Bowser Announces Vaccine Mandate for DCPS and Charter Personnel and Student Athletes (over 12)

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're quoted in the Washington Post saying they oppose a vaccine mandate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-school-staff-child-care-covid-vaccine-mandate/2021/09/20/771e53cc-1a10-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html

No they aren't. Post the quote.

“work this out through bargaining immediately” = WTU will do what it can to hold up the mandate.

LOL. After that kind of twisting you can skip your yoga class today. Since you are unable to provide a quote, you are literally resorting to putting words in the Union's mouth.

like you’re not making your own favorable inferences? come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're quoted in the Washington Post saying they oppose a vaccine mandate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-school-staff-child-care-covid-vaccine-mandate/2021/09/20/771e53cc-1a10-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html

No they aren't. Post the quote.

“work this out through bargaining immediately” = WTU will do what it can to hold up the mandate.

LOL. After that kind of twisting you can skip your yoga class today. Since you are unable to provide a quote, you are literally resorting to putting words in the Union's mouth.

like you’re not making your own favorable inferences? come on.

he's mr. president king so his interpretation is facts

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:like you’re not making your own favorable inferences? come on.

What am I inferring? I think this quote speaks for itself:

“We would have hoped a vaccination mandate would be discussed with the WTU in advance, given that changes in working conditions are a mandatory subject of bargaining,” Lyons said in a statement. “We need to get clarity and work this out through bargaining immediately.”

If anyone has trouble understanding that, they should consult a dictionary. Other posters feel a need to interpret it. I don't.

[Anonymous]

So what does the WTU need to negotiate? How quickly the anti-vaxxers get fired? Whether they get a severance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So what does the WTU need to negotiate? How quickly the anti-vaxxers get fired? Whether they get a severance?

Probably yes to both

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what does the WTU need to negotiate? How quickly the anti-vaxxers get fired? Whether they get a severance?

Probably yes to both

I hope the answers are "quickly" and "absolutely not."

[Anonymous]

What are the grounds for the suit in NYC? Why would a teachers union go to court to block having vaccinated adults in schools to protect ineligible students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're quoted in the Washington Post saying they oppose a vaccine mandate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-school-staff-child-care-covid-vaccine-mandate/2021/09/20/771e53cc-1a10-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html

No they aren't. Post the quote.

Saying “we demand to bargain over this” means they want to extract concessions instead of just letting the mandate be imposed. They are throwing up barriers. And I won’t even get into the question of whether DC is obligated to bargain over the vaccine mandate in the first place. Over in NYC, UFT is in court *as we speak* trying to block the NYC vaccine mandate. Hoped that won’t happen here.

There are some procedural issues that could have been negotiated that aren't necessarily barriers -- for example, are teachers and other staff terminated on November 1 if they haven't provided proof of full vaccination? Or is it like NY where teachers who refuse vaccination can take unpaid leave for a year? Negotiating how the mandate is implemented is not necessarily the same as opposing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What are the grounds for the suit in NYC? Why would a teachers union go to court to block having vaccinated adults in schools to protect ineligible students?

because they have anti-vax members.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're quoted in the Washington Post saying they oppose a vaccine mandate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-school-staff-child-care-covid-vaccine-mandate/2021/09/20/771e53cc-1a10-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html

No they aren't. Post the quote.

Saying “we demand to bargain over this” means they want to extract concessions instead of just letting the mandate be imposed. They are throwing up barriers. And I won’t even get into the question of whether DC is obligated to bargain over the vaccine mandate in the first place. Over in NYC, UFT is in court *as we speak* trying to block the NYC vaccine mandate. Hoped that won’t happen here.

There are some procedural issues that could have been negotiated that aren't necessarily barriers -- for example, are teachers and other staff terminated on November 1 if they haven't provided proof of full vaccination? Or is it like NY where teachers who refuse vaccination can take unpaid leave for a year? Negotiating how the mandate is implemented is not necessarily the same as opposing it.

Except UFT in NY opposed the mandate, period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What are the grounds for the suit in NYC? Why would a teachers union go to court to block having vaccinated adults in schools to protect ineligible students?

because they have anti-vax members.

here’s the opinion lifting the TRO. The teachers union was arguing the mandate violated their due proces.

https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet?documentId=/SjAZEyrJ2_PLUS_NcbHKYidJ3w==&system=prod

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They're quoted in the Washington Post saying they oppose a vaccine mandate.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/dc-school-staff-child-care-covid-vaccine-mandate/2021/09/20/771e53cc-1a10-11ec-bcb8-0cb135811007_story.html

No they aren't. Post the quote.

Saying “we demand to bargain over this” means they want to extract concessions instead of just letting the mandate be imposed. They are throwing up barriers. And I won’t even get into the question of whether DC is obligated to bargain over the vaccine mandate in the first place. Over in NYC, UFT is in court *as we speak* trying to block the NYC vaccine mandate. Hoped that won’t happen here.

There are some procedural issues that could have been negotiated that aren't necessarily barriers -- for example, are teachers and other staff terminated on November 1 if they haven't provided proof of full vaccination? Or is it like NY where teachers who refuse vaccination can take unpaid leave for a year? Negotiating how the mandate is implemented is not necessarily the same as opposing it.

How does that work for hiring replacements? That doesn’t seem like a way to run schools, given we are talking about a shortage of teachers all over. We only temporarily hire the teachers willing to get vaccinated in a pandemic? Barf.

[Anonymous]

From Perry Stein today, in WaPo:

75% of DCPS staff has reported vaccine status. Based on that at least 68% of staff is vaccinated.

Vaccines were available to school staff teaching in person in FEBRUARY last year. They have been available to the general public since May. It is unconscionable that 1) this number is not higher and 2) DCPS does not have any information about 25% of DCPS staff's vax status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From Perry Stein today, in WaPo:

75% of DCPS staff has reported vaccine status. Based on that at least 68% of staff is vaccinated.

Vaccines were available to school staff teaching in person in FEBRUARY last year. They have been available to the general public since May. It is unconscionable that 1) this number is not higher and 2) DCPS does not have any information about 25% of DCPS staff's vax status.

Good thing that there's a vaccine mandate, then.

[Anonymous]

Well, they already have a "vax or test" mandate and they don't know the vaccination status of 25% of staff, so forgive me if I don't feel like the new mandate is a silver bullet.