Someone posted 50 percent of HS Seniors have a 4.0?!

[Anonymous]

Lawd. School has so darn little to do with education.

1. Agree with poster on page 1 re: open-book tests. Recall is a terrible measure of learning.
2. That it's a zero-sum game is such a tell. Learning is better when it's collaborative and cooperative. The game sucks.
3. As far as standardized tests go, SATs correlate more closely with zip codes than anything else.

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It’s because they’re cheating.

My class has scores 20% above what they were before COVID. I thought the cheating would get better when we returned but the kids are still using their group chats. I’m not allowed to take their phones away and the administration doesn’t back me up when I catch them cheating.

- Teacher

This is so unfair to kids who don’t cheat. My son has a difficult science class first period and kids are take screenshots or pictures of the exam during the test. Then they are sharing them with kids who have the class later in the day. My son has been pressured to do the same but refuses. He lost a friend over it who wanted him to get the test question and his friend who give him the math questions since that kid had math earlier in the day. How are teachers not realizing the class average is increasing as the day progresses?

Easy solution - grade on a curve. IF they help others cheat, they're only hurting their own grade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At our high schooler's end-of-year awards ceremony, the principle asked the students with 4.0 to stand up and everyone stood up. Literally, every student stood up. My spouse and I laughed, and some people looked at us. My spouse said, "well hello, grade inflation!" When we were in high school, you might see three students stand up, not the entire auditorium.

It's because a 4.0 today is like a 3.0 from when you were. a kid. They just altered the scale. Same thing when they changed the SATs back in the 90s.

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Anonymous wrote:I taught community college (political science) for eight years pre-covid. Plagiarism was rampant among a certain percentage of students. Prob 30%-40%. Maybe more now.

Some of these students lacked direction or motivation. (They should not have been in college at all but their parents pressured them.) Others didn't receive the education they deserved in high school and just panicked. I had students who graduated HS with straight As who could not write a complete sentence.

Grade inflation is very, very real. And it does nothing but harm kids.

plagiarism as in taking a thesis from a journal article or other publication and rewording it (lots of synonyms) and reordering it to be your thesis?

my kids complain that a lot of their private school peers do this when creating thesis for history or literature papers.

How many high schoolers do you imagine actually have unique theses? Unless privates have changed a whole lot, they are reading canonical literature and studying major world events. Virtually any angle that you could approach any subject in either area has already been taken.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
It’s because they’re cheating.

My class has scores 20% above what they were before COVID. I thought the cheating would get better when we returned but the kids are still using their group chats. I’m not allowed to take their phones away and the administration doesn’t back me up when I catch them cheating.

- Teacher

This is so unfair to kids who don’t cheat. My son has a difficult science class first period and kids are take screenshots or pictures of the exam during the test. Then they are sharing them with kids who have the class later in the day. My son has been pressured to do the same but refuses. He lost a friend over it who wanted him to get the test question and his friend who give him the math questions since that kid had math earlier in the day. How are teachers not realizing the class average is increasing as the day progresses?

Easy solution - grade on a curve. IF they help others cheat, they're only hurting their own grade.

Oh yeah, easy solution! Jeez, why didn't the people who do this for a living, every day, think of that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most have OVER a 4.0. AP classes are weighted higher. W-L had 260+ valedictorians last year (in a class of 500ish). Valedictorian being anything over a 4.0.

Sorry to burst the bubble of the cheater posters.

Now I know why my WL senior’s class rank is so low LOL (with 3.8 GPA). Still 3/3 on EA though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawd. School has so darn little to do with education.

1. Agree with poster on page 1 re: open-book tests. Recall is a terrible measure of learning.
2. That it's a zero-sum game is such a tell. Learning is better when it's collaborative and cooperative. The game sucks.
3. As far as standardized tests go, SATs correlate more closely with zip codes than anything else.

I’m not sure why people keep repeating this when all the evidence shows that it’s not true. There’s much more variance of standardized test scores in any SES decile than there is between the deciles.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there is some cheating, but my kid has to claw and fight for every "A" he gets and does not cheat--he has said that he catches other kids trying to look at his answers. He goes to a private school, if that matters-- although I think cheating happens everywhere.

He recently turned in a partner project where he did all the work and had to put his partner's name on the final result. I can verify that because he spent an entire weekend stressing/doing the whole thing. I told him "that's life-- you'll have all kinds of people who won't pull their weight, and you just need to learn who they and deal with it."

There is a lot of pressure placed on kids now-- I can imagine why they feel they must resort to cheating.

Group projects always have different levels of contribution to the final project and that is life. I am sure teachers intentionally pair weaker students with stronger for many of these projects..i would do the same. It is a learning opportunity all the way around.

I have seen parent march up to the school and demand that their snowflake be placed with other strong students. Very short sighted approach IMO.

My kids are straight A kids. They are in the habit of doing their entire Group Project by themselves because they know that the other students will either not do their work or will do shoddy work. My kids don't care if underserving students in their group also get an A. They are focused on themselves. Many a times they will complete the project way ahead of time and email to the rest of the group and NO ONE ever gives any feedback on what needs to be improved etc.

In other words, your child doesn't know how to work with a group, which is the point of the project.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is there a metric that publicizes the AP test scores for each AP course vs the average class grade? I assume regional admission officers compare these numbers for applicants.

They don't see all the AP scores, and some schools no longer have APs, other have very few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation is a huge problem, even without the cheating. Without standardized tests, colleges have almost no idea how good (or not) an applicant really is. This makes the job of an Admissions Officer that much harder.

One exception is a kid like mine who works hard and long to get a low A in math and then scores 83 percentile for math. Kid can do well in class by busting tail yet not reflected in standardized test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is some cheating, but my kid has to claw and fight for every "A" he gets and does not cheat--he has said that he catches other kids trying to look at his answers. He goes to a private school, if that matters-- although I think cheating happens everywhere.

He recently turned in a partner project where he did all the work and had to put his partner's name on the final result. I can verify that because he spent an entire weekend stressing/doing the whole thing. I told him "that's life-- you'll have all kinds of people who won't pull their weight, and you just need to learn who they and deal with it."

There is a lot of pressure placed on kids now-- I can imagine why they feel they must resort to cheating.

Group projects always have different levels of contribution to the final project and that is life. I am sure teachers intentionally pair weaker students with stronger for many of these projects..i would do the same. It is a learning opportunity all the way around.

I have seen parent march up to the school and demand that their snowflake be placed with other strong students. Very short sighted approach IMO.

My kids are straight A kids. They are in the habit of doing their entire Group Project by themselves because they know that the other students will either not do their work or will do shoddy work. My kids don't care if underserving students in their group also get an A. They are focused on themselves. Many a times they will complete the project way ahead of time and email to the rest of the group and NO ONE ever gives any feedback on what needs to be improved etc.

In other words, your child doesn't know how to work with a group, which is the point of the project.

lol. child knows how to work...the group? sometimes and sometimes not....but the project always get completed either way.

[Anonymous]

SAT and Academic Success relates to the education level of the mother more than anything else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:SAT and Academic Success relates to the education level of the mother more than anything else.

huh? then why do kids with the same mother score so differently? That is not accurate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is some cheating, but my kid has to claw and fight for every "A" he gets and does not cheat--he has said that he catches other kids trying to look at his answers. He goes to a private school, if that matters-- although I think cheating happens everywhere.

He recently turned in a partner project where he did all the work and had to put his partner's name on the final result. I can verify that because he spent an entire weekend stressing/doing the whole thing. I told him "that's life-- you'll have all kinds of people who won't pull their weight, and you just need to learn who they and deal with it."

There is a lot of pressure placed on kids now-- I can imagine why they feel they must resort to cheating.

Group projects always have different levels of contribution to the final project and that is life. I am sure teachers intentionally pair weaker students with stronger for many of these projects..i would do the same. It is a learning opportunity all the way around.

I have seen parent march up to the school and demand that their snowflake be placed with other strong students. Very short sighted approach IMO.

My kids are straight A kids. They are in the habit of doing their entire Group Project by themselves because they know that the other students will either not do their work or will do shoddy work. My kids don't care if underserving students in their group also get an A. They are focused on themselves. Many a times they will complete the project way ahead of time and email to the rest of the group and NO ONE ever gives any feedback on what needs to be improved etc.

In other words, your child doesn't know how to work with a group, which is the point of the project.

No. My kid knows not to waste time. Most of the kids in his group are slackers who don't have a very bright future ahead of them. The group project is not going to be a transformative or life changing experience for the slackers. They are happy that they don't have to work and they think it is a win that they got an Easy A. The truth is that getting that A will not change their lives. They remain low achieving students. And to get an A because someone else worked for it probably is not a great feeling when they see it on their report card filled with Cs and Ds. Unfortunately, these are not kids who are good in anything else. Not only they are not good in studies, they are also not good in sports, painting, cooking, singing...nothing. It is like they have no interest and just wasting time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think there is some cheating, but my kid has to claw and fight for every "A" he gets and does not cheat--he has said that he catches other kids trying to look at his answers. He goes to a private school, if that matters-- although I think cheating happens everywhere.

He recently turned in a partner project where he did all the work and had to put his partner's name on the final result. I can verify that because he spent an entire weekend stressing/doing the whole thing. I told him "that's life-- you'll have all kinds of people who won't pull their weight, and you just need to learn who they and deal with it."

There is a lot of pressure placed on kids now-- I can imagine why they feel they must resort to cheating.

Group projects always have different levels of contribution to the final project and that is life. I am sure teachers intentionally pair weaker students with stronger for many of these projects..i would do the same. It is a learning opportunity all the way around.

I have seen parent march up to the school and demand that their snowflake be placed with other strong students. Very short sighted approach IMO.

My kids are straight A kids. They are in the habit of doing their entire Group Project by themselves because they know that the other students will either not do their work or will do shoddy work. My kids don't care if underserving students in their group also get an A. They are focused on themselves. Many a times they will complete the project way ahead of time and email to the rest of the group and NO ONE ever gives any feedback on what needs to be improved etc.

In other words, your child doesn't know how to work with a group, which is the point of the project.

No. My kid knows not to waste time. Most of the kids in his group are slackers who don't have a very bright future ahead of them. The group project is not going to be a transformative or life changing experience for the slackers. They are happy that they don't have to work and they think it is a win that they got an Easy A. The truth is that getting that A will not change their lives. They remain low achieving students. And to get an A because someone else worked for it probably is not a great feeling when they see it on their report card filled with Cs and Ds. Unfortunately, these are not kids who are good in anything else. Not only they are not good in studies, they are also not good in sports, painting, cooking, singing...nothing. It is like they have no interest and just wasting time.

you seem to know way too much about some random students in one of you DCs classes.