Harvard tell Trump to pound sand

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

Bingo. It’s just like the tariffs, which he wants so other countries can come and beg him for favors so he has power over things. Not because he wants to actually bring manufacturing back.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is such a dumba**. Now he’s claiming that foreign students need remedial math. On the contrary, when I was a student in Boston, I had a lot of international friends at Harvard and MIT; some were grad TAs and they said that they had to teach Americans remedial math.

Harvard has started offering remedial math courses.

Yes, but the American students are filling the remedial math courses...not the foreign students he wants to keep out. Because other countries actually teach math and literacy in high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

All the free ones.

I don’t know who told you that people here don’t have 1A rights, but you should stop parroting it. It makes you look like a dolt.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is such a dumba**. Now he’s claiming that foreign students need remedial math. On the contrary, when I was a student in Boston, I had a lot of international friends at Harvard and MIT; some were grad TAs and they said that they had to teach Americans remedial math.

Harvard has started offering remedial math courses.

Yes, but the American students are filling the remedial math courses...not the foreign students he wants to keep out. Because other countries actually teach math and literacy in high schools.

It's not as though Harvard was unable to admit American students who have the skills. They chose diversity instead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Political rifts aside, honestly, I can’t see why any institution should be “open to the world” like the above letter said, at the expense of Americans (since every accepted international student is a rejected American student) and getting any benefits from the American government whatsoever, whether that’s tax benefits for their endowment or research funding or anything else. It’s fine to have a completely independent organization that has an international focus but then they should play by different rules than colleges for American students play by.

It is a private school and can admit whoever it wants.

And you know what, all of those public flagships also want the best and brightest from around the world. And all of those foreign students pay full freight and offset the tuitions for the instate and scholarship kids from the USA. A win-win that if it goes away, will put hundreds of schools out of business.

I keep hearing this argument tossed around, that the full-price tuition of international students is off-setting the tuitions of American students and funding financial aid etc. But is it really? I mean, do international tuitions directly off-set the price of tuition for American students? Can someone cite the evidence for this? Somehow I thought most financial aid was funded by endowment which is not the same as incoming tuition.

I think there is a grain of truth to this. Outside of a handful of elite schools, most college endowments are not large enough to provide many scholarships in perpetuity. Non-elite colleges depend heavily on international students or rich applicants with below average to pay full price.

A modern college president's primary job is fundraising. More and more of them are politicians who don't have a background in academics, but they do have a background in convincing people to donate money.

IMO this is a big problem with colleges. They have been optimized by the rich. So, they paid me a full ride so they could have the privilege to sit next to me in class. When I graduated, I didn't have the connections to do anything with the degree, unlike my rich peers. Then there are these businesses, "But American's don't have the skills." Or here, here is another one, "It's not what you know it's who you know."

Thinking forward, I have no use for such Universities. Do they have a competitive athletic program? They sure don't have competitive academic programs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political rifts aside, honestly, I can’t see why any institution should be “open to the world” like the above letter said, at the expense of Americans (since every accepted international student is a rejected American student) and getting any benefits from the American government whatsoever, whether that’s tax benefits for their endowment or research funding or anything else. It’s fine to have a completely independent organization that has an international focus but then they should play by different rules than colleges for American students play by.

It is a private school and can admit whoever it wants.

And you know what, all of those public flagships also want the best and brightest from around the world. And all of those foreign students pay full freight and offset the tuitions for the instate and scholarship kids from the USA. A win-win that if it goes away, will put hundreds of schools out of business.

I keep hearing this argument tossed around, that the full-price tuition of international students is off-setting the tuitions of American students and funding financial aid etc. But is it really? I mean, do international tuitions directly off-set the price of tuition for American students? Can someone cite the evidence for this? Somehow I thought most financial aid was funded by endowment which is not the same as incoming tuition.

I think there is a grain of truth to this. Outside of a handful of elite schools, most college endowments are not large enough to provide many scholarships in perpetuity. Non-elite colleges depend heavily on international students or rich applicants with below average to pay full price.

A modern college president's primary job is fundraising. More and more of them are politicians who don't have a background in academics, but they do have a background in convincing people to donate money.

IMO this is a big problem with colleges. They have been optimized by the rich. So, they paid me a full ride so they could have the privilege to sit next to me in class. When I graduated, I didn't have the connections to do anything with the degree, unlike my rich peers. Then there are these businesses, "But American's don't have the skills." Or here, here is another one, "It's not what you know it's who you know."

Thinking forward, I have no use for such Universities. Do they have a competitive athletic program? They sure don't have competitive academic programs.

You went to an elite school and couldn't figure out what to do with he degree? Did you just make this up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Political rifts aside, honestly, I can’t see why any institution should be “open to the world” like the above letter said, at the expense of Americans (since every accepted international student is a rejected American student) and getting any benefits from the American government whatsoever, whether that’s tax benefits for their endowment or research funding or anything else. It’s fine to have a completely independent organization that has an international focus but then they should play by different rules than colleges for American students play by.

It is a private school and can admit whoever it wants.

And you know what, all of those public flagships also want the best and brightest from around the world. And all of those foreign students pay full freight and offset the tuitions for the instate and scholarship kids from the USA. A win-win that if it goes away, will put hundreds of schools out of business.

I keep hearing this argument tossed around, that the full-price tuition of international students is off-setting the tuitions of American students and funding financial aid etc. But is it really? I mean, do international tuitions directly off-set the price of tuition for American students? Can someone cite the evidence for this? Somehow I thought most financial aid was funded by endowment which is not the same as incoming tuition.

I think there is a grain of truth to this. Outside of a handful of elite schools, most college endowments are not large enough to provide many scholarships in perpetuity. Non-elite colleges depend heavily on international students or rich applicants with below average to pay full price.

A modern college president's primary job is fundraising. More and more of them are politicians who don't have a background in academics, but they do have a background in convincing people to donate money.

IMO this is a big problem with colleges. They have been optimized by the rich. So, they paid me a full ride so they could have the privilege to sit next to me in class. When I graduated, I didn't have the connections to do anything with the degree, unlike my rich peers. Then there are these businesses, "But American's don't have the skills." Or here, here is another one, "It's not what you know it's who you know."

Thinking forward, I have no use for such Universities. Do they have a competitive athletic program? They sure don't have competitive academic programs.

You went to an elite school and couldn't figure out what to do with he degree? Did you just make this up?

No, but the poster was saying this is how "non-elite" colleges are funded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Trump is such a dumba**. Now he’s claiming that foreign students need remedial math. On the contrary, when I was a student in Boston, I had a lot of international friends at Harvard and MIT; some were grad TAs and they said that they had to teach Americans remedial math.

Harvard has started offering remedial math courses.

Yes, but the American students are filling the remedial math courses...not the foreign students he wants to keep out. Because other countries actually teach math and literacy in high schools.

It's not as though Harvard was unable to admit American students who have the skills. They chose diversity instead.

EVERY college and university in the country has international students, and has more of them than when you went to school decades ago.

And some of those international students are European WASPs, so that chunk isn't adding to the "diversity" that you seem to fear.

Am I responding to an elderly lady in Wichita or to a chat bot? SMH.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

Which country has historically itself out as the beacon of freedom, democracy and free speech? Lately, it has definitely not been the USA. I guess all history has an ending. But to answer your ridiculous question, international students in the UK may participate in protests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

Which country has historically itself out as the beacon of freedom, democracy and free speech? Lately, it has definitely not been the USA. I guess all history has an ending. But to answer your ridiculous question, international students in the UK may participate in protests.

Free speech is one thing. Blocking streets and buildings, disrupting campus activities and classes, intimidating people, trashing buildings, etc is not free speech and not allowed in UK. Foreign students should welcome the opportunity to be here. Otherwise, return home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

All the free ones.

I don’t know who told you that people here don’t have 1A rights, but you should stop parroting it. It makes you look like a dolt.

Your post makes you sound like a dolt, and a spoiled, entitled one at that. I doubt seriously that a racist klansman like David Duke would be welcome to express his views, disrupt classes, and block streets in any "free country."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

Which country has historically itself out as the beacon of freedom, democracy and free speech? Lately, it has definitely not been the USA. I guess all history has an ending. But to answer your ridiculous question, international students in the UK may participate in protests.

Free speech is one thing. Blocking streets and buildings, disrupting campus activities and classes, intimidating people, trashing buildings, etc is not free speech and not allowed in UK. Foreign students should welcome the opportunity to be here. Otherwise, return home.

Funnily enough, universities here don't "allow" disruptive protests either. Those kids get in trouble. Next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But so many American students struggling to get into college. It's great at the minimum that a light has been shown on Harvard that they have 30% some say 27%, but it's probably more of foreign students. Imagine your children being able to go to Harvard with these folks were not part of the admission process. I guarantee you Americans are not happy about that. I need to take care of our own country first until acceptance rates get higher. There should be no international students or at least a cap of like 5% which are normal for most schools

It’s a little sad that you seem to think that the motivation behind the Trump administration’s attack on Harvard and higher ed in general is an attempt to level the admissions playing field for US citizen students. It’s about power and control and is right out of the authoritarian playbook and every dictator has done it before.

Also, if you knew the first thing about other countries and their universities, you would know that most in the world accept foreign students and many accept a whole bunch of them. And where did you get that 5% number for a cap for foreign students. Did you pull it out of the air when you claimed it was “normal” for “most schools”?

He totally pulled the 5% number out of thin air.

Fortunately, NYT has some data:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/23/upshot/harvard-trump-international-students.html

Which countries allow foreign students to engage in protests?

Which country has historically itself out as the beacon of freedom, democracy and free speech? Lately, it has definitely not been the USA. I guess all history has an ending. But to answer your ridiculous question, international students in the UK may participate in protests.

Free speech is one thing. Blocking streets and buildings, disrupting campus activities and classes, intimidating people, trashing buildings, etc is not free speech and not allowed in UK. Foreign students should welcome the opportunity to be here. Otherwise, return home.

Funnily enough, universities here don't "allow" disruptive protests either. Those kids get in trouble. Next.

So then why did disruptive protests contunue at Columbia?