new Reade/Biden thread

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I do not believe Biden.

At. All.

He is lying and now trying to cover it up.

Agree.

“I believe HER.”

[Anonymous]

Why is Joe afraid of getting investigated?

You must have missed him asking for an investigation on national television less than a week ago?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree with most of this. In Biden's case, the mainstream media was afraid of a backlash and of playing into the hands of Fox and the Bernie Bros. These two groups had different motives, but both were more than ready to accept everything uncritically. But I also think that, to some extent, the mainstream media sincerely wanted to hear Reade out.

Which begs the question: whither Me Too?

I think Me Too can and must be salvaged. I was assaulted. Personally, I never bought #BelieveAllWomen, instead I went with #ListenToAllWomen and/or #BelieveWomen as a presumption before investigating.

So how do we get the word out? That to the extent anybody besides Fox, some actresses, and the fringe left is using "Believe All Women," that needs to stop? That the point is very different? That it's about presuming she's telling the truth before investigating and deciding?

Fox will never change. But maybe the Bernie Bloggers will be a little more careful in the future? Or scratch that, maybe they still want to derail Biden and get their guy in.

Please understand that from a man's perspective, #BelieveAllWomen and #BelieveWomen are the same thing.

One of the thorny issues in resolving issues such as this is that while all allegations should be investigated, the reality is that any man who is accused is forever tarnished, even if the investigation reveals no culpable conduct. We need to find a way to responsibly investigate and responsibly clear the accused when the investigation indicates such.

[Anonymous]

All these Democrats who are saying "I believe Joe" are truly hypocrites.

Wonder if they believed him when he made these claims......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I want to know is why the mainstream media treated Reade with kid gloves.

I'm guessing this was actually out of respect for women. Because the Post and The NY Times didn't want to rule out any woman's story without waiting longer for the facts. They wanted to give their readers a chance to "listen to women" instead of shutting Reade down by exposing what they already knew.

Much of what's below has been known for at least a week among journalists familiar with the story. Fox undoubtedly knew. Fox, of course, continued to promote Reade's story hysterically (and the stupid Eva Murry claim on Saturday).

The NY Times or the WaPo could easily have put all this together for their readers, but they didn't; instead, the mainstream media sat on their hands.
- AP contacted 21 of Reade’s Senate coworkers, including 3 Reade said she told about the abuse, several weeks ago. All 21 denied knowing about it and the chief of staff issued a sharp rebuttal.

- WaPo contract all 5 of the people Reade said could corroborate her story, again weeks ago. 3 denied knowing about it, one confirmed shoulder rubbing but not the fingers, and the fifth confirmed but refused to go on the record.

- Reade's brother initially said he only knew about the shoulder massage. He later changed his story.

- Reade's own changing story, her baffling tweets of support for Biden's role championing women, et cetera.

- A grab bag of Reade's history of multiple sexual and racial (against her as a white woman) harassment claims, defrauding the horse charity, multiple GoFundMes she set up to grift money, lying during her bankruptcy filing. And a variety of bizarre and unnecessary lies (her journalist/PR father was a "powerful defense contractor" and she was a junior Olympic skier in an era when that didn't exist).

To me, the "liberal mainstream media" LISTENED TO WOMEN by holding all this information back instead of publishing a devastating piece. Fox gets no credit, in my book, for shrieking about Reade when they undoubtedly knew all this too.

No, the reason is that the #MeToo movement has gotten so extreme that anyone that doesn't reflexively believe any woman's accusation 100% without question and instantly condemn the man is subjected to scathing backlash. So, they held off, and researched the topic to find the inconsistencies, the issues and concerns and then reported her accusation with full disclosure to show that her claim was very problematic.

And even then, with all the details, there was still a huge backlash, and many people who criticized all of the objections saying that people should just believe Reade and that Biden needed to be removed as the Democratic presidential candidate only on his very problematic allegation. A case that would not even be close to admissible in court was being tried in the court of public opinion and half of the jury refused to read all of the issues and just automatically condemned him.

That's why #BelieveAllWomen is problematic. While false accusations are much smaller and less significant in general, when it comes to public figures, false accusations are significantly more likely to happen and we can't believe all women when it comes to public figures. Such allegations have to be vetted first and this was failed terribly. Fortunately the media was a little more conscientious than the mob.

+1,000,000
Well said. Hopefully the next time there is an accusation of sexual assault with little to no corroboration, it will be investigated thoroughly before the usual nitwits jump on the "he's guilty!!" bandwagon. Needless to say, most of the nitwits in question only do this if the accused is a Republican.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.

This must be satire.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.

About as much integrity as Fox. That is, integrity enough to keep pushing a story full of holes, that kept changing, and that nobody could confirm.

Listening to Reade is one thing. Calling for Biden to drop out based on this nothing burger is not integrity.

Oh, PLEASE. You just described MSM when the accused is a conservative. As we all know and have seen.

Yes, Mainstream Media wants a full accounting of Trump's two dozen accusers. If you don't think these should be investigated, you're a fraud and a hypocrite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Left twitter has integrity.

About as much integrity as Fox. That is, integrity enough to keep pushing a story full of holes, that kept changing, and that nobody could confirm.

Listening to Reade is one thing. Calling for Biden to drop out based on this nothing burger is not integrity.

Oh, PLEASE. You just described MSM when the accused is a conservative. As we all know and have seen.

Yes, Mainstream Media wants a full accounting of Trump's two dozen accusers. If you don't think these should be investigated, you're a fraud and a hypocrite.

Sure! Investigate them! Knock yourselves out. What's stopping you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the laughs!

The comments to Tucker's piece are hammering him. Most of the cons seem to have crawled away.

It's also amusing to watch Tucker do the limbo, twisting frantically between "liberals are hypocrites" and "we all need to be on our guard" against fake claims.

He's absolutely right. On both counts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that this isn't really working for the cons. Here's a poll that was taken April 30-May 4, before even Fox abandoned Reade.

About 37% of those surveyed said Reade's allegation was "probably true. But 1/3 of that group said they were voting for Biden anyway, proving that this election is really a referendum on whether people want 4 more years of Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-monmouth-poll/index.html

And, you see.... this is why we call out the hypocrisy of the left.
Thanks for pointing that out.

Stop deliberately misinterpreting.

Of the 37% who believe Reade, there's no evidence a single respondent said assault is OK. As CNN points out, they apparently think Trump's many assaults are worse and outweigh this single claim against Biden. Or they aren't voting on this single issue because they're also appalled by Trump's COVID mismanagement/racism/childish narcism/the list goes on and on.

Or, they are Democrats and hypocrites.

+100
Occam's razor, and all that.

[Anonymous]

A play in one act: "The Smell of Con Desperation"

"Hey Bubba, waddya think we do about Dear Leader's 24 sexual harassment allegations, now that Reade blew up in our faces."

"Dunno, Duane. This could really backfire on us."

"Maybe we can accuse the libs of hypocrisy!"

"Yasss! ... Oh wait, Reade lied."

"Who cares! It's all we got! Plug it hard!"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A play in one act: "The Smell of Con Desperation"

"Hey Bubba, waddya think we do about Dear Leader's 24 sexual harassment allegations, now that Reade blew up in our faces."

"Dunno, Duane. This could really backfire on us."

"Maybe we can accuse the libs of hypocrisy!"

"Yasss! ... Oh wait, Reade lied."

"Who cares! It's all we got! Plug it hard!"

Huh. This reminds me of something... can't quite put my finger on it... what could it be...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that this isn't really working for the cons. Here's a poll that was taken April 30-May 4, before even Fox abandoned Reade.

About 37% of those surveyed said Reade's allegation was "probably true. But 1/3 of that group said they were voting for Biden anyway, proving that this election is really a referendum on whether people want 4 more years of Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-monmouth-poll/index.html

And, you see.... this is why we call out the hypocrisy of the left.
Thanks for pointing that out.

Don’t care what you think. At all. I’m still voting for Biden.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that this isn't really working for the cons. Here's a poll that was taken April 30-May 4, before even Fox abandoned Reade.

About 37% of those surveyed said Reade's allegation was "probably true. But 1/3 of that group said they were voting for Biden anyway, proving that this election is really a referendum on whether people want 4 more years of Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-monmouth-poll/index.html

And, you see.... this is why we call out the hypocrisy of the left.
Thanks for pointing that out.

33 per cent of Republican voters thought Trump was unqualified but voted for him anyway. I am sure you are appalled at such hypocrisy on the right. Not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Interesting that this isn't really working for the cons. Here's a poll that was taken April 30-May 4, before even Fox abandoned Reade.

About 37% of those surveyed said Reade's allegation was "probably true. But 1/3 of that group said they were voting for Biden anyway, proving that this election is really a referendum on whether people want 4 more years of Trump.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/06/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-monmouth-poll/index.html

And, you see.... this is why we call out the hypocrisy of the left.
Thanks for pointing that out.

33 per cent of Republican voters thought Trump was unqualified but voted for him anyway. I am sure you are appalled at such hypocrisy on the right. Not.

Probably more than half of Republican voters were appalled by Trump’s sexual predation and pussy grabbing, but voted for him anyway. I’m sure pp is appalled. Not.