Woodward HS boundary study - BCC, Blair, Einstein, WJ, Kennedy, Northwood, Wheaton, Whitman impacts

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Given that Woodward is being used as a holding school for Northwood, which is actually further from Woodward than Einstein and Wheaton, the DCC schools most likely to have feeders re-assigned to Woodward, the inconvenience argument doesn’t hold much water.

One has nothing to do with the other.

I mean, it makes it so you can’t credibly say it’s too inconvenient to zone some DCC feeders there.

Not true. Holding schools are almost always farther away than regular schools. It's a temporary arrangement with more and longer bus routes than usual.

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We are zoned for Einstein and have zero desire to send our child to WJ. At that point, we'd just pay for private. We do want Einstein to be less overcrowded,.however that can be achieved.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Given that Woodward is being used as a holding school for Northwood, which is actually further from Woodward than Einstein and Wheaton, the DCC schools most likely to have feeders re-assigned to Woodward, the inconvenience argument doesn’t hold much water.

The holding school decision was the least worst option they could find. No one thought it was convenient. For populating Woodward as a new high school if its own, they have many more options.

They should keep it a holding school and remodel or rebuild the remaining high schools that need it.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Given that Woodward is being used as a holding school for Northwood, which is actually further from Woodward than Einstein and Wheaton, the DCC schools most likely to have feeders re-assigned to Woodward, the inconvenience argument doesn’t hold much water.

One has nothing to do with the other.

I mean, it makes it so you can’t credibly say it’s too inconvenient to zone some DCC feeders there.

It is incredibly inconvenient for those of us DCC. We'd pass several other much closer high schools than Woodward. It would make it very hard with after school activities and driving back and forth.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Given that Woodward is being used as a holding school for Northwood, which is actually further from Woodward than Einstein and Wheaton, the DCC schools most likely to have feeders re-assigned to Woodward, the inconvenience argument doesn’t hold much water.

The holding school decision was the least worst option they could find. No one thought it was convenient. For populating Woodward as a new high school if its own, they have many more options.

They should keep it a holding school and remodel or rebuild the remaining high schools that need it.

Not gonna happen.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Given that Woodward is being used as a holding school for Northwood, which is actually further from Woodward than Einstein and Wheaton, the DCC schools most likely to have feeders re-assigned to Woodward, the inconvenience argument doesn’t hold much water.

One has nothing to do with the other.

I mean, it makes it so you can’t credibly say it’s too inconvenient to zone some DCC feeders there.

It is incredibly inconvenient for those of us DCC. We'd pass several other much closer high schools than Woodward. It would make it very hard with after school activities and driving back and forth.

We are zoned for Einstein and I would not have an issue being re-zoned to Woodward or WJ or Wheaton because of how bad the overcrowding is. We are also walkers to Einstein with a long and unsafe walk, so honestly I would prefer that we get bussed.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Considering the geography of the DCC, I am 100% confident that Woodard is more convenient to “most DCC schools” over BCC.

The issue is the DCC schools Woodward is closest to also happen to be within walking distance of their current HS: Viers Mill (Wheaton) and Rock View (Einstein). That leads to other options, such as sending some or all of Woodlin, for example, to BCC. And no, I am not zoned for Woodlin.

The walk zone for Westland MS go to Pyle. This doesn’t seem like an important issue.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Considering the geography of the DCC, I am 100% confident that Woodard is more convenient to “most DCC schools” over BCC.

The issue is the DCC schools Woodward is closest to also happen to be within walking distance of their current HS: Viers Mill (Wheaton) and Rock View (Einstein). That leads to other options, such as sending some or all of Woodlin, for example, to BCC. And no, I am not zoned for Woodlin.

The walk zone for Westland MS go to Pyle. This doesn’t seem like an important issue.

The boundary study may well address that. If they want to maximize walkabilty, that's a low-hanging fruit.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Considering the geography of the DCC, I am 100% confident that Woodard is more convenient to “most DCC schools” over BCC.

The issue is the DCC schools Woodward is closest to also happen to be within walking distance of their current HS: Viers Mill (Wheaton) and Rock View (Einstein). That leads to other options, such as sending some or all of Woodlin, for example, to BCC. And no, I am not zoned for Woodlin.

The walk zone for Westland MS go to Pyle. This doesn’t seem like an important issue.

The boundary study may well address that. If they want to maximize walkabilty, that's a low-hanging fruit.

It’s not an important issue for anyone because Pyle has spare capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Considering the geography of the DCC, I am 100% confident that Woodard is more convenient to “most DCC schools” over BCC.

The issue is the DCC schools Woodward is closest to also happen to be within walking distance of their current HS: Viers Mill (Wheaton) and Rock View (Einstein). That leads to other options, such as sending some or all of Woodlin, for example, to BCC. And no, I am not zoned for Woodlin.

The walk zone for Westland MS go to Pyle. This doesn’t seem like an important issue.

The boundary study may well address that. If they want to maximize walkabilty, that's a low-hanging fruit.

It’s not an important issue for anyone because Pyle has spare capacity.

That's one of the factors. Proximity is another.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

Considering the geography of the DCC, I am 100% confident that Woodard is more convenient to “most DCC schools” over BCC.

The issue is the DCC schools Woodward is closest to also happen to be within walking distance of their current HS: Viers Mill (Wheaton) and Rock View (Einstein). That leads to other options, such as sending some or all of Woodlin, for example, to BCC. And no, I am not zoned for Woodlin.

The walk zone for Westland MS go to Pyle. This doesn’t seem like an important issue.

This might be relevant if this boundary study was about addressing MS overcrowding :roll:

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a summary. People in bad school districts want to try and get their foot in the door at WJ Whitman and BCC. People in those districts have very valuable homes because of the school district. They paid a lot of $ to not send their kid to Blair Northwood Wheaton Kennedy Einstein. People at the bad schools would benefit academically and financially from being slotted into a Bethesda school district. This is the battle at hand. I would suggest mcps investing money in making the DCC better and not diluting the W schools. Don’t fix what isn’t broken

That is not the summary. The summary is that a new school is being built and we need to figure out which kids will go there. There is no battle for your rich neighborhood, lol.

Then it’s simple. The kids that would have gone there when this school closed should now go there again. Tilden MS to Woodward, north bethesda ms to WJ. It’s worth noting north bethesda is a middle school and not a place.

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a summary. People in bad school districts want to try and get their foot in the door at WJ Whitman and BCC. People in those districts have very valuable homes because of the school district. They paid a lot of $ to not send their kid to Blair Northwood Wheaton Kennedy Einstein. People at the bad schools would benefit academically and financially from being slotted into a Bethesda school district. This is the battle at hand. I would suggest mcps investing money in making the DCC better and not diluting the W schools. Don’t fix what isn’t broken

That is not the summary. The summary is that a new school is being built and we need to figure out which kids will go there. There is no battle for your rich neighborhood, lol.

Then it’s simple. The kids that would have gone there when this school closed should now go there again. Tilden MS to Woodward, north bethesda ms to WJ. It’s worth noting north bethesda is a middle school and not a place.

So, let's make decisions based on what used to be the case in 1987?

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Anonymous wrote:The WJ community has been advocating for no split articulations for as long as they've been advocating to reopen Woodward (MCPS originally wanted to build WJ to 3500). Cannot believe there's over 50 pages of speculation and snark. The boundary process will start "early 2024" and go through Fall 2024, so we will all know soon enough what MCPS is proposong https://gis.mcpsmd.org/boundarystudypdfs/WoodwardHS_BoundaryStudyScope.pdf

But until then, by all means, carry on

By explicitly including the high schools and middle schools in the boundary study while excluding elementary schools, MCPS is either going to move ES's around wholesale or have split articulation. They'll struggle to make it work without split articulation.

Exactly. Part of the goal is to break the clusters, which was the impetus for the district wide boundary analysis. And despite some of the bizarre claims in this thread, the spilt articulations will be at the ES level, not the neighborhood level. Whole ESs will split articulate to different MSs and HSs.

Yes, but that all depends on where they draw the lines. Your idea of what constitutes a neighborhood may not match MCPS's.

Huh? They have explicitly committed to not looking at ES boundaries. So this is a shell game of moving around different ESs to assign to different MSs and HSs to maximize capacity while taking into account diversity and distance.

"Not looking at ES boundaries" only means that everyone will stay assigned to the ES they are at now. But they can and likely will take one or two neighborhoods within an ES zone and reassign them to a different MS and/or HS.

No they won’t and there are obvious and basic practical reasons why they won’t.

Go look at the Clarksburg/Northwest/Seneca Valley study, which was the most recent redrawing of HS boundaries. There were several places where they carved out one part of an ES, usually because it made sense due to proximity/walkability.

So in this dream you have where your house gets reassigned to BCC, how do they fit? The school has a spare capacity of 30 seats and there are thousands of new housing units being built in the walk zone.

+1 Quite obviously the only reason to include BCC and Whitman is to plan how to use available capacity at WJ to accommodate enrollment growth at those two schools due to current and future planned development. Woodard will be the outlet for DCC HS overcapacity, as MCPS has already committed.

Not exactly. Any school included in the boundary study may be an outlet for another school being overcapacity. The fact that Woodward is very inconveniently located for most DCC schools means there aren't a lot of sensible choices for rezoning them directly to Woodward. But they can stagger the reassignments in a westward direction to maximize walkers and shorten bus route times.

The whole point of a consortium is you can balance capacity. All 5 consortia schools are not bursting at the the seams they have mechanisms to balance this out without adding a school, they are just choosing not to do so

The only DCC school not currently over capacity is Kennedy (although it is projected to be right at capacity by the time Woodward opens). The Northwood expansion will help with its overcrowding and Blair’s overcrowding, but even with that it won’t relieve all of Blair’s overcrowding, and that doesn’t do anything for Wheaton and Einstein’s overcrowding.