FCPS HS Boundary

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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).

DP. Your self-interest and disregard for other kids is so so gross. All that is wrong in our county.


DP. Good grief, Langley parents acted like the McLean families rezoned there in 2021 (in some cases, against their wishes) should have kissed their feet for the opportunity to attend Langley. But if, for whatever reason, part of Langley gets moved to Herndon, it’s going to be a crime against humanity and “all that is wrong in our county”? No wonder the Herndon parents don’t want you at their school, if that’s your attitude.


Eww, you are not someone that I would want to meet in real life.
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Anonymous wrote:Can’t imagine Robyn Lady thought her newsletter would appeal to any of her constituents other than people in Herndon who want Forestville and part of Great Falls redistricted to their school.


Herndon does not ‘want’ Forestville.


Depends on who you talk to. I've spoken to Herndon parents who think Forestville should be zoned to Herndon. And they are active in the FCDC/DDDC so Robyn Lady's people.


Does it make capacity and transportation sense? If moving Langley kids to Herndon (if there is room there) frees up room at Langley for a he overflowing McLean kids then it seems reasonable. No talk of equity is required.

Herndon doesn’t have capacity to absorb all of Forestville. The projections for Herndon are way off, and if they do it then they’ll just end up crowding Herndon and alleviating the McLean situation. Seems like the cure would be worse than the disease.

Btw, this whole thing is one big equity play, they just have to disguise it because the Supreme Court wouldn’t allow it if they were in the open about it.


The 2024-28 CIP projected Herndon at 2329 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Herndon at 1932 kids in 2027-28 and 1920 in 2028-29. Herndon has a design capacity of 2779 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected Langley at 2154 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has Langley at 2314 kids in 2027-28 and 2285 in 2028-29. Langley has a design capacity of 2370 kids following its expansion.

The 2024-28 CIP projected McLean at 2486 kids in 2027-28. The 2025-29 CIP now has McLean at 2388 kids in 2027-28 and 2365 kids in 2028-29. McLean has a design capacity of 1993 kids, excluding a modular, and 2279 kids, including the modular.

Before they start moving kids around from McLean to Langley to Herndon:

1. They really ought to explain why the Herndon and Langley projections varied so much. If the projections in the 2024-28 CIP were flawed, they still need another year of projections to demonstrate they are doing it better now.

2. They ought to respect the wishes of McLean families who, while viewing the modular as less than ideal, would prefer to stay at their school rather than be treated as pawns as part of a scheme to move part of Langley to Herndon.

3. They need to consider potential enrollment growth at Westfield due to new Silver Line construction (which would feed into Westfield, not Herndon) and whether available seats at Herndon should be used to accommodate that growth.


Exactly this. The current enrollment went from 2,341 last year to 2,335 this year. Net loss of SIX kids. Five year projection went down 409 students and a decrease from current enrollment of 415 students. Who loses 415 students in five years?!? This is an absolute scandal.

Imagine they move Forestville to Herndon and then have Herndon out in modulars. That’s where we are headed. And that falls squarely on Robyn Lady.


Correct, it the projections swing 10-20% year over year then they are not reliable at all and provide no rational basis for implementing boundary changes.

I wonder if the board is going to look into the Herndon projections because they are so laughably wrong. Only reason they wouldn’t look is if that is intentional.


They have to; otherwise, it’s just going to look like they played around with the forecasts to justify moving part of Langley to Herndon.


I wonder if any local paper would be interested in running with this as a story. Seems like one with legs.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


PS, just to add to this, if they are looking to level out numbers, Chantilly and Centreville probably can only be absorbed via Herndon, not Falls Church, so I could see a scenario where they move 20% off the McLean kids to the recently renovated falls church high. Admittedly, reducing overcrowding seems more like the pretext for redistricting, but it’s certainly more than a remote possibility.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.


A couple things:

I fully support a McLean renovation - PP seeks to throw GF neighbors under the bus to save her own kids, which is what I find repugnant.

Re: McLean islands, I’ve run the numbers, and I think the board will consider moving more than just the Spring Hill island. That move only still has McLean projected at over 110%, so they may have to move the other island to Falls church high school if they truly want to relieve overcrowding, or, less likely, move some of McLean near-ish Langley to Langley.

Maybe PP is smack dab in the heart of McLean and has kids that will not be directly affected by this, but moving 20% of a school’s population to other schools is never going to be a seamless process, so expect massive disruption when this actually gets enacted. I’m just saying to the PP that she should be careful what she wishes for.

Btw, the current board doesn’t care about McLean or Langley (Robyn Lady only cares about one school in her district). So, I’m just saying you might want to rethink the let’s sacrifice Forestville to relieve McLean overcrowding strategy, as it could completely backfire on you.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.


A couple things:

I fully support a McLean renovation - PP seeks to throw GF neighbors under the bus to save her own kids, which is what I find repugnant.

Re: McLean islands, I’ve run the numbers, and I think the board will consider moving more than just the Spring Hill island. That move only still has McLean projected at over 110%, so they may have to move the other island to Falls church high school if they truly want to relieve overcrowding, or, less likely, move some of McLean near-ish Langley to Langley.

Maybe PP is smack dab in the heart of McLean and has kids that will not be directly affected by this, but moving 20% of a school’s population to other schools is never going to be a seamless process, so expect massive disruption when this actually gets enacted. I’m just saying to the PP that she should be careful what she wishes for.

Btw, the current board doesn’t care about McLean or Langley (Robyn Lady only cares about one school in her district). So, I’m just saying you might want to rethink the let’s sacrifice Forestville to relieve McLean overcrowding strategy, as it could completely backfire on you.


Personally, I’ve only pointed out before that moving even more of McLean to Langley may result in moving part of Langley to Herndon. I’m not advocating for it, and if it’s proposed I’m sure those families will make the case it shouldn’t happen. However, I have listened to Elaine Tholen tell McLean parents in the past that they couldn’t move more of Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley because it would overcrowd Cooper (even post-renovation), and the only thing that’s really happened since then is that Herndon’s big expansion has been completed. That - plus the latest projections - seem to suggest FCPS may already have a future McLean/Langley/Herndon boundary change in mind. But if Langley can fight it and prefers its own overcrowding in the future, cool.

A few other things. First, they don’t need to pull 20% of McLean out unless they plan to get rid of the existing modular and never plan to expand McLean (we can have a separate discussion about leaving as the smallest HS in the county one expected to serve growing areas), and it’s a bit odd to call potentially moving kids to a renovated, expanded high school closer to their homes (Herndon) “throwing them under the bus.” You seem to think McLean kids can roll easily with being moved to Langley and/or Falls Church, but moving any kids out of Langley would be “repugnant.”
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


PS, just to add to this, if they are looking to level out numbers, Chantilly and Centreville probably can only be absorbed via Herndon, not Falls Church, so I could see a scenario where they move 20% off the McLean kids to the recently renovated falls church high. Admittedly, reducing overcrowding seems more like the pretext for redistricting, but it’s certainly more than a remote possibility.


Nice try, Great Falls mom. Look at a map.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.


A couple things:

I fully support a McLean renovation - PP seeks to throw GF neighbors under the bus to save her own kids, which is what I find repugnant.

Re: McLean islands, I’ve run the numbers, and I think the board will consider moving more than just the Spring Hill island. That move only still has McLean projected at over 110%, so they may have to move the other island to Falls church high school if they truly want to relieve overcrowding, or, less likely, move some of McLean near-ish Langley to Langley.

Maybe PP is smack dab in the heart of McLean and has kids that will not be directly affected by this, but moving 20% of a school’s population to other schools is never going to be a seamless process, so expect massive disruption when this actually gets enacted. I’m just saying to the PP that she should be careful what she wishes for.

Btw, the current board doesn’t care about McLean or Langley (Robyn Lady only cares about one school in her district). So, I’m just saying you might want to rethink the let’s sacrifice Forestville to relieve McLean overcrowding strategy, as it could completely backfire on you.


Personally, I’ve only pointed out before that moving even more of McLean to Langley may result in moving part of Langley to Herndon. I’m not advocating for it, and if it’s proposed I’m sure those families will make the case it shouldn’t happen. However, I have listened to Elaine Tholen tell McLean parents in the past that they couldn’t move more of Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley because it would overcrowd Cooper (even post-renovation), and the only thing that’s really happened since then is that Herndon’s big expansion has been completed. That - plus the latest projections - seem to suggest FCPS may already have a future McLean/Langley/Herndon boundary change in mind. But if Langley can fight it and prefers its own overcrowding in the future, cool.

A few other things. First, they don’t need to pull 20% of McLean out unless they plan to get rid of the existing modular and never plan to expand McLean (we can have a separate discussion about leaving as the smallest HS in the county one expected to serve growing areas), and it’s a bit odd to call potentially moving kids to a renovated, expanded high school closer to their homes (Herndon) “throwing them under the bus.” You seem to think McLean kids can roll easily with being moved to Langley and/or Falls Church, but moving any kids out of Langley would be “repugnant.”


Where in the world do I say that “McLean kids can roll easily”? My post quite literally says the exact opposite.

And just to refute one of your central points- they probably will consider moving more than just the spring hill kids, because if they don’t then they won’t really need to mess with Langley at all as it won’t be overcrowded (or marginally so). They need the inflated Langley numbers to justify the Forestville move to Herndon. Although based on their Herndon projections, they may just politically change the Langley projections next CIP.

Let me be clear, because you are trying to put words in my mouth. I absolutely think a county-wide redistricting is going to be a significant disaster for the county. Major disruption to thousands or tens of thousands of kids, thousands of impacted families, a decline in school quality, and a significant loss of tax revenue. And it’ll be a catastrophic hit to the FC Democratic brand. Nonetheless, they seem heck-bent on going through with it. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear I’m not.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


PS, just to add to this, if they are looking to level out numbers, Chantilly and Centreville probably can only be absorbed via Herndon, not Falls Church, so I could see a scenario where they move 20% off the McLean kids to the recently renovated falls church high. Admittedly, reducing overcrowding seems more like the pretext for redistricting, but it’s certainly more than a remote possibility.


Nice try, Great Falls mom. Look at a map.


Funny, I’ve looked at the school map more than I’ve ever wanted to. I’ve got spreadsheets projecting out various scenarios, and I’ve spent significant hours scrutinizing the last few CIPs.

I get why you want to dismiss the possibility of a significant negative impact to McLean, but discount my argument at your own peril.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.


A couple things:

I fully support a McLean renovation - PP seeks to throw GF neighbors under the bus to save her own kids, which is what I find repugnant.

Re: McLean islands, I’ve run the numbers, and I think the board will consider moving more than just the Spring Hill island. That move only still has McLean projected at over 110%, so they may have to move the other island to Falls church high school if they truly want to relieve overcrowding, or, less likely, move some of McLean near-ish Langley to Langley.

Maybe PP is smack dab in the heart of McLean and has kids that will not be directly affected by this, but moving 20% of a school’s population to other schools is never going to be a seamless process, so expect massive disruption when this actually gets enacted. I’m just saying to the PP that she should be careful what she wishes for.

Btw, the current board doesn’t care about McLean or Langley (Robyn Lady only cares about one school in her district). So, I’m just saying you might want to rethink the let’s sacrifice Forestville to relieve McLean overcrowding strategy, as it could completely backfire on you.


Personally, I’ve only pointed out before that moving even more of McLean to Langley may result in moving part of Langley to Herndon. I’m not advocating for it, and if it’s proposed I’m sure those families will make the case it shouldn’t happen. However, I have listened to Elaine Tholen tell McLean parents in the past that they couldn’t move more of Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley because it would overcrowd Cooper (even post-renovation), and the only thing that’s really happened since then is that Herndon’s big expansion has been completed. That - plus the latest projections - seem to suggest FCPS may already have a future McLean/Langley/Herndon boundary change in mind. But if Langley can fight it and prefers its own overcrowding in the future, cool.

A few other things. First, they don’t need to pull 20% of McLean out unless they plan to get rid of the existing modular and never plan to expand McLean (we can have a separate discussion about leaving as the smallest HS in the county one expected to serve growing areas), and it’s a bit odd to call potentially moving kids to a renovated, expanded high school closer to their homes (Herndon) “throwing them under the bus.” You seem to think McLean kids can roll easily with being moved to Langley and/or Falls Church, but moving any kids out of Langley would be “repugnant.”


Where in the world do I say that “McLean kids can roll easily”? My post quite literally says the exact opposite.

And just to refute one of your central points- they probably will consider moving more than just the spring hill kids, because if they don’t then they won’t really need to mess with Langley at all as it won’t be overcrowded (or marginally so). They need the inflated Langley numbers to justify the Forestville move to Herndon. Although based on their Herndon projections, they may just politically change the Langley projections next CIP.

Let me be clear, because you are trying to put words in my mouth. I absolutely think a county-wide redistricting is going to be a significant disaster for the county. Major disruption to thousands or tens of thousands of kids, thousands of impacted families, a decline in school quality, and a significant loss of tax revenue. And it’ll be a catastrophic hit to the FC Democratic brand. Nonetheless, they seem heck-bent on going through with it. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear I’m not.


I didn’t put words in your mouth. I drew inferences based on how readily you seemed to entertain multiple scenarios at once to move 20% of McLean students out of the school, while expressing revulsion at any suggestion Forestville kids now zoned to Langley might move to Herndon. I didn’t see you so quickly jumping to “run those numbers.”

If you are in favor of putting this entire boundary change exercise on hold until they actually have a far better sense of what they are proposing to do and its longer-term implications for FCPS and the county we are actually in agreement.
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


PS, just to add to this, if they are looking to level out numbers, Chantilly and Centreville probably can only be absorbed via Herndon, not Falls Church, so I could see a scenario where they move 20% off the McLean kids to the recently renovated falls church high. Admittedly, reducing overcrowding seems more like the pretext for redistricting, but it’s certainly more than a remote possibility.


Nice try, Great Falls mom. Look at a map.


Funny, I’ve looked at the school map more than I’ve ever wanted to. I’ve got spreadsheets projecting out various scenarios, and I’ve spent significant hours scrutinizing the last few CIPs.

I get why you want to dismiss the possibility of a significant negative impact to McLean, but discount my argument at your own peril.


Ah, now I see, you don’t even have school age kids, do you?
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Then why do you care about Forestville kids going to Herndon (or not)? Your kids don’t go to either Langley or Herndon, so why are you opining about other people’s children?


McLean mom wants Forestville moved out of Langley so her kids can get moved to Langley and avoid the drop in quality at McLean once all the new low-income housing is built in Tysons.


Nope, I want McLean to be less crowded for all go there by making the obvious choice to shift some of MHS to LHS and some of LHS to HHS. LHS has capacity and some parts of its zone are so much closer to HHS (the bus ride from those neighborhoods to LHS to s ridiculous).
With its new renovation, Falls Church HS can pick up some of the McLean crowding on the other side of the McLean district. Frankly, with the growth of Tyson’s, I think both will have to happen as well as expanding McLean.


Falls Church HS is much farther away from MHS zone than HHS is from LHS. Not to mention, LHS has excess capacity.


Nice try. There are parts of McLean that are super close to falls church high. Be careful advocating too hard for a county-wide redistricting, McLean families, or you could end up with some very unintended consequences.


DP. McLean still has two attendance islands. One is in Tysons, and feeds to Spring Hill, which is a split feeder to Langley and McLean. The other is in Falls Church, and feeds to Timber Lane, which is a split feeder to McLean and Falls Church.

It would be easier, if they want to reduce the overcrowding at McLean and remain unwilling to invest in the school, to move the Timber Lane island to Falls Church. However, that would pull diversity out of McLean, so the SB may be more inclined to move the Spring Hill island to Langley. If they do that, it stands to push Langley (and even more so Cooper) over capacity, so they may team it with moving part of Langley to Herndon. Or maybe they won’t, in which case Cooper and Langley can enjoy some of the overcrowding that McLean has put up with for the past decade.

Some McLean families may relish any scenario that moves them to wealthier, renovated Langley. Many of us would prefer FCPS to leave the boundaries alone and expand McLean like they’ve expanded West Potomac, Madison and Justice (outside the queue), but the powers that be refuse to spend money at our school. So, now, with our School Board member and others touting upcoming boundary changes, we’re just trying to figure out what it may mean for our pyramid. If our speculation bothers you so much, maybe you should have supported a MHS addition previously (rather than accused us of trying to jump the queue) or voted for different School Board candidates.


A couple things:

I fully support a McLean renovation - PP seeks to throw GF neighbors under the bus to save her own kids, which is what I find repugnant.

Re: McLean islands, I’ve run the numbers, and I think the board will consider moving more than just the Spring Hill island. That move only still has McLean projected at over 110%, so they may have to move the other island to Falls church high school if they truly want to relieve overcrowding, or, less likely, move some of McLean near-ish Langley to Langley.

Maybe PP is smack dab in the heart of McLean and has kids that will not be directly affected by this, but moving 20% of a school’s population to other schools is never going to be a seamless process, so expect massive disruption when this actually gets enacted. I’m just saying to the PP that she should be careful what she wishes for.

Btw, the current board doesn’t care about McLean or Langley (Robyn Lady only cares about one school in her district). So, I’m just saying you might want to rethink the let’s sacrifice Forestville to relieve McLean overcrowding strategy, as it could completely backfire on you.


Personally, I’ve only pointed out before that moving even more of McLean to Langley may result in moving part of Langley to Herndon. I’m not advocating for it, and if it’s proposed I’m sure those families will make the case it shouldn’t happen. However, I have listened to Elaine Tholen tell McLean parents in the past that they couldn’t move more of Longfellow/McLean to Cooper/Langley because it would overcrowd Cooper (even post-renovation), and the only thing that’s really happened since then is that Herndon’s big expansion has been completed. That - plus the latest projections - seem to suggest FCPS may already have a future McLean/Langley/Herndon boundary change in mind. But if Langley can fight it and prefers its own overcrowding in the future, cool.

A few other things. First, they don’t need to pull 20% of McLean out unless they plan to get rid of the existing modular and never plan to expand McLean (we can have a separate discussion about leaving as the smallest HS in the county one expected to serve growing areas), and it’s a bit odd to call potentially moving kids to a renovated, expanded high school closer to their homes (Herndon) “throwing them under the bus.” You seem to think McLean kids can roll easily with being moved to Langley and/or Falls Church, but moving any kids out of Langley would be “repugnant.”


Where in the world do I say that “McLean kids can roll easily”? My post quite literally says the exact opposite.

And just to refute one of your central points- they probably will consider moving more than just the spring hill kids, because if they don’t then they won’t really need to mess with Langley at all as it won’t be overcrowded (or marginally so). They need the inflated Langley numbers to justify the Forestville move to Herndon. Although based on their Herndon projections, they may just politically change the Langley projections next CIP.

Let me be clear, because you are trying to put words in my mouth. I absolutely think a county-wide redistricting is going to be a significant disaster for the county. Major disruption to thousands or tens of thousands of kids, thousands of impacted families, a decline in school quality, and a significant loss of tax revenue. And it’ll be a catastrophic hit to the FC Democratic brand. Nonetheless, they seem heck-bent on going through with it. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear I’m not.


I didn’t put words in your mouth. I drew inferences based on how readily you seemed to entertain multiple scenarios at once to move 20% of McLean students out of the school, while expressing revulsion at any suggestion Forestville kids now zoned to Langley might move to Herndon. I didn’t see you so quickly jumping to “run those numbers.”

If you are in favor of putting this entire boundary change exercise on hold until they actually have a far better sense of what they are proposing to do and its longer-term implications for FCPS and the county we are actually in agreement.


We are in agreement. Nothing would make me happier than killing the redistricting effort. Unfortunately, Robyn Lady’s newsletter this week confirmed that they are likely to go ahead with it. Most residents will be impacted in one way or another, some much more than others - they plan to pick winners and losers with this process.

I have spent entirely too much time running the Forestville Herndon numbers in anticipation of the SB moving ahead with this, even over the objection of a clear majority of the county residents.
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