Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss Part II

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp

USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.

Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?

The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.

And the U19 age group only had 4 kids listing a European club. But either way your whole point is flawed as the kids in Europe were already scouted while in DA before they made their move to Europe. In fact it was DA that gave them the platform to be scouted by the European clubs. Pulisic was scouted by Dortmund while he played in DA.

DA is different than travel soccer, although both do a fair amount of traveling. Travel soccer in it's early teen years takes a very results-oriented path that can be followed through the USYS championships, cross-country tournaments, league games to stake a place in said championships and to win the league in different states, state cup championships, separately ODP can have a very involved path on its own.

That being said, you can have a travel club with it's diaspora of red/white/blue teams and it also have a DA team in various age groups that competes against other DA teams. They are not mutually exclusive. My point, which I don't believe you have countered if that was your intent, was that it seems the DA teams is where most players for the USMNT will be coming from. We as American's tend to outsource the quality control when we can, so collegiate soccer programs, if they have not already, will follow suit. It then follows that the national youth championships will be irrelevant, after all what are you the champion of if the majority of players serious about playing soccer in collegiate and professional teams aren't competing against you.

Let me say that facts are often insufficient, on their own, to persuade others. If you believe that you or your DC are champions of the United States then no one will be able to sway you from this belief.

Who made the claim that USYS National Championship or the US Club Soccer Championship means anything to anyone other than the kids playing in them? Certainly not me. And as far as DA and College soccer goes, US Soccer would prefer that capable players would turn pro and train in a professional environment as opposed to college.

If kids on NPL or USYS National quality level teams or below want to play in college they can play in college. There are spots available.

So it's not used as a college recruitment accomplishment?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/12/29/17/28/20171229-news-ynt-first-ever-us-soccer-mens-ynt-summit-brings-153-players-together-in-single-camp

USMNT summit, several players from the area are a the ding, was surprised to see the German club's have academy products. Also, didn't see any travel club's mentioned, just DA or European academies, a couple "unattached" including one from Manassas VA. For me, if there was any doubt the national championships and national league for both USYS and Club Soccer were irrelevant when it comes to being scouted by the US Soccer, this list of summit attendees removed all doubt. Onky parents and club's cashing in travel fees care about those championships.

Exactly what travel club do you expect U20 players to be training with? The list you looked at and are complaining about are college age kids now and are no longer affiliated with club soccer. ?

The summit has several age groups, you just have to read more. There are U19 age groups in club soccer, btw. They started after the age group change.

And the U19 age group only had 4 kids listing a European club. But either way your whole point is flawed as the kids in Europe were already scouted while in DA before they made their move to Europe. In fact it was DA that gave them the platform to be scouted by the European clubs. Pulisic was scouted by Dortmund while he played in DA.

DA is different than travel soccer, although both do a fair amount of traveling. Travel soccer in it's early teen years takes a very results-oriented path that can be followed through the USYS championships, cross-country tournaments, league games to stake a place in said championships and to win the league in different states, state cup championships, separately ODP can have a very involved path on its own.

That being said, you can have a travel club with it's diaspora of red/white/blue teams and it also have a DA team in various age groups that competes against other DA teams. They are not mutually exclusive. My point, which I don't believe you have countered if that was your intent, was that it seems the DA teams is where most players for the USMNT will be coming from. We as American's tend to outsource the quality control when we can, so collegiate soccer programs, if they have not already, will follow suit. It then follows that the national youth championships will be irrelevant, after all what are you the champion of if the majority of players serious about playing soccer in collegiate and professional teams aren't competing against you.

Let me say that facts are often insufficient, on their own, to persuade others. If you believe that you or your DC are champions of the United States then no one will be able to sway you from this belief.

Who made the claim that USYS National Championship or the US Club Soccer Championship means anything to anyone other than the kids playing in them? Certainly not me. And as far as DA and College soccer goes, US Soccer would prefer that capable players would turn pro and train in a professional environment as opposed to college.

If kids on NPL or USYS National quality level teams or below want to play in college they can play in college. There are spots available.

So it's not used as a college recruitment accomplishment?

A kid can list what they want to for their "accomplishments" but coaches recruit players not teams. Unless the college coach saw the game in question it kinda doesn't matter.

[Anonymous]

Hi:

Virginia Development Academy just announced ID day for next weekend.

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1227912

I have a daughter on the u15 squad and would be happy to respond to any friendly questions.

Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi:

I have a daughter on the u15 squad and would be happy to respond to any friendly questions.

Thanks.

My Son wants to try out (2007), do you know anything about the boys side?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hi:

Virginia Development Academy just announced ID day for next weekend.

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1227912

I have a daughter on the u15 squad and would be happy to respond to any friendly questions.

Thanks.

Thanks for the offer !
I would be interested to hear your feedback with regard to the quality of coaching and playing time. I know one of the big items for US Soccer is to focus on practice, not games, but the generally large size of DA rosters for local teams creates less playing time in general than you would typically get at the next level down. It looks like there are 20 on the VDA 03GDA roster for example, meaning that 2 players are not rostered for any given game, and some of the 18 actives may not play as well. I am specifically interested in how VDA handles the rotation and if there are playing time issues amongst the players as a result.

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Especially since they're not all that big on substitutions. When you add the fact that 2 players will be redshirted every game, seems like there's people who are there just for the status of being on the team.

[Anonymous]

Spirit DA ID sessions:

https://washingtonspirit.wishpond.com/va-da-id-session-winter-2018/

[Anonymous]

2007 boy living in Reston wants to try out for DA. Which one has the shortest or fastest commute for weekday practices? What’s the ball park annual costs? Thanks.

[Anonymous]

I'd say wait til he's going into 11v11 (U13-14) to put him in DA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'd say wait til he's going into 11v11 (U13-14) to put him in DA.

I agree. Though we are pushing it after U-14. My kid is a young birth year (late Fall). So at U14, he is still 13 almost the entire year.

He is getting really fantastic training now and takes many overseas trips for training and tournaments. He would not be able to do that if he were with DA and their restrictions. The European coaches we've talked to said they wouldn't make any moves prior to age 16--that goes for any residential academies or anywhere with long commutes, etc---provided the training is quality.

He has many friends that jumped into pre-DA teams at U11 and now at U13 many of those kids have not progressed as far as the boys with more varied training.

[Anonymous]

Thanks for your replies. Could you recommend any good travel teams in the Reston area that provide quality training?

[Anonymous]

03 VDA Girls Parent -- How would you describe the coaching, the players and parents for the VDA 03 girls team? I have heard a mix bag but not actually from a parent directly. Also from what I am putting together VDA is significantly less than the Spirit program. Can you share pricing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi:

Virginia Development Academy just announced ID day for next weekend.

http://www.vdasoccer.org/Default.aspx?tabid=1227912

I have a daughter on the u15 squad and would be happy to respond to any friendly questions.

Thanks.

Thanks for the offer !
I would be interested to hear your feedback with regard to the quality of coaching and playing time. I know one of the big items for US Soccer is to focus on practice, not games, but the generally large size of DA rosters for local teams creates less playing time in general than you would typically get at the next level down. It looks like there are 20 on the VDA 03GDA roster for example, meaning that 2 players are not rostered for any given game, and some of the 18 actives may not play as well. I am specifically interested in how VDA handles the rotation and if there are playing time issues amongst the players as a result.

03 VDA Girls Parent -- How would you describe the coaching, the players and parents for the VDA 03 girls team? I have heard a mix bag but not actually from a parent directly. Also from what I am putting together VDA is significantly less than the Spirit program. Can you share pricing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd say wait til he's going into 11v11 (U13-14) to put him in DA.

I agree. Though we are pushing it after U-14. My kid is a young birth year (late Fall). So at U14, he is still 13 almost the entire year.

He is getting really fantastic training now and takes many overseas trips for training and tournaments. He would not be able to do that if he were with DA and their restrictions. The European coaches we've talked to said they wouldn't make any moves prior to age 16--that goes for any residential academies or anywhere with long commutes, etc---provided the training is quality.

He has many friends that jumped into pre-DA teams at U11 and now at U13 many of those kids have not progressed as far as the boys with more varied training.

Do what works for you and your kid. Sounds like you found a good formula.

[Anonymous]

I've seen Reston FC teams that play very proactive soccer but my only experience with the club is at the 02 level.