Chevy Chase Community Center Redevelopment

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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?


Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."


Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.



There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?


I want to get back to this post, as I believe it most clearly and succinctly identifies the impasse here.

The supporters of this “redevelopment” are not people who live in the neighborhood or have basically any idea about the neighborhood. They are - and I should say clearly, mostly well meaning - outsiders who were told that Chevy Chase is this wealthy, white enclave completely separate from the city, and that it has no apartments and is fighting against poor people moving into their exclusive enclave.

What they don’t realize is that all of that is just smoke and mirrors. Chevy Chase is one of the few primarily-low density residential, middle-to-upper-middle class neighborhoods in the city with a diverse, engaging community centered around a thriving commercial core that would be detrimentally impacted should these plans come to fruition. They don’t realize this because they don’t come up here to have a lovely scone and coffee at Bread & Chocolate, or get their hair cut at the wonderful family barber shop owned and operated by a first-generation Latino family, or enjoy some of the Best Greek Food in the city at Parthenon Restaurant, or grab a six pack at Magruders while chatting with the wonderful cashier who has been working there since you were a kid.

In short, they mean well, but they do not understand how important that community center and library is, and how big a loss they would be to this community. To those that support this plan, I ask that before you railroad through a plan that will further damage one of the few remaining middle class neighborhoods in this city against our wishes, that you actually come up here and walk down Connecticut Avenue, and enjoy a coffee at Bread and Chocolate, grab a bite to eat at Parthenon, get a haircut at the barber shop, but a six pack at Magruders, and see a show at the Avalon. Then, if you still think your hair rained scheme is a good one, I will look you in the eye and explain why you are wrong, but at least I can respect you.


I live less than a block from the community center, probably closer to it than you do. I support the proposal. Your post is way off in terms of what people "want."


Why do you support it?



Because the current library and community center are woefully out of date and in disrepair, the surface parking lot is an eyesore and rat hole and the "green space" is meager and underutilized. Rethinking the entire block for 21st century living, with some new residents will make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. I am perfectly fine with adding whatever units of affordable housing for people who work in the community - our firefighters, our policemen, our teachers, the clerk at Broad Branch Market, Safeway etc. This isn't section 8 or voucher housing, this is working people who should have an opportunity to live in the community where they work and "serve"

But to listen to my neighbors waxing poetic about two buildings that are falling apart and never had any architectural charm to begin with, along with a surface parking lot and some scraggley trees as something special borders on offensive.

I would also add, as someone who came into this debate agnostic, and reading posts on the neighborhood email group, it became offensive to listen to 1) the repeated false claims of the opponents. Repeating things that are easily disproven and that had been disproven many times simply undermined their credibility 2) the tacit racism expressed by many, without any recognition, even when gently pointed out, was appalling, and also appalling was many of my neighbors treatment of the volunteer ANC commissioners who have spent probably hundreds of unpaid hours dealing with the issue.

There is so much entitlement and latching on to a mythical past that doesn't exist without any sort of vision or embracing of a better future is just myopic.

Does that help?


the parking lot is not an eyesore and it is very useful


It is an asphalt parking lot that contributes to the heat-island effect and stormwater run-off. Thus, an eyesore and bad for the environment. We can and should do better.


This rear parking lot is being programmed for dense and tall development, not just the “developed” portion of the property along Connecticut Avenue. That’s why there’s a full court press to remove an old covenant that bars commercial and apartment development on the rear parking lot portion of the site. There is no such covenant on the front portion along Connecticut Ave, which is why the argument that the covenant should be presumed to have racist intent is so preposterous and offensive. It’s pretty clear that it was to provide a transitional buffer between denser commercial and apartment development and the low density residential areas to the east. If the whole site is redeveloped with taller density, that transition goes away.


My first response is..."and?"

My second response is, by creating a covenant against multi-family housing, the Chevy Chase Land Company was basically saying " the poors need not apply" - that is what the Councilmember presumably wants to eradicate. And I say, good for him.

Look at all of the other "tall" buildings below Livingston Street where they back up to the houses behind them. No big deal. if the people who live there don't like it, I am sure there will be bidding wars in the $2M + range for their houses.
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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?


Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."


Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.



There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?


I want to get back to this post, as I believe it most clearly and succinctly identifies the impasse here.

The supporters of this “redevelopment” are not people who live in the neighborhood or have basically any idea about the neighborhood. They are - and I should say clearly, mostly well meaning - outsiders who were told that Chevy Chase is this wealthy, white enclave completely separate from the city, and that it has no apartments and is fighting against poor people moving into their exclusive enclave.

What they don’t realize is that all of that is just smoke and mirrors. Chevy Chase is one of the few primarily-low density residential, middle-to-upper-middle class neighborhoods in the city with a diverse, engaging community centered around a thriving commercial core that would be detrimentally impacted should these plans come to fruition. They don’t realize this because they don’t come up here to have a lovely scone and coffee at Bread & Chocolate, or get their hair cut at the wonderful family barber shop owned and operated by a first-generation Latino family, or enjoy some of the Best Greek Food in the city at Parthenon Restaurant, or grab a six pack at Magruders while chatting with the wonderful cashier who has been working there since you were a kid.

In short, they mean well, but they do not understand how important that community center and library is, and how big a loss they would be to this community. To those that support this plan, I ask that before you railroad through a plan that will further damage one of the few remaining middle class neighborhoods in this city against our wishes, that you actually come up here and walk down Connecticut Avenue, and enjoy a coffee at Bread and Chocolate, grab a bite to eat at Parthenon, get a haircut at the barber shop, but a six pack at Magruders, and see a show at the Avalon. Then, if you still think your hair rained scheme is a good one, I will look you in the eye and explain why you are wrong, but at least I can respect you.


I live less than a block from the community center, probably closer to it than you do. I support the proposal. Your post is way off in terms of what people "want."


Why do you support it?



Because the current library and community center are woefully out of date and in disrepair, the surface parking lot is an eyesore and rat hole and the "green space" is meager and underutilized. Rethinking the entire block for 21st century living, with some new residents will make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. I am perfectly fine with adding whatever units of affordable housing for people who work in the community - our firefighters, our policemen, our teachers, the clerk at Broad Branch Market, Safeway etc. This isn't section 8 or voucher housing, this is working people who should have an opportunity to live in the community where they work and "serve"

But to listen to my neighbors waxing poetic about two buildings that are falling apart and never had any architectural charm to begin with, along with a surface parking lot and some scraggley trees as something special borders on offensive.

I would also add, as someone who came into this debate agnostic, and reading posts on the neighborhood email group, it became offensive to listen to 1) the repeated false claims of the opponents. Repeating things that are easily disproven and that had been disproven many times simply undermined their credibility 2) the tacit racism expressed by many, without any recognition, even when gently pointed out, was appalling, and also appalling was many of my neighbors treatment of the volunteer ANC commissioners who have spent probably hundreds of unpaid hours dealing with the issue.

There is so much entitlement and latching on to a mythical past that doesn't exist without any sort of vision or embracing of a better future is just myopic.

Does that help?


the parking lot is not an eyesore and it is very useful


It is an asphalt parking lot that contributes to the heat-island effect and stormwater run-off. Thus, an eyesore and bad for the environment. We can and should do better.


This rear parking lot is being programmed for dense and tall development, not just the “developed” portion of the property along Connecticut Avenue. That’s why there’s a full court press to remove an old covenant that bars commercial and apartment development on the rear parking lot portion of the site. There is no such covenant on the front portion along Connecticut Ave, which is why the argument that the covenant should be presumed to have racist intent is so preposterous and offensive. It’s pretty clear that it was to provide a transitional buffer between denser commercial and apartment development and the low density residential areas to the east. If the whole site is redeveloped with taller density, that transition goes away.


My first response is..."and?"

My second response is, by creating a covenant against multi-family housing, the Chevy Chase Land Company was basically saying " the poors need not apply" - that is what the Councilmember presumably wants to eradicate. And I say, good for him.

Look at all of the other "tall" buildings below Livingston Street where they back up to the houses behind them. No big deal. if the people who live there don't like it, I am sure there will be bidding wars in the $2M + range for their houses.


“The poors”?! City Ridge apartments rent from $2800 to over $12,000/monthly. Now the plan is to build more market rate housing, this time using public land in Chevy Chase. This is all about development interests wanting to loosen land use restrictions for a lucrative profit opportunity. Don’t get blinded by all the shiny quartzite finishes. “Affordable housing, inclusion, equity, ‘the poors’” is so much MAGA-nificent spin to slip through a preposterous real estate deal to use public assets for others’ private gain.
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I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


No, it doesn't.

https://48hills.org/2019/01/yimby-narrative-wrong/
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


This is simply a “Trumped-up Trickle Down” argument.
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Anonymous wrote:DC is a dumpster fire right now. Everything the city touches turns to ash. Why would anyone trust its judgment to take on a project that would impact the neighborhood enormously?


Exactly. How many times have we heard activists saying "This won't cause any problems at all and anyone who thinks it will is racist"? Decriminalize fare evasion, reduce the police force, the voucher program, the homeless shelters, etc. And now activists are saying we need to ignore all of the bad policies that they were pushing before because this time it's different? They don't even pause to reconsider the messes they've made, it's just immediately on to the next thing.

Five years from now they'll be saying "why are you bringing up the huge failure of the Chevy Chase Community Center development? This new project we're pushing is completely different."


Bullshit. 5 years from now you'll be getting your latte and chocolate crossiant from some trendy shop in what used to be the old community center site and saying to your friend 'can't believe *people* opossed this redevelopment years ago', ignoring that you were one of them.



There's already a quite nice place across the street to get a latte and a chocolate croissant. Do you really know the community, or is this yet another site for generic dense mixed-used sameness?


I want to get back to this post, as I believe it most clearly and succinctly identifies the impasse here.

The supporters of this “redevelopment” are not people who live in the neighborhood or have basically any idea about the neighborhood. They are - and I should say clearly, mostly well meaning - outsiders who were told that Chevy Chase is this wealthy, white enclave completely separate from the city, and that it has no apartments and is fighting against poor people moving into their exclusive enclave.

What they don’t realize is that all of that is just smoke and mirrors. Chevy Chase is one of the few primarily-low density residential, middle-to-upper-middle class neighborhoods in the city with a diverse, engaging community centered around a thriving commercial core that would be detrimentally impacted should these plans come to fruition. They don’t realize this because they don’t come up here to have a lovely scone and coffee at Bread & Chocolate, or get their hair cut at the wonderful family barber shop owned and operated by a first-generation Latino family, or enjoy some of the Best Greek Food in the city at Parthenon Restaurant, or grab a six pack at Magruders while chatting with the wonderful cashier who has been working there since you were a kid.

In short, they mean well, but they do not understand how important that community center and library is, and how big a loss they would be to this community. To those that support this plan, I ask that before you railroad through a plan that will further damage one of the few remaining middle class neighborhoods in this city against our wishes, that you actually come up here and walk down Connecticut Avenue, and enjoy a coffee at Bread and Chocolate, grab a bite to eat at Parthenon, get a haircut at the barber shop, but a six pack at Magruders, and see a show at the Avalon. Then, if you still think your hair rained scheme is a good one, I will look you in the eye and explain why you are wrong, but at least I can respect you.


I live less than a block from the community center, probably closer to it than you do. I support the proposal. Your post is way off in terms of what people "want."


Why do you support it?



Because the current library and community center are woefully out of date and in disrepair, the surface parking lot is an eyesore and rat hole and the "green space" is meager and underutilized. Rethinking the entire block for 21st century living, with some new residents will make the whole greater than the sum of the parts. I am perfectly fine with adding whatever units of affordable housing for people who work in the community - our firefighters, our policemen, our teachers, the clerk at Broad Branch Market, Safeway etc. This isn't section 8 or voucher housing, this is working people who should have an opportunity to live in the community where they work and "serve"

But to listen to my neighbors waxing poetic about two buildings that are falling apart and never had any architectural charm to begin with, along with a surface parking lot and some scraggley trees as something special borders on offensive.

I would also add, as someone who came into this debate agnostic, and reading posts on the neighborhood email group, it became offensive to listen to 1) the repeated false claims of the opponents. Repeating things that are easily disproven and that had been disproven many times simply undermined their credibility 2) the tacit racism expressed by many, without any recognition, even when gently pointed out, was appalling, and also appalling was many of my neighbors treatment of the volunteer ANC commissioners who have spent probably hundreds of unpaid hours dealing with the issue.

There is so much entitlement and latching on to a mythical past that doesn't exist without any sort of vision or embracing of a better future is just myopic.

Does that help?


the parking lot is not an eyesore and it is very useful


It is an asphalt parking lot that contributes to the heat-island effect and stormwater run-off. Thus, an eyesore and bad for the environment. We can and should do better.


This rear parking lot is being programmed for dense and tall development, not just the “developed” portion of the property along Connecticut Avenue. That’s why there’s a full court press to remove an old covenant that bars commercial and apartment development on the rear parking lot portion of the site. There is no such covenant on the front portion along Connecticut Ave, which is why the argument that the covenant should be presumed to have racist intent is so preposterous and offensive. It’s pretty clear that it was to provide a transitional buffer between denser commercial and apartment development and the low density residential areas to the east. If the whole site is redeveloped with taller density, that transition goes away.


My first response is..."and?"

My second response is, by creating a covenant against multi-family housing, the Chevy Chase Land Company was basically saying " the poors need not apply" - that is what the Councilmember presumably wants to eradicate. And I say, good for him.

Look at all of the other "tall" buildings below Livingston Street where they back up to the houses behind them. No big deal. if the people who live there don't like it, I am sure there will be bidding wars in the $2M + range for their houses.


“The poors”?! City Ridge apartments rent from $2800 to over $12,000/monthly. Now the plan is to build more market rate housing, this time using public land in Chevy Chase. This is all about development interests wanting to loosen land use restrictions for a lucrative profit opportunity. Don’t get blinded by all the shiny quartzite finishes. “Affordable housing, inclusion, equity, ‘the poors’” is so much MAGA-nificent spin to slip through a preposterous real estate deal to use public assets for others’ private gain.


Again with this. I can get the logic behind attempting to paint this development with a MAGA brush in hopes of making people be knee-jerk against it. It won't work, but I get it.

I've asked a couple times for an explanation of any connection and haven't gotten one. I think maybe ONE supporter engaged with the Administration while Trump was in office? Is that it?
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Nick = Nick DellaDonne, the erstwhile bike opponent who has been caught on video yelling at children with a megaphone.

No idea who Ed and Lance are.


Ed Hanlon, his buddy attorney who Chevy Choice Voice retained. Lance is a lackey of theirs who is a frequent agitator on the AdMo listserv and in the public meetings.

Anyway, while certainly they hate bikes and cyclists, the thing they dislike even more is affordable housing and change in the neighborhoods of the city that takes the form of development.


These "nothing can/should ever change because its perfect the way it is" fools. Bound to show up a community meeting or development site near you.




Change for the sake of change or unneeded density also is a real problem.


…and some ideas are just bad. Of course people would show up to community meetings to complain.


At ones 10 neighborhoods or more away from where they live?


So people in the neighborhood should be heard more loudly than people outside the neighborhood? We should listen to the survey? Ok, fine by me.

Please let the YIMBY shills know that they should mind their own business…it’s not their backyard, anyway.


Exactly, it's the bike lobby bro/greater greater washington nexus. Mainly white dudes trying to ruin things.


How very droll of the entitled, white, boomer who adamantly believes their way of life is perfect and all others should just accept that.


NP, here. What makes you think anyone here is white or boomer? My family isn't and we oppose this. But your snarkiness puts a microscope on your prejudices. Whenever someone says something you don't like, you decide to try to say they're entitled or old or white. When you very most likely are white and entitled yourself. Why does your voice matter more than others?


Because if you look at the results of the ANC survey, they overwhelming respondents who were oversampled in the results, were aging white boomers who are opposed to the redevelopment. But I am a different posted than who you are responding to. That would be my guess.


It’s really hard to fathom why anyone would be cheerleading so hard (on Christmas no less) for fancy housing on this civic site when there are other buildings and developments going up around upper Northwest. One assumes that the cheerleader either is a developer who hopes to scoop up an opportunity on favorable terms or someone being paid by a developer, an investor group, or maybe the DC planning office. In any event, the attempt to sow division based on race and age is offensive. It’s a real estate project.


What difference does it make that it is Christmas?

What other affordable housing is going up in Upper Northwest? Please be specific on location and number of units. If anything, on Christmas, we should be cheering for opportunities to provide housing for people who need the help, you know, act Christian.


You are deluding yourself if you think this will be affordable housing. If you read a number of postings on this thread from proponents of the development they are very careful not to commit to any affordable housing percentage or number. A few say it will at least contain the legally required minimum, which is a meagre 8 percent. That’s the percentage at City Ridge and the large building on Connecticut and Military. Why then should a public site be given over to private development with no assurances that it won’t just be more of the same?


We won't know until we see the RFP and the responses to the RFP. The whole point of this project is that the finances work to maximize affordable housing because the city owns it and that is what it wants there.


We don’t need to see the RFP to know that this is a waste of money and that any limited “affordable” housing provided by this project is unlikely to be worth the loss of public space.

Our government should not waste money writing up an RFP for a failed project gated by the community.
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It’s mostly just HOUSING. There may be an affordable component in it.
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


No, it doesn't.

https://48hills.org/2019/01/yimby-narrative-wrong/


Here is a peer reviewed research paper:
"My results suggest that new market-rate housing construction can improve housing affordability for middle- and low-income households, even in the short run. The effects are diffuse and appear to benefit diverse areas of a metropolitan area."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0094119021000656#:~:text=My%20results%20suggest%20that%20new,areas%20of%20a%20metropolitan%20area.

Here is a report from the Office of Revenue Analysis:
"This situation suggests that even though the city’s demand for rental units is growing (as a product of a growing population, a growing number of jobs and growing incomes), the actual increases in supply is helping to mitigate the annual appreciation rates of apartment rents. In essence, the city is likely to continue experiencing modest annual growth rates in rents in the
near term and, as a result, lower average levels of rent in the medium and longer terms."
https://cfo.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ocfo/publication/attachments/Housing%20Supply%20Bethel%20Cole%20Smith%20April%202020.pdf

Here is a Bloomberg article:
"The new mayor of Los Angeles and about a third of her fellow Americans think new construction causes prices to rise. The evidence suggests otherwise."
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-01-24/building-more-housing-makes-it-cheaper-really

Here is the Biden Administration:
"As his Action Plan reflects, President Biden believes the best thing we can do to ease the burden of housing costs is to boost the supply of quality housing."
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2022/05/16/president-biden-announces-new-actions-to-ease-the-burden-of-housing-costs/




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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


It's amazing that people think trickle-down economics will work with regard to housing when it doesn't work in nearly every other instance. But hey, the one semester of high school economics that most people take makes everyone an expert.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


It's amazing that people think trickle-down economics will work with regard to housing when it doesn't work in nearly every other instance. But hey, the one semester of high school economics that most people take makes everyone an expert.


Trickle-down is even less likely to work in housing than as a general economic theory because housing markets are highly localised and segmented in other ways.
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I'm curious about this distinction people are making between housing and affordable housing. Personally, I think some affordable housing is better than none, and that more housing at any rate is better than none.

But for those of you that object on the grounds that the development will not be all below market rate- what if it was. If the end deal was for a development of all below-rate housing, would you then be supportive? No objection then?
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Anonymous wrote:I used 'the poors' ironically; obviously you didn't get it, but it is a DCUM trope to reflect your attitude.

The proposal is for an affordable housing building. That is what the Mayor and the ANC and the Councilmember all want and support.

Why people like you keep bleating on about market rate housing on the site is just baffling.


The proposal is for the absolute minimum of affordable housing. Its going to be mostly housing for the wealthy, which will do jack shit for the city's affordable hosing crisis. Please try to keep up.


Even market rate housing (which this project does NOT entirely consist of) helps make a dent in the affordability crisis. Try to keep up.


No, it doesn't.

https://48hills.org/2019/01/yimby-narrative-wrong/


I read the "piece" and looked up the author cited in it. (I couldn't find the specific paper that the "piece" is characterizing.) Interestingly he has a more recent paper out. It concludes that upzoning leads to modestly more affordable housing AND a more reduces racial segregation.
https://www.urban.org/research/publication/zoning-change

He also appears to be a proponent of more public housing as the best solution to the housing crisis. So would you be in favor of the city building very dense public housing projects on tht site to a private developer?
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