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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

And before you say it: yes, 726,000 Arabs were displaced in the same war. It’s called the Nakhba. But people never discuss the 800,000 Jews the Arabs displaced.

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

These views are absolutely common to all Israelis, and all you have to do to prove it is examine the common attitudes to the "right of return" of the most liberal Israelis.

What's the answer to the right of return? it's always a noooooo. Mind you, no one really denies the refugees have a valid claim. Yes, they lived there before, yes, we took their land and homes. No they cannot return. Why? Well they will tell you stories that "they hate us!", "they were told to leave!", "they were waiting for us to be defeated!" (like any of these defeat a claim? like fleeing a warzone means you've abandoned it forever?). But the real reason is always, "because with all of them here, there is no Jewish state." Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government. End of story.

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Anonymous wrote:Sticking to the topic of the thread: Right now Israel is bombing Lebanon and actual humans are terrified (or hurt or dead).

Israel and Israelis are in no imminent threat if IDF stopped bombing.

There is a clear and right and moral side to this.

You are so so so lost.

Hezbollah has launched 8000 missiles into Israel since 10/7/23. This has displaced hundreds or thousand of Israelis living in the north.

Per UN Resolution 1701, which ended the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war, there was supposed to be a 18 mile buffer zone between Hezbollah and the border of Israel. This was out into protect Citizens in Israel in the north.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701


However, this was not enforced by the UN, and now Hezbollah was right in the Israel border. They launched missiles into Israel on 10/8/23.


So yeah, I have no sympathy for any Hezbollah fighters who die or blame Israel for this at all as they did not start his and are defending themselves. Israel has no control over Lebanon and The Lebanese people are run by Hezbollah.

So buddy, yes, Israel is in immediate danger if they don’t defend themselves. They have been bombed by Hebollah for 1 year! How would the US respond if Mexico launched missiles into the US?

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

What part of that justifies expelling the local Arabs?

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

What part of that justifies expelling the local Arabs?

Who started the Arab Israeli war?

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

And before you say it: yes, 726,000 Arabs were displaced in the same war. It’s called the Nakhba. But people never discuss the 800,000 Jews the Arabs displaced.

Ah yes the Arabs. It's always "the Arabs". One great huge mass from Morocco to Baghdad, all the same, each responsible for what the other is doing.

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Anonymous wrote:Sticking to the topic of the thread: Right now Israel is bombing Lebanon and actual humans are terrified (or hurt or dead).

Israel and Israelis are in no imminent threat if IDF stopped bombing.

There is a clear and right and moral side to this.

You are so so so lost.

Hezbollah has launched 8000 missiles into Israel since 10/7/23. This has displaced hundreds or thousand of Israelis living in the north.

Per UN Resolution 1701, which ended the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war, there was supposed to be a 18 mile buffer zone between Hezbollah and the border of Israel. This was out into protect Citizens in Israel in the north.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701


However, this was not enforced by the UN, and now Hezbollah was right in the Israel border. They launched missiles into Israel on 10/8/23.


So yeah, I have no sympathy for any Hezbollah fighters who die or blame Israel for this at all as they did not start his and are defending themselves. Israel has no control over Lebanon and The Lebanese people are run by Hezbollah.

So buddy, yes, Israel is in immediate danger if they don’t defend themselves. They have been bombed by Hebollah for 1 year! How would the US respond if Mexico launched missiles into the US?

Why are you prattling on about groups failing to recognize U.N. resolutions when Israel itself is, by miles, the most flagrant of these groups?

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

And before you say it: yes, 726,000 Arabs were displaced in the same war. It’s called the Nakhba. But people never discuss the 800,000 Jews the Arabs displaced.

Ah yes the Arabs. It's always "the Arabs". One great huge mass from Morocco to Baghdad, all the same, each responsible for what the other is doing.

WTH are you talking about?! You all love to make assumptions.

Obviously I meant the Arabs living in Mandatory Palestine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sticking to the topic of the thread: Right now Israel is bombing Lebanon and actual humans are terrified (or hurt or dead).

Israel and Israelis are in no imminent threat if IDF stopped bombing.

There is a clear and right and moral side to this.

You are so so so lost.

Hezbollah has launched 8000 missiles into Israel since 10/7/23. This has displaced hundreds or thousand of Israelis living in the north.

Per UN Resolution 1701, which ended the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war, there was supposed to be a 18 mile buffer zone between Hezbollah and the border of Israel. This was out into protect Citizens in Israel in the north.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701


However, this was not enforced by the UN, and now Hezbollah was right in the Israel border. They launched missiles into Israel on 10/8/23.


So yeah, I have no sympathy for any Hezbollah fighters who die or blame Israel for this at all as they did not start his and are defending themselves. Israel has no control over Lebanon and The Lebanese people are run by Hezbollah.

So buddy, yes, Israel is in immediate danger if they don’t defend themselves. They have been bombed by Hebollah for 1 year! How would the US respond if Mexico launched missiles into the US?

Why are you prattling on about groups failing to recognize U.N. resolutions when Israel itself is, by miles, the most flagrant of these groups?

Do you have proof that Israel violates UN resolutions more than Hamas or Hezbollah?

[Anonymous]

May Israel kill every Hezbollah terrorist.

Then maybe the people of Lebanon who want to live in peace, can live a normal life

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Anonymous wrote:May Israel kill every Hezbollah terrorist.

Then maybe the people of Lebanon who want to live in peace, can live a normal life

The left in this country cry every time a Hamas or Hezbollah terrorist dies.

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Resistance to Israeli Occupation: Hezbollah was initially formed to resist the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon, which began in 1982 during the Lebanese Civil War. The group's primary objective was the liberation of Lebanese territory from Israeli control, which it claims it achieved in 2000 when Israeli forces withdrew from most of southern Lebanon. Hezbollah continues to view opposition to Israel as one of its core missions, particularly in relation to disputed areas like the Shebaa Farms.

Support for Palestinian Liberation: Hezbollah is committed to the broader goal of ending Israeli control over Palestinian territories and supports the Palestinian cause. It advocates for the destruction of the State of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic state in all of historic Palestine.

Defense of Lebanon: Hezbollah portrays itself as a defender of Lebanon from foreign aggression, particularly from Israel. It justifies maintaining a paramilitary wing by arguing that the Lebanese state and army alone cannot protect the country from Israeli threats.

Establishment of an Islamic State: In its original 1985 manifesto, Hezbollah expressed the goal of creating an Islamic government in Lebanon based on the model of Iran's Islamic Republic. However, this goal has been downplayed over the years, and Hezbollah now claims to respect Lebanon's multi-confessional nature, emphasizing political pluralism instead of insisting on an Islamic state.

Opposition to Western Influence: Hezbollah positions itself as a force against U.S. and Western influence in the Middle East. The group opposes what it perceives as American and Western hegemony in the region and aligns itself with Iran’s anti-Western stance, particularly in its opposition to U.S. policies and military interventions.

Support for Iran's Ideology: Hezbollah has strong ties to Iran, both financially and ideologically. It adheres to the principles of Wilayat al-Faqih, or the Guardianship of the Islamic Jurist, a concept developed by Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini, which advocates for the rule of a qualified Islamic jurist in the governance of a state. Hezbollah views Iran's Supreme Leader as its spiritual leader and continues to support Iran's regional policies.

Political Role in Lebanon: Over the years, Hezbollah has become an integral part of Lebanon's political system. It participates in elections, holds seats in the Lebanese parliament, and serves as part of governing coalitions. Hezbollah's stated political goal is to protect Lebanon’s sovereignty, security, and interests while ensuring the defense of the Shiite community, which is a significant political and social base for the group.

Given the recent emergence of, yet another, “Islamic State” in Afghanistan, I believe the world (and particularly the women of the world) have had quite enough of these “Islamic states,” espoused by Hezbollah in the paragraph above.

Israel is doing the world a favor by dismantling the designated terrorist organizations of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Carry on.

The last thing we need is yet another Islamic State run by psychopaths.

That is true because if we had one of those alongside the Jewish state run by psychopaths we truly would destroy the world as we know it.

There is another answer: a ceasefire.

Yes because Hamas and Hezbollah have a history of holding to ceasefires.

Wait … crap.

All you need to do is look at how many people (ie humans) Israel has killed over the last 100 years compared to how many Israelis Muslim groups have killed to understand that the scales are definitely tilted. It's not Israel that is the victim.

So you don’t care that Hamas and Hezbollah broke ceasefires on Oct 7/8.

There was no ceasefire to break because Israel was killing Gazans and West Bankers all along.

Yep. This.

Except that isn’t true as far as Gaza is concerned. There was a ceasefire and Hamas broke it.

There was also a ceasefire with Hezbollah.

GTFOH. Just GTFO.

Do you have any idea what an absolute land, sea and air blockade imposed on a goddamned squalid concentration camp looks and feels like? Random detentions without charge and extrajudicial killings with no provocation? Flagrant violations on international law, multi-generational violations of U.N. resolutions, violations of the Geneva Convention, sovereign airspace violations, assassinations of civilian men of science, and on and on.

Those people have every goddamned right in the world to hate Israel and Israelis for who they are, for what they’ve done, for what they stand for, and for the daily, numbing abuses and humiliations that have been forced upon them by people like you. “NBD, just get over it” and yet people like you have the gall to cry out the moment the oppressed fight back, demanding everyone’s attention and sympathy.

Israel will never have peace or safety because it’s not about a Jewish homeland, it’s about a platform for evil, craven POS imports from Eastern Europe to impose their bellicose, racist ideology on a group of people who walked into a one-sided fight involuntarily funded by people like me, FFS.

DP.

Israel WAS "just about a Jewish homeland", then the Arabs and Palestinians unlawfully tried to wipe Israelis off the face of the earth in '47-'48.

So Israelis have just as much "right" to hate Palestinians and their Arab neighbors as vice-versa.

Thinking like yours does nothing but perpetuate hate and fuel the conflict.

So congratulations. You fuel the very cycle of hatred that you purport to decry.

LOL if it was "just about" Jewish homeland, then why did the early Israelis commit themselves to becoming Arab-free? They didn't succeed fully of course....but the early Zionists were more honest than you. They all admitted that the Jewish state means a Jewish majority and the Jewish government - which is impossible with a huge Arab block in its midst. Ergo, Arabs had to go. They couldn't very well up and slaughter them so a myth of dirty aggressive Arabs who hate the Joos had to be invented. It's sort of comical how Germans became the good guys and Arab the bad guys now that Arabs had something the Zionists wanted.

True of *some* early Zionists, but attributing their views to all Israelis is the equivalent of saying "Hamas are Palestinians, therefore all Palestinians are Hamas".

I don't imagine that you subscribe to that view, do you?

Also worth correcting your history to note that the Israeli leadership in 1947-48 ACCEPTED the partition and 2 state solution. So regardless of the views of some extremists, the official Israeli position was to accept a 2 state solution.

The official Palestinian/Arab response was to reject the 2 state solution and start a war of annihilation.

TLDR? Your history is garbage.

Right...and what did they do with non-Jews in the state that they accepted? Tell us.

DP: tell me about how the Arab League rejected the partition plan and declared war and displaced 800,000 Jews.

What part of that justifies expelling the local Arabs?

Who started the Arab Israeli war?

Er...do you think Russia would be justified in expelling the Chechens because they have unquestionably, without a doubt, started both Chechen wars?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:May Israel kill every Hezbollah terrorist.

Then maybe the people of Lebanon who want to live in peace, can live a normal life

No country will live in peace with a neighbor like Israel who thinks borders mean nothing.