Cops in TX tackle & block desperate parents, while they let shooter rampage thru the school

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a good explanation of what went down from Tim Sumner:

"The steel doors designed to keep killers out were used by the shooter to keep police out. w/o a key to open them, police would've had to use infantry techniques (explosives) to breech the outer walls. The kids and teachers were not the enemy. Blowing holes in walls, police indiscriminately spraying the room with bullets, or engaging a full body armored shooter using kids as human shields were NOT good options. (Imagine THAT forensic pathology report it would have generated, proof police killed X number of the innocent during entry). police entered Robb Elementary hallway (inverted T-shaped) 2-3 minutes after the shooter. The shooter had locked the doors and was slaughtering. From doorway, shooter sprayed police (who lacked cover) with bullets, wounding 2. Shooter wore full body armor. Police best option was to fall back to 2 corners feet away from CRs 111 and 112 doors and get backup. They needed keys or tools to open those doors. The police could not yet know who was alive, wounded, or dead in those CRs. Police needed level 4 shields to survive long enough upon entry to take down shooter for they did not know where within the 2 adjoining classrooms he would be when they entered. 9-1-1 calls were coming in. However, the police still lacked entry tools. Small kids playing dead, disoriented, crying for help provided little useful information (NOT at all the kids' fault). Sporadic fire from inside 2 adjoining CRs only momentarily provided police a fix on shooter, and he'd shot at police trying to peek through small windows on doors. Again, police could not place effective fire on moving shooter. He was barricaded in, could move within and between 2 CRs, and there were still living innocents inside. Were the police supposed to crashed through the outer windows, spray those 2 classrooms with bullets, and return fire once the shooter showed himself? That might be the right way during war but saving lives (not accepting "collateral damage") is what police are trained to do. So, the police waited for an entry team (drove 70 miles in 40 minutes), located a master key, listened, watched, and planned the entry of two doors. Meanwhile, "spotters"peering through the outer windows tried to get a fix on the shooter's location inside and relay to the entry team(s). If he was below the outer window, they would not have seen him. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Police told a Congressman afterwards the shooter emerged from a closet and and fired at them once entry was made. Upon entry, at least 1 police officer was wounded from the shooter's bullets passing above, below, outside those shields. The police had to expose body parts to get a shot. That is NOT cowardice on the part of the police; they wanted to live long enough to eliminate the shooter.

The ONLY people responsible for the deaths & wounded innocent kids & teachers ARE the shooter and anyone who helped him commit mass murder.

God bless the children, teachers, & police

P.S. If shooter positioned inside in the doorway between the 2 classrooms, he would have shielded himself from police viewing & snipers outside the school wing. He could observe police attempting to peak through small windows on doors. Adjoining door likely looked like a closet.Inner doorway between classrooms 111 & 112 was not a flat structure. It was a closet with doors on both sides through which teachers and students and the shooter could pass. Inside it, shooter could observe outer doors, both classrooms, and be shielded from outside window view. Uvalde gunman emerged from classroom closet firing as Border Patrol agents entered, officials say

Graphic of layout of classrooms/closet here:

https://ibb.co/qysc9pt

I thought it was confirmed he was not wearing body armor? I find it hard to believe anything coming out of TX at this point. Will wait for DOJ.

So you are also saying that a school feature built to keep the kids safe from guns did not work as intended........again, the source of all these problems are guns.

Again, the door was left open

I'm an aerospace engineer. In grad school, I took a human factors engineering class. You need to design systems around how people are likely to use, and potentially misuse, them. People prop open secure doors. It happens everywhere and has happened forever. If a door is your only defense against a massacre, then you've failed as a solution developer.

Also if the school security officer had been on site one of his required tasks would be checking the doors.

The best way for the police to avoid having to engage in a shootout inside the school is to stop the shooter from getting inside the school. There was only one assigned school police/security officer and he was not there until too late. They lied at first that there was a confrontation and shootout outside the school but the truth is there was no resistance.

The bestest way to stop a shooter is to make sure he doesn’t get guns and ammo in the first place.

The school doesn’t control that. It can have security who at least try to stop a shooter from getting inside the school.

And then once he's in, just throw up their hands and say, "well, so much for that! Sorry kids. Now let's attend to making sure these desperate parents can't try to get in and save those kids."

Nope, cops were wrong. But the gunman‘ s whereabouts sure made it hard. Had they all rushed in, they probably would have died along with more kids and staff. The gunman had the advantage of view and cover.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a good explanation of what went down from Tim Sumner:

"The steel doors designed to keep killers out were used by the shooter to keep police out. w/o a key to open them, police would've had to use infantry techniques (explosives) to breech the outer walls. The kids and teachers were not the enemy. Blowing holes in walls, police indiscriminately spraying the room with bullets, or engaging a full body armored shooter using kids as human shields were NOT good options. (Imagine THAT forensic pathology report it would have generated, proof police killed X number of the innocent during entry). police entered Robb Elementary hallway (inverted T-shaped) 2-3 minutes after the shooter. The shooter had locked the doors and was slaughtering. From doorway, shooter sprayed police (who lacked cover) with bullets, wounding 2. Shooter wore full body armor. Police best option was to fall back to 2 corners feet away from CRs 111 and 112 doors and get backup. They needed keys or tools to open those doors. The police could not yet know who was alive, wounded, or dead in those CRs. Police needed level 4 shields to survive long enough upon entry to take down shooter for they did not know where within the 2 adjoining classrooms he would be when they entered. 9-1-1 calls were coming in. However, the police still lacked entry tools. Small kids playing dead, disoriented, crying for help provided little useful information (NOT at all the kids' fault). Sporadic fire from inside 2 adjoining CRs only momentarily provided police a fix on shooter, and he'd shot at police trying to peek through small windows on doors. Again, police could not place effective fire on moving shooter. He was barricaded in, could move within and between 2 CRs, and there were still living innocents inside. Were the police supposed to crashed through the outer windows, spray those 2 classrooms with bullets, and return fire once the shooter showed himself? That might be the right way during war but saving lives (not accepting "collateral damage") is what police are trained to do. So, the police waited for an entry team (drove 70 miles in 40 minutes), located a master key, listened, watched, and planned the entry of two doors. Meanwhile, "spotters"peering through the outer windows tried to get a fix on the shooter's location inside and relay to the entry team(s). If he was below the outer window, they would not have seen him. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Police told a Congressman afterwards the shooter emerged from a closet and and fired at them once entry was made. Upon entry, at least 1 police officer was wounded from the shooter's bullets passing above, below, outside those shields. The police had to expose body parts to get a shot. That is NOT cowardice on the part of the police; they wanted to live long enough to eliminate the shooter.

The ONLY people responsible for the deaths & wounded innocent kids & teachers ARE the shooter and anyone who helped him commit mass murder.

God bless the children, teachers, & police

P.S. If shooter positioned inside in the doorway between the 2 classrooms, he would have shielded himself from police viewing & snipers outside the school wing. He could observe police attempting to peak through small windows on doors. Adjoining door likely looked like a closet.Inner doorway between classrooms 111 & 112 was not a flat structure. It was a closet with doors on both sides through which teachers and students and the shooter could pass. Inside it, shooter could observe outer doors, both classrooms, and be shielded from outside window view. Uvalde gunman emerged from classroom closet firing as Border Patrol agents entered, officials say

Graphic of layout of classrooms/closet here:

https://ibb.co/qysc9pt

I thought it was confirmed he was not wearing body armor? I find it hard to believe anything coming out of TX at this point. Will wait for DOJ.

So you are also saying that a school feature built to keep the kids safe from guns did not work as intended........again, the source of all these problems are guns.

Again, the door was left open

I'm an aerospace engineer. In grad school, I took a human factors engineering class. You need to design systems around how people are likely to use, and potentially misuse, them. People prop open secure doors. It happens everywhere and has happened forever. If a door is your only defense against a massacre, then you've failed as a solution developer.

I fully agree with you. And schools and democrat politicians repeatedly refuse enhanced security because the former don’t think fortifying is ‘good for the kids’ and the latter use only see gun control as a solution. It’s clear trained teachers who had access to securely stored weapons on the inside was really the only solution that would have helped. As an engineer, you should understand how those safes work and why they are secure.

No. It is NOT a good idea to rely on teachers to shoot it out with a madman. What a ridiculous idea.

REPUBLICANS CAN END THIS WITH GUN CONTROL AND THEY ARE CHOOSING NOT TO.

Period.

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I can't believe this argument to arm teachers. The same teachers many on the right have been demonizing for the past few years. Really? You don't trust them to teach your children, but you DO trust them with guns in the classroom?
My mother and MIL are both retired elementary school teachers, and I can't imagine them engaging in a shootout with a lunatic armed with an AR-15, in a classroom full of small children. Why don't we just restrict such weapons, put in place some sensible gun laws, and work on mental health in this country, instead of expecting our teachers to also function as security?
-former Republican voters who has been driven away by the nonsense of the last few years

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Every 18 yo seems to know where to buy tactical body armor these days. Are you suggesting that that body armor be the dress code for teachers and student at elementary schools going forward.

Remember, there was an armed security guard at the grocery store in Buffalo. Still didn't prevent the killings.

The PP’s MIL and Mother might not be the ones to step forward and volunteer. And once the perp knows the school is no longer an easy target, they will not go there. This has been proven over and over and over again.

Go away NRA. As much as you want the solution to involve buying more and more and more and more weapons, we are not interested. Go sell your weapons elsewhere.

I don’t personally own ONE weapon. I am concerned about people like this kid being ignored until he has to plan something huge and deadly to get attention. People reported him over and over.

How is is going to go on a rampage with an assault weapon if these are not available?

There have been plenty of mass shootings that don’t involve assault weapons. And some will still get one. Just not legally

Assault weapons feature very prominently in this sicko crowd.

So they will just throw up their hands and say, ‘well, those are gone. I’m fine now’.

[Anonymous]

Dear Lord.

You gun nuts will say anything to justify these assault rifles.

Just wait until crazy people start shooting up more and more private schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a good explanation of what went down from Tim Sumner:

"The steel doors designed to keep killers out were used by the shooter to keep police out. w/o a key to open them, police would've had to use infantry techniques (explosives) to breech the outer walls. The kids and teachers were not the enemy. Blowing holes in walls, police indiscriminately spraying the room with bullets, or engaging a full body armored shooter using kids as human shields were NOT good options. (Imagine THAT forensic pathology report it would have generated, proof police killed X number of the innocent during entry). police entered Robb Elementary hallway (inverted T-shaped) 2-3 minutes after the shooter. The shooter had locked the doors and was slaughtering. From doorway, shooter sprayed police (who lacked cover) with bullets, wounding 2. Shooter wore full body armor. Police best option was to fall back to 2 corners feet away from CRs 111 and 112 doors and get backup. They needed keys or tools to open those doors. The police could not yet know who was alive, wounded, or dead in those CRs. Police needed level 4 shields to survive long enough upon entry to take down shooter for they did not know where within the 2 adjoining classrooms he would be when they entered. 9-1-1 calls were coming in. However, the police still lacked entry tools. Small kids playing dead, disoriented, crying for help provided little useful information (NOT at all the kids' fault). Sporadic fire from inside 2 adjoining CRs only momentarily provided police a fix on shooter, and he'd shot at police trying to peek through small windows on doors. Again, police could not place effective fire on moving shooter. He was barricaded in, could move within and between 2 CRs, and there were still living innocents inside. Were the police supposed to crashed through the outer windows, spray those 2 classrooms with bullets, and return fire once the shooter showed himself? That might be the right way during war but saving lives (not accepting "collateral damage") is what police are trained to do. So, the police waited for an entry team (drove 70 miles in 40 minutes), located a master key, listened, watched, and planned the entry of two doors. Meanwhile, "spotters"peering through the outer windows tried to get a fix on the shooter's location inside and relay to the entry team(s). If he was below the outer window, they would not have seen him. THIS IS IMPORTANT: Police told a Congressman afterwards the shooter emerged from a closet and and fired at them once entry was made. Upon entry, at least 1 police officer was wounded from the shooter's bullets passing above, below, outside those shields. The police had to expose body parts to get a shot. That is NOT cowardice on the part of the police; they wanted to live long enough to eliminate the shooter.

The ONLY people responsible for the deaths & wounded innocent kids & teachers ARE the shooter and anyone who helped him commit mass murder.

God bless the children, teachers, & police

P.S. If shooter positioned inside in the doorway between the 2 classrooms, he would have shielded himself from police viewing & snipers outside the school wing. He could observe police attempting to peak through small windows on doors. Adjoining door likely looked like a closet.Inner doorway between classrooms 111 & 112 was not a flat structure. It was a closet with doors on both sides through which teachers and students and the shooter could pass. Inside it, shooter could observe outer doors, both classrooms, and be shielded from outside window view. Uvalde gunman emerged from classroom closet firing as Border Patrol agents entered, officials say

Graphic of layout of classrooms/closet here:

https://ibb.co/qysc9pt

I thought it was confirmed he was not wearing body armor? I find it hard to believe anything coming out of TX at this point. Will wait for DOJ.

So you are also saying that a school feature built to keep the kids safe from guns did not work as intended........again, the source of all these problems are guns.

Again, the door was left open

I'm an aerospace engineer. In grad school, I took a human factors engineering class. You need to design systems around how people are likely to use, and potentially misuse, them. People prop open secure doors. It happens everywhere and has happened forever. If a door is your only defense against a massacre, then you've failed as a solution developer.

Also if the school security officer had been on site one of his required tasks would be checking the doors.

The best way for the police to avoid having to engage in a shootout inside the school is to stop the shooter from getting inside the school. There was only one assigned school police/security officer and he was not there until too late. They lied at first that there was a confrontation and shootout outside the school but the truth is there was no resistance.

The bestest way to stop a shooter is to make sure he doesn’t get guns and ammo in the first place.

The school doesn’t control that. It can have security who at least try to stop a shooter from getting inside the school.

And then once he's in, just throw up their hands and say, "well, so much for that! Sorry kids. Now let's attend to making sure these desperate parents can't try to get in and save those kids."

Nope, cops were wrong. But the gunman‘ s whereabouts sure made it hard. Had they all rushed in, they probably would have died along with more kids and staff. The gunman had the advantage of view and cover.

The kids were literally telling police where the gunman was, and the cops did nothing. Worse than nothing. They prevented those who wanted to go in and stop him from doing so. Sometimes a bad man with a gun really needs the support of 20 police officers to make sure he can do his best work.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

Real world policing has to account for real world behavior. Like doors being open or not. Like a fence being there or not. You don't get to wait outside of a school where children are being slaughtered because you wish you could go back in time and get that teacher who'd gone on a smoke break to close the door again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

The door was propped open by a teacher who went to get her phone. The door was not the problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

Do you anti gun nuts know how stupid you sound blaming the police when more than likely all of the killing was done within 15 minutes of entry. One report stated the killer was holed up in a cabinet waiting for the breached classroom door and stepped out and fired on the BP agent who eventually made him DRT.

The only one who is to blame for this is ultimately the killer.

[Anonymous]

America declared war on masculinity; you are now “protected” by she-men.

Look at the Ukrainian heroes; where are your heroes America?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

Do you anti gun nuts know how stupid you sound blaming the police when more than likely all of the killing was done within 15 minutes of entry. One report stated the killer was holed up in a cabinet waiting for the breached classroom door and stepped out and fired on the BP agent who eventually made him DRT.

The only one who is to blame for this is ultimately the killer.

That’s a lie. There were 911 calls from kids.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

Do you anti gun nuts know how stupid you sound blaming the police when more than likely all of the killing was done within 15 minutes of entry. One report stated the killer was holed up in a cabinet waiting for the breached classroom door and stepped out and fired on the BP agent who eventually made him DRT.

The only one who is to blame for this is ultimately the killer.

and yet only american babies are slaughtered regularly. why is that?

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Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

Do you anti gun nuts know how stupid you sound blaming the police when more than likely all of the killing was done within 15 minutes of entry. One report stated the killer was holed up in a cabinet waiting for the breached classroom door and stepped out and fired on the BP agent who eventually made him DRT.

The only one who is to blame for this is ultimately the killer.

That’s a lie. There were 911 calls from kids.

No I didn’t lie. Go and listen to the calls? Do you hear any shooting? Nice try.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s the ‘door propped’ peddler and the ‘mom blame’ peddler.

Both grasping for ways to distract focus from the real problems here.

1) Access to guns.
2) Cowards that carry guns.

Bizarre and stupid snark.

Reports have stated that the door was propped. Very unfortunate. Are you claiming that this wasn’t a factor? To be clear: guns are the overarching and most important problem by far. I’d like to see the second amendment repealed. The other problem was obviously law enforcement. Good guys with guns who didn’t act correctly per the reports.

You call my post bizarre and stupid, then go on to reiterate what I just said plus add your propped door agenda to it.

There are deliberate factors and there are everyday mistakes.

You are conflating a door being propped into the same category of the deliberate actions of purchasing an assault rifle to murder children.
You are also conflating a propped door with the negligent actions of trained officers with guns that refused to help stop the massacre of children.

There is no propped door agenda. It’s a fact show in video and still footage. It doesn’t matter if it was deliberate or not - it served as the point of entry. Once inside, he was able to barricade himself between two classroom and still keep an eye on both doors and peep windows. Like or or not, that’s what happened.

Maybe since doors are the problem, we should ban them instead of guns.

Give it a rest.

The problem is none of you want to admit that a wide open security door was a huge contributor. It was. Facts are facts.

yes, it still would have happened. He would have shot the door open.

Facts are facts: gunman would have found an area to shoot up a whole bunch of people whether that door was open or not. Maybe at a mall? Or a restaurant?

Do you gun nuts know how stupid you sound saying the fault was an open door?

Do you anti gun nuts know how stupid you sound blaming the police when more than likely all of the killing was done within 15 minutes of entry. One report stated the killer was holed up in a cabinet waiting for the breached classroom door and stepped out and fired on the BP agent who eventually made him DRT.

The only one who is to blame for this is ultimately the killer.

That’s a lie. There were 911 calls from kids.

No I didn’t lie. Go and listen to the calls? Do you hear any shooting? Nice try.

I’m certain there were reports of gunfire during the time the calls were made, possibly overheard in one of the calls.

I heard or read the report of a little boy who told the story of police saying to call for help if they needed help, and when a child shouted for help she was killed. At least one child could’ve been saved if the police had been competent.