Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:From the previously link Ocean Gate webpage:

"Titan is the only manned submersible to employ an integrated real-time health monitoring system. Utilizing co-located acoustic sensors and strain gauges throughout the pressure boundary, the RTM system makes it possible to analyze the effects of changing pressure on the vessel as the submersible dives deeper, and accurately assess the integrity of the structure. This onboard health analysis monitoring system provides early warning detection for the pilot with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface."

the question is - if they lost power and all communication ability -- does this monitoring system even work?

Did it ever work?

No one knows since they declined government/industry oversight.

I think it did, because they said on the last trip they lost communication for a short while, but were able to find them or otherwise recover quickly.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/19/titanic-tourist-sub-was-lost-for-a-few-hours-last-year-during-trip/

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Anonymous wrote:Once past the window of this being a rescue, I do not see the value in attempting to bring the Titan back to the surface.

Unless the families are willing to pay for the recovery efforts, it seems to me that it should be left where it is.

Anyone disagree? I’m interested in hearing the other side if so.

I don’t think the government should be involved in a rescue attempt, unless there is some military angle to this they are not disclosing. A billionaire who is high on his own supply is stuck in the water with four “crew members” who were fully informed and signed detailed waivers. This is not a problem that ethically requires anyone else’s action or risk-taking.

Live as a libertarian who thinks your money protects you, die as a libertarian who thinks your money protects you.

How do you know they’re libertarians? What on earth?

Who knows what their own description of their philosophies would be? although the various interviews the CEO gave smacked strongly of longtermism—by all means read about it if you aren’t already familiar with this vital contribution of 21st c. billionaires to philosophy.

But the behavior leading to this—rejecting regulation, earned expertise and the idea of natural limits on human endeavor—is straight out of the Ayn Rand playbook.

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I just want to say that I am sending positive vibes to these brave submariners, and I wish for a miraculous rescue. But I also think they are f'n morons.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you people picking on the fact that they were rich? I don’t understand how it’s relevant.

It’s wrong to pick on them though I do think it’s relevant. Bring rich gives people access to do some risky things that make them feel special: Private planes, trips into space, race cars, the depths of the sea…and they do a lot of these things without the knowledge or respect for the seriousness of the adventures.

I’m married to a not rich pilot. I can tell you I would never fly in a private plane and I would never think I could fly myself to my cousins wedding at night. Because I understand the training needed and how important is. Their confidence and money sometimes kill them.

The rich people are the reason this trip could take place, which was not just a sightseeing tour, it’s other purpose is to monitor the titanic site from a preservation and identification perspective.

BS. The wreck has been down there for over a century. What “preservation and identification” needs to be done now?

It's disintegrating. Soon it will be gone, by 2030 according to one estimate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/titanic-shipwreck-disappearing-dive-reveals-2019-9

So what? Why do people need to go down to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine? It can be documented with machines ie the ones seen in the titanic movie.

Additionally, it’s a shipwreck from 110 years ago. Why does it need be revisited at this point?

Why do people insist on visiting those pesky pyramids? Extremely dangerous in Egypt.

Why do all those people go to Israel to visit those sites, don’t they know how dangerous it is on that plot of land?

+ a million

How many people died visiting the pyramids in the past year?

How many have died visiting the titanic in the past year? Now that banging has been heard in the area, all those posters who swore up and down they were dead and the vehicle imploded are looking mighty foolish!

Oh dear. The one looking foolish here is you.

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Anonymous wrote:I just want to say that I am sending positive vibes to these brave submariners, and I wish for a miraculous rescue. But I also think they are f'n morons.

This is a normal response. One can think they’re morons without being insensitive and crass

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Anonymous wrote:$250,000 per person.

This is some massive irony here, if they aren't rescued.

Why, I don't understand.

This is almost the definition of irony. People die tragically at sea after having spent a quarter million to gawk at people who died tragically at sea.

got it. I understand now, thanks

Not to mention that the Titanic was very expensive and people like an Astor and Mr. and Mrs. Strauss, who owned a department store, died in the wreck. The designer and owner thought it was unsinkable and said so, and did not equip it with enough lifeboats because of that belief. Hubris, and a bit of hubris too to take this voyage to see it. On the sea floor. Plus the expense and elitism that is an echo of the Titanic.

Most ships do not have enough lifeboats even today. If a ship is sinking, half the lifeboats rapidly become unusable anyway, bc the ship is probably listing to the side and half of them are out of the water along with the exposed side of the ship.

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Anonymous wrote:“Safety is pure waste,” said submersible CEO now trapped in unrescuable submersible:

https://bestlifeonline.com/missing-titanic-submarine-ceo-safety-is-waste-news/

There's a sad video on said CEO explaining why he didn't want to hire any more military & submarine experts...they were middle-aged and white. The horror.

Link, please.

https://nypost.com/2023/06/21/why-stockton-rush-didnt-hire-50-year-old-white-guys-for-titanic-sub-tours/

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love that oceangate’s lawyer is complaining that the us government isn’t helping enough

really where did you hear that??

Well twitter is currently roasting him for a Facebook post but here’s an article: https://www.insider.com/titanic-submersible-rescue-equipment-delayed-by-us-officials-advisor-2023-6?amp

Man, I should really do my job

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love that oceangate’s lawyer is complaining that the us government isn’t helping enough

really where did you hear that??

Well twitter is currently roasting him for a Facebook post but here’s an article: https://www.insider.com/titanic-submersible-rescue-equipment-delayed-by-us-officials-advisor-2023-6?amp

Man, I should really do my job

um. same.

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Anonymous wrote:From the previously link Ocean Gate webpage:

"Titan is the only manned submersible to employ an integrated real-time health monitoring system. Utilizing co-located acoustic sensors and strain gauges throughout the pressure boundary, the RTM system makes it possible to analyze the effects of changing pressure on the vessel as the submersible dives deeper, and accurately assess the integrity of the structure. This onboard health analysis monitoring system provides early warning detection for the pilot with enough time to arrest the descent and safely return to surface."

The whistleblower report said it gave tge pilot just milliseconds to react. It basically measures how much the exterior is cracking under pressure.

the question is - if they lost power and all communication ability -- does this monitoring system even work?

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love that oceangate’s lawyer is complaining that the us government isn’t helping enough

really where did you hear that??

Well twitter is currently roasting him for a Facebook post but here’s an article: https://www.insider.com/titanic-submersible-rescue-equipment-delayed-by-us-officials-advisor-2023-6?amp

Man, I should really do my job

The entitlement is mind-blowing! “We have assets ready to go and the government isn’t signing off.” They are the government’s assets—they do not belong to you just because you are billionaires who want things! Unreal

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like just another entry in a long list of recipients of the Darwin Awards.

Yes, but so were a lot of the contraptions on the way to inventing the airplane.

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Anonymous wrote:one of the members of the 5 is a retired French navy diver. apparently tapping every 30 minutes is a navy call signal and not something random. I think they are or at least were still alive.

I kind of feel like that guy will kill the other adults to try to keep someone alive longer.

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Anonymous wrote:A vehicle the size of a mini-van with a bottle and Ziploc bags for a toilet. Viewing portal tested to 1400 meters’ depth and they were going down 14,000 feet. Controller made from a GameBoy.

The level of delusion involved in boarding this craft is shocking. It’s hard not to see it as a form of suicide.

Hadn’t it made successful trips before? I agree that it was obviously taking on huge risk, but they probably saw it had been done safely before.

Also, in general we trust that something like this won't be allowed to operate without some sufficient oversight. We trust this every time we get on an airplane or buy a new car, or get on a ride at an amusement park. We trust it when we participate in anything that, of course, has risks - but aren't there guardrails in place to prevent some yahoo from simply taking $250k from whoever wants to pay it and sending them 12,500 feet down without some sort of oversight and inspection?

Of course there can always be an accident, something can always go wrong - but is the system built to go wrong? I guess it turns out it is - but I don't think it's crazy for the people who bought their seats on this doomed ride to have believed that this insane company wouldn't have been allowed to do this unless someone without a financial stake in the company thought it was safe. I know this is an extreme case - but I just don't think you can blame the people who participated for not knowing how unregulated this turned out to be. Or accuse them of wanting to die.

This is just so horrific.

And the migrant boat sinking is also horrific. It's sort of the opposite end of the same spectrum. Though I don't know anyone thinks the migrant boats are safe - it's just the people willing to take them are that desperate.

I think this is the huge difference in wrapping my mind around these two events. I understand the risk of the migrants because they are in a disadvantaged position where the gamble may be worth it. I can also envision how a boat sinks.

But with the submersible, my brain is just trying to fathom the extreme darkness and pressure that deep in the ocean. I don’t understand the risk of very well off people wanting to get on something not well regulated. And just to see the titanic on a video monitor anyway. What is the bonus of being that far below the sea, just to say you did it? Seems reckless without much upside.

Completely agree - but wanted to add there is a portal they can look through at one end of the vessel but its small. I saw a photo somewhere of an individual who had done this trip before and the photo was like a selfie with his face and the portal showing the titanic.

A selfie? So they died for social media clout?

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta love that oceangate’s lawyer is complaining that the us government isn’t helping enough

really where did you hear that??

Well twitter is currently roasting him for a Facebook post but here’s an article: https://www.insider.com/titanic-submersible-rescue-equipment-delayed-by-us-officials-advisor-2023-6?amp

Man, I should really do my job

Oh please sorry we aren’t rushing to send our taxpayer funded military resources out to rescue foreign billionaires. Why are we even doing this? I have no desire to subsidize idiot billionaire adrenaline seekers? What is the US interest here? Are they going pay us back for all this? Are we putting service members at risk for them? That’s some ridiculous billionaire audacity here.