elite team. There was a 2011 Girls Elite team, but most of the strongest players left for other clubs (not to the bridge teams). One of the bridge teams is fairly strong (D1 NCSL) but most of the players on the other 2 bridge teams are not at the level of pre-ENCL. My understanding is that the Vienna 2011 Girls pre-ENCL team isn't particularly strong either. So, there will be a gap to fill -- BRAVE is going to have to convince strong players from other clubs to make a move (either clubs that don't have an ENCL team or strong clubs where talented players would be on the second team).

[SoccerD]

Mannschaft wrote:

SoccerD wrote:I've seen emails and letters about this as rumors are flying like wildfire. Here's what I've recently learned. A friend I know has kids in the program and knows kids on both BRYC boys and girls sides.

Seems like BRYC treachery at an all-time high with Soccer Commissioner Dolansky. This is ENTIRELY a move to save bottom-of-the-barrel girls ECNL. They are on probation. The boys program is in good standing and VYS boys is bottom of ECNL-R. It's a joke. Dolansky has gone to ECNL girls and posed the merger -- and it is a merger at the ECNL level. They are creating a new corporation and BRYC ECNL will be gone and called BRAVE (Braddock Road and Vienna ECNL). VYS has already told its membership too. As if this is a done deal. The title of the thread says so, right?

The problem? BRYC's board is illegitimate. They have not had an election since 2019. They are not fully formed even if you ignore the expired terms. And, obviously, they have not gotten approval of the Board, illegitimate or not. The first word any of the paying members got of the secret maneuverings from Dolansky and 2 board members was yesterday. The BRYC Boys TD told Dolansky that VYS is not a good club to partner with/merge with at the ECNL level. Affiliations were preferred. VYS doesn't have the talent and they don't have a surplus of fields. So what are they bringing on the boys side? Nothing.

So without a Board vote, member disclosure (much less, buy-in), and without a Board at all as they're all past term and operating without quorums, Dolansky hatches a plan anyway for both BRYC ECNL boys and girls. It was not needed or wanted on the boys side. They are run separately, as is ECNL. The notion that somehow the Boys program needs VYS is such a joke. How someone could completely disregard BRYC ECNL leadership and basically tell them to shut up and take it, and expect that the staff and the talent would be okay is beyond me. It's insane.

So make no mistake, it's a merger. BRYC ECNL Boys and Girls would be no more. Ethics don't matter. Board by-laws apparently don't matter. I'm guessing COVID will be the excuse. Which also is a crock. This is a dirty deal without any disclosure, support, or sanity. Period. If the talent and staff leave, what makes folks think the license stays?

I hope ECNL sees through this. Apparently, they've been told. You have to feel bad for BRYC ECNL boys families, in particular. Talk about lighting your multi-year investment on fire. The disinformation on this board acting like "all is well" is laughable.

I’m interested in this take. How is getting some new talent a bad thing for existing BRYC coaches and players. The VYS boys may not be lighting the world on fire, but there are some very talented players, especially at uLittle. I have seen the 2012s play futsal at TSJ, and they were very good.

On the girls’ side, the combined top team should be very strong.

I'll take a crack at it. Why merge ECNL? Why change the name and the brand? Why not affiliate with VYS or Great Falls or others? And why VYS for boys? Saying there was a good futsal crew won't hold water for the whole club. Geographically I can see the attraction. But no one was seeking a merger at ECNL for Boys and suddenly, it's done. Does anyone know if they've shared other details. For my family, if my club was merging at any level, that would mean practices in multiple places rather than one. Isn't that what SYC and McLean have done? How has that worked out?

It certainly is true that the best players will play (or should). Got to believe that.

What about the possibility of losing the TD and ECNL Director, who have been emasculated (at the risk of using the wrong word)? Seems like getting their buy-in would have been critical. So you add some good players but maybe not the best, in adding VYS boys, and you lose the staff? Presumably, you lose players as a result (some say, not the stars?). Who coaches? What is their vision? VYS takes over? Does ECNL pull the license as a result?

I'm spinning here. But those were my first thoughts to your question.

[soccer_dc]

VYS does tend to have good girls teams at the young ages. Which clubs have their top players typically moved to as they get older (presumably because there was no pathway to ECNL)? Assuming it was to other non-BRYC clubs (VDA, McLean) I’m wondering what in this partnership would make VYS girls want to go to BRYC if they weren’t doing that before?

[dnl8675309]

SoccerD wrote:

Mannschaft wrote:

SoccerD wrote:I've seen emails and letters about this as rumors are flying like wildfire. Here's what I've recently learned. A friend I know has kids in the program and knows kids on both BRYC boys and girls sides.

Seems like BRYC treachery at an all-time high with Soccer Commissioner Dolansky. This is ENTIRELY a move to save bottom-of-the-barrel girls ECNL. They are on probation. The boys program is in good standing and VYS boys is bottom of ECNL-R. It's a joke. Dolansky has gone to ECNL girls and posed the merger -- and it is a merger at the ECNL level. They are creating a new corporation and BRYC ECNL will be gone and called BRAVE (Braddock Road and Vienna ECNL). VYS has already told its membership too. As if this is a done deal. The title of the thread says so, right?

The problem? BRYC's board is illegitimate. They have not had an election since 2019. They are not fully formed even if you ignore the expired terms. And, obviously, they have not gotten approval of the Board, illegitimate or not. The first word any of the paying members got of the secret maneuverings from Dolansky and 2 board members was yesterday. The BRYC Boys TD told Dolansky that VYS is not a good club to partner with/merge with at the ECNL level. Affiliations were preferred. VYS doesn't have the talent and they don't have a surplus of fields. So what are they bringing on the boys side? Nothing.

So without a Board vote, member disclosure (much less, buy-in), and without a Board at all as they're all past term and operating without quorums, Dolansky hatches a plan anyway for both BRYC ECNL boys and girls. It was not needed or wanted on the boys side. They are run separately, as is ECNL. The notion that somehow the Boys program needs VYS is such a joke. How someone could completely disregard BRYC ECNL leadership and basically tell them to shut up and take it, and expect that the staff and the talent would be okay is beyond me. It's insane.

So make no mistake, it's a merger. BRYC ECNL Boys and Girls would be no more. Ethics don't matter. Board by-laws apparently don't matter. I'm guessing COVID will be the excuse. Which also is a crock. This is a dirty deal without any disclosure, support, or sanity. Period. If the talent and staff leave, what makes folks think the license stays?

I hope ECNL sees through this. Apparently, they've been told. You have to feel bad for BRYC ECNL boys families, in particular. Talk about lighting your multi-year investment on fire. The disinformation on this board acting like "all is well" is laughable.

I’m interested in this take. How is getting some new talent a bad thing for existing BRYC coaches and players. The VYS boys may not be lighting the world on fire, but there are some very talented players, especially at uLittle. I have seen the 2012s play futsal at TSJ, and they were very good.

On the girls’ side, the combined top team should be very strong.

I'll take a crack at it. Why merge ECNL? Why change the name and the brand? Why not affiliate with VYS or Great Falls or others? And why VYS for boys? Saying there was a good futsal crew won't hold water for the whole club. Geographically I can see the attraction. But no one was seeking a merger at ECNL for Boys and suddenly, it's done. Does anyone know if they've shared other details. For my family, if my club was merging at any level, that would mean practices in multiple places rather than one. Isn't that what SYC and McLean have done? How has that worked out?

It certainly is true that the best players will play (or should). Got to believe that.

What about the possibility of losing the TD and ECNL Director, who have been emasculated (at the risk of using the wrong word)? Seems like getting their buy-in would have been critical. So you add some good players but maybe not the best, in adding VYS boys, and you lose the staff? Presumably, you lose players as a result (some say, not the stars?). Who coaches? What is their vision? VYS takes over? Does ECNL pull the license as a result?

I'm spinning here. But those were my first thoughts to your question.

Not a shit stirrer? Your lead sentence starts with "treachery" and continues downhill from there. Move on. This is not your club, not your circus. Get over it. The boys will continue to be competitive, the girls will get stronger. The boys coaches are truly professionals, smart and well liked - and it's up to them how they want to proceed. It's not your concern. I am a parent, I am a paying member and I couldn't be happier with this idea. I've had two kids at BRYC over the years - boy and girl. Supporting expanding access to talent is the only way to compete against club who have ALREADY successfully practiced a similar model. The entire program will benefit in the long run. Stay out of it. Go find your own circus to shit stir in.

[soccerNOVA]

SoccerD wrote:

Mannschaft wrote:

SoccerD wrote:I've seen emails and letters about this as rumors are flying like wildfire. Here's what I've recently learned. A friend I know has kids in the program and knows kids on both BRYC boys and girls sides.

Seems like BRYC treachery at an all-time high with Soccer Commissioner Dolansky. This is ENTIRELY a move to save bottom-of-the-barrel girls ECNL. They are on probation. The boys program is in good standing and VYS boys is bottom of ECNL-R. It's a joke. Dolansky has gone to ECNL girls and posed the merger -- and it is a merger at the ECNL level. They are creating a new corporation and BRYC ECNL will be gone and called BRAVE (Braddock Road and Vienna ECNL). VYS has already told its membership too. As if this is a done deal. The title of the thread says so, right?

The problem? BRYC's board is illegitimate. They have not had an election since 2019. They are not fully formed even if you ignore the expired terms. And, obviously, they have not gotten approval of the Board, illegitimate or not. The first word any of the paying members got of the secret maneuverings from Dolansky and 2 board members was yesterday. The BRYC Boys TD told Dolansky that VYS is not a good club to partner with/merge with at the ECNL level. Affiliations were preferred. VYS doesn't have the talent and they don't have a surplus of fields. So what are they bringing on the boys side? Nothing.

So without a Board vote, member disclosure (much less, buy-in), and without a Board at all as they're all past term and operating without quorums, Dolansky hatches a plan anyway for both BRYC ECNL boys and girls. It was not needed or wanted on the boys side. They are run separately, as is ECNL. The notion that somehow the Boys program needs VYS is such a joke. How someone could completely disregard BRYC ECNL leadership and basically tell them to shut up and take it, and expect that the staff and the talent would be okay is beyond me. It's insane.

So make no mistake, it's a merger. BRYC ECNL Boys and Girls would be no more. Ethics don't matter. Board by-laws apparently don't matter. I'm guessing COVID will be the excuse. Which also is a crock. This is a dirty deal without any disclosure, support, or sanity. Period. If the talent and staff leave, what makes folks think the license stays?

I hope ECNL sees through this. Apparently, they've been told. You have to feel bad for BRYC ECNL boys families, in particular. Talk about lighting your multi-year investment on fire. The disinformation on this board acting like "all is well" is laughable.

I’m interested in this take. How is getting some new talent a bad thing for existing BRYC coaches and players. The VYS boys may not be lighting the world on fire, but there are some very talented players, especially at uLittle. I have seen the 2012s play futsal at TSJ, and they were very good.

On the girls’ side, the combined top team should be very strong.

I'll take a crack at it. Why merge ECNL? Why change the name and the brand? Why not affiliate with VYS or Great Falls or others? And why VYS for boys? Saying there was a good futsal crew won't hold water for the whole club. Geographically I can see the attraction. But no one was seeking a merger at ECNL for Boys and suddenly, it's done. Does anyone know if they've shared other details. For my family, if my club was merging at any level, that would mean practices in multiple places rather than one. Isn't that what SYC and McLean have done? How has that worked out?

It certainly is true that the best players will play (or should). Got to believe that.

What about the possibility of losing the TD and ECNL Director, who have been emasculated (at the risk of using the wrong word)? Seems like getting their buy-in would have been critical. So you add some good players but maybe not the best, in adding VYS boys, and you lose the staff? Presumably, you lose players as a result (some say, not the stars?). Who coaches? What is their vision? VYS takes over? Does ECNL pull the license as a result?

I'm spinning here. But those were my first thoughts to your question.

It's pretty common knowledge that BRYC's ECNL charter has been in jeopardy and they have been looking for ways to strengthen their program for a few years now. Unfortunately, its been a bit of a sinking ship, so its not surprising that no one signed on as an affiliate and its not surprising that their younger teams are getting worse as current members bail on the program earlier and earlier. That's what happens at non-ecnl clubs too.

The geography is right with VYS though, and if this means BRYC/Fairfax gets to keep their ECNL charter then I don't understand why people would be upset by this. I agree that transparency is always better, but were McLean and SYC transparent about their merger? That is just not the way that it works.

The notice says that best players are going to make the teams and it doesn't sounds like anyone is disputing that. Some kids will be left out. That sucks. But this is supposed to be the best league in the country. It's going to happen. And it sounds like at VYS and BRYC those kids will still have a spot to play.

To answer your question on how VA Union is working out, I think the answer is not bad. Most girls come from Mclean, and after plenty of concern initially, it turned out that just about all the practices are in McLean. Boys have mixed less, but we'll see what happens. If Fairfax runs the same, then those teams will end up with a lot of BRYC kids and should play closer to BRYC more often. That would make sense and I hope that it works out that way. Worst case BRYC and VYS have some fields that are really close together, so it shouldn't be as big a lift as the McLean and SYC dilemma.

I'd like to see some of those questions answered on coaching staff, practice locations and a number of other things. If this really happens and that is all put together along with an official announcement, then congrats to those clubs for working something out. Maybe the new club will even be able to get some additional affiliates if its perceived to be stronger.

[Swaggalicious]

I don’t understand that issue here. To me it looks like the Union partnership or merger. Bringing together player pools to make both the girls and boys sides more competitive. Did these clubs get buy-in before creating Union? No. Isn’t everyone always posting about dilution? Doesn’t this help?

I don’t see treachery here or understand why bryc’s board and how they interface with the board is an issue. The board can always vote no, if a vote is even needed. More like a club struggling and making moves to improve the root issue.

After a closer read, I think SoccerD has some axe to grind with the bryc TD. Treachery, board is illegitimate, people are PM him about this, emasculated, hate backroom deals and failure to follow process/protocol/by-laws. These words and pov doesn’t come from an outside observer. If you’re upset, why don’t you just talk to Dolansky vs. posting here?

[SoccerD]

dnl8675309 wrote:

SoccerD wrote:

Mannschaft wrote:

SoccerD wrote:I've seen emails and letters about this as rumors are flying like wildfire. Here's what I've recently learned. A friend I know has kids in the program and knows kids on both BRYC boys and girls sides.

Seems like BRYC treachery at an all-time high with Soccer Commissioner Dolansky. This is ENTIRELY a move to save bottom-of-the-barrel girls ECNL. They are on probation. The boys program is in good standing and VYS boys is bottom of ECNL-R. It's a joke. Dolansky has gone to ECNL girls and posed the merger -- and it is a merger at the ECNL level. They are creating a new corporation and BRYC ECNL will be gone and called BRAVE (Braddock Road and Vienna ECNL). VYS has already told its membership too. As if this is a done deal. The title of the thread says so, right?

The problem? BRYC's board is illegitimate. They have not had an election since 2019. They are not fully formed even if you ignore the expired terms. And, obviously, they have not gotten approval of the Board, illegitimate or not. The first word any of the paying members got of the secret maneuverings from Dolansky and 2 board members was yesterday. The BRYC Boys TD told Dolansky that VYS is not a good club to partner with/merge with at the ECNL level. Affiliations were preferred. VYS doesn't have the talent and they don't have a surplus of fields. So what are they bringing on the boys side? Nothing.

So without a Board vote, member disclosure (much less, buy-in), and without a Board at all as they're all past term and operating without quorums, Dolansky hatches a plan anyway for both BRYC ECNL boys and girls. It was not needed or wanted on the boys side. They are run separately, as is ECNL. The notion that somehow the Boys program needs VYS is such a joke. How someone could completely disregard BRYC ECNL leadership and basically tell them to shut up and take it, and expect that the staff and the talent would be okay is beyond me. It's insane.

So make no mistake, it's a merger. BRYC ECNL Boys and Girls would be no more. Ethics don't matter. Board by-laws apparently don't matter. I'm guessing COVID will be the excuse. Which also is a crock. This is a dirty deal without any disclosure, support, or sanity. Period. If the talent and staff leave, what makes folks think the license stays?

I hope ECNL sees through this. Apparently, they've been told. You have to feel bad for BRYC ECNL boys families, in particular. Talk about lighting your multi-year investment on fire. The disinformation on this board acting like "all is well" is laughable.

I’m interested in this take. How is getting some new talent a bad thing for existing BRYC coaches and players. The VYS boys may not be lighting the world on fire, but there are some very talented players, especially at uLittle. I have seen the 2012s play futsal at TSJ, and they were very good.

On the girls’ side, the combined top team should be very strong.

I'll take a crack at it. Why merge ECNL? Why change the name and the brand? Why not affiliate with VYS or Great Falls or others? And why VYS for boys? Saying there was a good futsal crew won't hold water for the whole club. Geographically I can see the attraction. But no one was seeking a merger at ECNL for Boys and suddenly, it's done. Does anyone know if they've shared other details. For my family, if my club was merging at any level, that would mean practices in multiple places rather than one. Isn't that what SYC and McLean have done? How has that worked out?

It certainly is true that the best players will play (or should). Got to believe that.

What about the possibility of losing the TD and ECNL Director, who have been emasculated (at the risk of using the wrong word)? Seems like getting their buy-in would have been critical. So you add some good players but maybe not the best, in adding VYS boys, and you lose the staff? Presumably, you lose players as a result (some say, not the stars?). Who coaches? What is their vision? VYS takes over? Does ECNL pull the license as a result?

I'm spinning here. But those were my first thoughts to your question.

Not a shit stirrer? Your lead sentence starts with "treachery" and continues downhill from there. Move on. This is not your club, not your circus. Get over it. The boys will continue to be competitive, the girls will get stronger. The boys coaches are truly professionals, smart and well liked - and it's up to them how they want to proceed. It's not your concern. I am a parent, I am a paying member and I couldn't be happier with this idea. I've had two kids at BRYC over the years - boy and girl. Supporting expanding access to talent is the only way to compete against club who have ALREADY successfully practiced a similar model. The entire program will benefit in the long run. Stay out of it. Go find your own circus to shit stir in.

As I understand what I've read and been told, this was done dirty/secretly. Treachery is the right word. Do you dispute the facts? All I see is name calling.
A few board members didn't go through ECNL Girls only?
There wasn't a disregard and dismissal of the TD/DOC's preference and plan for affiliations - which would also expand access to talent?
The Board is legitimate?
The Board has voted or is informed?
There is no need to get Board approval (that has been intimated here, which would be important to know)?
They did inform the club members and socialize the plan ahead of time?

I am glad to hear you have had 2 kids in the program. Perhaps other programs too? It's an all sports board. Do you want to have the Board operating properly with your fees? My home board is perhaps overly transparent but the travel soccer arm not so much so. No one has it perfect. But the true professionals don't appear to be on board with this. I am happy to see some healthy discussion on this. Name calling aside.

[NotMessi]

soccer_dc wrote:VYS does tend to have good girls teams at the young ages. Which clubs have their top players typically moved to as they get older (presumably because there was no pathway to ECNL)? Assuming it was to other non-BRYC clubs (VDA, McLean) I’m wondering what in this partnership would make VYS girls want to go to BRYC if they weren’t doing that before?

I can respond to the second question. There are a number of high performers in Vienna that stay in Vienna because they like their teammates and are loyal to the club. They wouldn't organize a team or partial-team departure due to that loyalty, but they'd be happy to go as a group to join an ECNL team nearby with Vienna's encouragement/blessing.

Players currently trickle out of Vienna, but they aren't likely to trickle over to BRYC these days due to the club's struggles on the field, so I don't see BRYC getting many Vienna players without the partnership. With the partnership, Vienna's top players will come (and other non-Vienna, non-BRYC players will come to).

[SoccerD]

Swaggalicious wrote:I don’t understand that issue here. To me it looks like the Union partnership or merger. Bringing together player pools to make both the girls and boys sides more competitive. Did these clubs get buy-in before creating Union? No. Isn’t everyone always posting about dilution? Doesn’t this help?

I don’t see treachery here or understand why bryc’s board and how they interface with the board is an issue. The board can always vote no, if a vote is even needed. More like a club struggling and making moves to improve the root issue.

After a closer read, I think SoccerD has some axe to grind with the bryc TD. Treachery, board is illegitimate, people are PM him about this, emasculated, hate backroom deals and failure to follow process/protocol/by-laws. These words and pov doesn’t come from an outside observer. If you’re upset, why don’t you just talk to Dolansky vs. posting here?

No axe to grind with the TD. Brian Welsh seems like a very qualified TD.

I don't know Dolansky either, and it's not my role, obviously, to talk to him. The PMs I got were following my post. Folks should talk openly, IMO, if they have something to share. Obviously, people can disagree with my take and what I've been told. And they have. It's been an interesting dialogue from my perspective.

[Swaggalicious]

SoccerD wrote:

Swaggalicious wrote:I don’t understand that issue here. To me it looks like the Union partnership or merger. Bringing together player pools to make both the girls and boys sides more competitive. Did these clubs get buy-in before creating Union? No. Isn’t everyone always posting about dilution? Doesn’t this help?

I don’t see treachery here or understand why bryc’s board and how they interface with the board is an issue. The board can always vote no, if a vote is even needed. More like a club struggling and making moves to improve the root issue.

After a closer read, I think SoccerD has some axe to grind with the bryc TD. Treachery, board is illegitimate, people are PM him about this, emasculated, hate backroom deals and failure to follow process/protocol/by-laws. These words and pov doesn’t come from an outside observer. If you’re upset, why don’t you just talk to Dolansky vs. posting here?

No axe to grind with the TD. I don't know Dolansky and it's not my role, obviously, to talk to him. The PMs I got were following my post. Folks should talk openly, IMO, if they have something to share. Obviously, people can disagree with my take and what I've been told. And they have. It's been an interesting dialogue from my perspective.

I appreciate the dialogue. I’m interested but not directly impacted. I just found it hard to believe that someone outside of bryc and doesn’t know the TD has such strong opinions of this person and how he’s communicating with his board. Just pointing out my point of view.

[SoccerD]

Swaggalicious wrote:

SoccerD wrote:

Swaggalicious wrote:I don’t understand that issue here. To me it looks like the Union partnership or merger. Bringing together player pools to make both the girls and boys sides more competitive. Did these clubs get buy-in before creating Union? No. Isn’t everyone always posting about dilution? Doesn’t this help?

I don’t see treachery here or understand why bryc’s board and how they interface with the board is an issue. The board can always vote no, if a vote is even needed. More like a club struggling and making moves to improve the root issue.

After a closer read, I think SoccerD has some axe to grind with the bryc TD. Treachery, board is illegitimate, people are PM him about this, emasculated, hate backroom deals and failure to follow process/protocol/by-laws. These words and pov doesn’t come from an outside observer. If you’re upset, why don’t you just talk to Dolansky vs. posting here?

No axe to grind with the TD. I don't know Dolansky and it's not my role, obviously, to talk to him. The PMs I got were following my post. Folks should talk openly, IMO, if they have something to share. Obviously, people can disagree with my take and what I've been told. And they have. It's been an interesting dialogue from my perspective.

I appreciate the dialogue. I’m interested but not directly impacted. I just found it hard to believe that someone outside of bryc and doesn’t know the TD has such strong opinions of this person and how he’s communicating with his board. Just pointing out my point of view.

Got it. I believe the TD is Brian Welsh.
Mark Dolansky is the Travel Soccer Sports Commissioner acc. to the website. And I truly don't know him beyond the facts relayed, which are troubling to a lot of folks. I'm now hearing there is a petition in protest. What a mess.