Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

Her new album *is* bland - that’s what many of us who know her last four albums think. Those albums were masterpieces, each in their own way. The new one isn’t.

Masterpiece and any of Taylor Swift album should never be used in the same sentence.

So you’ve clearly never listened to Midnights, Evermore, Folklore, or TTPD. Just admit it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well here’s a positive- Taylor purposefully crediting George Michael as a writer instead of sampling the “master” which he never owned…. Ensuring the royalties go to his estate, not the people who bought his art as an asset.

I didn’t even think her Father Figure sounded anything like his.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

Her new album *is* bland - that’s what many of us who know her last four albums think. Those albums were masterpieces, each in their own way. The new one isn’t.

Masterpiece and any of Taylor Swift album should never be used in the same sentence.

So you’ve clearly never listened to Midnights, Evermore, Folklore, or TTPD. Just admit it.

NP and I’ve listened to TTPD. It’s not a masterpiece.

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Here’s some more of her Jimmy Fallon interview where she explains the inspiration behind some of the new songs. The resident race-baiters might want to take note. “Opalite” has nothing to do with race.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

Her new album *is* bland - that’s what many of us who know her last four albums think. Those albums were masterpieces, each in their own way. The new one isn’t.

Masterpiece and any of Taylor Swift album should never be used in the same sentence.

So you’ve clearly never listened to Midnights, Evermore, Folklore, or TTPD. Just admit it.

NP and I’ve listened to TTPD. It’s not a masterpiece.

We’ll just agree to disagree.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

She was on Fallon talking about him as if he is front lines in Ukraine or a firefighter running into a burning building to save children.

Yeah football is dangerous but in the same way as a stunt man’s job is dangerous or drag racing is dangerous. Travis Kelce is doing it not out of societal necessity but as a choice.

The fact that Taylor seems to put him in the first category and not the second suggests to me that she might be infatuated.

She's exaggerating the danger and braveness of Travis's occupation because he's just a shallow dumb meathead playing a kid's sport. She is desperately trying to make him seem more interesting than he actually is. There's no there there, so she exaggerates. It's giving . . . insecure about the putz she settled for, in contrast to the hot edgy witty creative British boys this Anglophile has been obsessed with most of her life.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

Her new album *is* bland - that’s what many of us who know her last four albums think. Those albums were masterpieces, each in their own way. The new one isn’t.

Masterpiece and any of Taylor Swift album should never be used in the same sentence.

So you’ve clearly never listened to Midnights, Evermore, Folklore, or TTPD. Just admit it.

I promise my taste in music is more eclectic than yours which is why I can confidently say she makes and has always made tween music. If you like it , fine .

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I’m not a big commenter. I have to say, for weeks, someone on here is so obsessed with Matthew. Let it go. That was at this point, years ago. He turned out to completely break her heart. Not attractive when someone rejects.

Go join his fan club but Taylor is not choosing him. He didn’t even choose her. Stop.

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*matty. Autocorrect but it’s funny

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Anonymous wrote:*matty. Autocorrect but it’s funny

I liked the typo! Why should he have a cutesy name like Matty, he's not a 2 year old baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

She was on Fallon talking about him as if he is front lines in Ukraine or a firefighter running into a burning building to save children.

Yeah football is dangerous but in the same way as a stunt man’s job is dangerous or drag racing is dangerous. Travis Kelce is doing it not out of societal necessity but as a choice.

The fact that Taylor seems to put him in the first category and not the second suggests to me that she might be infatuated.

She's exaggerating the danger and braveness of Travis's occupation because he's just a shallow dumb meathead playing a kid's sport. She is desperately trying to make him seem more interesting than he actually is. There's no there there, so she exaggerates. It's giving . . . insecure about the putz she settled for, in contrast to the hot edgy witty creative British boys this Anglophile has been obsessed with most of her life.

Most of her life. And then she didn’t. Why are you still spinning your wheels over it? Those guys look like they smell bad and have substance abuse issues which permanently alter their brains. Probably would damage future kids too. Hard pass.

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Anonymous wrote:And to finish….the album is fake & PR so is the Kelce romance. Completely transactional. No way she is serious about this Sasquatch. She’s got damage control to do and is still licking her wounds.

Please go take your meds.

Well, least I’m not boring. Lololol

Not boring? You’re spending a day talking about someone that’s clearly not your cup of tea. Um….

+1

I’m actually one of the posters who actually likes Taylor but I see what’s happening for what it is. She doesn’t really hide it, it’s all out there. Her image has always been her number one priority. It’s why Matty ghosted her because she wouldn’t stand up to her fans when they were calling in death threats and trying to ruin his career. She sings about this to a great extent in TTPD. As far as Kelce goes, he might be good for her All American girl image and MH embarrassment damage control but she’s too way waaaayy too good for him. He's gross shallow and dumb. Taylor deserves better. I’m rooting for her. But he is not it. It’s all so messy.

If she could do better,she would. She can't .

Taylor gives off crazy cat lady vibes. No man wants to be associated with her unless it financially benefits them.

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Anonymous wrote:And to finish….the album is fake & PR so is the Kelce romance. Completely transactional. No way she is serious about this Sasquatch. She’s got damage control to do and is still licking her wounds.

Please go take your meds.

Well, least I’m not boring. Lololol

Not boring? You’re spending a day talking about someone that’s clearly not your cup of tea. Um….

+1

I’m actually one of the posters who actually likes Taylor but I see what’s happening for what it is. She doesn’t really hide it, it’s all out there. Her image has always been her number one priority. It’s why Matty ghosted her because she wouldn’t stand up to her fans when they were calling in death threats and trying to ruin his career. She sings about this to a great extent in TTPD. As far as Kelce goes, he might be good for her All American girl image and MH embarrassment damage control but she’s too way waaaayy too good for him. He's gross shallow and dumb. Taylor deserves better. I’m rooting for her. But he is not it. It’s all so messy.

If she could do better,she would. She can't .

Taylor gives off crazy cat lady vibes. No man wants to be associated with her unless it financially benefits them.

It works for men why can’t it work for women?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And to finish….the album is fake & PR so is the Kelce romance. Completely transactional. No way she is serious about this Sasquatch. She’s got damage control to do and is still licking her wounds.

Please go take your meds.

Well, least I’m not boring. Lololol

Not boring? You’re spending a day talking about someone that’s clearly not your cup of tea. Um….

+1

I’m actually one of the posters who actually likes Taylor but I see what’s happening for what it is. She doesn’t really hide it, it’s all out there. Her image has always been her number one priority. It’s why Matty ghosted her because she wouldn’t stand up to her fans when they were calling in death threats and trying to ruin his career. She sings about this to a great extent in TTPD. As far as Kelce goes, he might be good for her All American girl image and MH embarrassment damage control but she’s too way waaaayy too good for him. He's gross shallow and dumb. Taylor deserves better. I’m rooting for her. But he is not it. It’s all so messy.

If she could do better,she would. She can't .

Taylor gives off crazy cat lady vibes. No man wants to be associated with her unless it financially benefits them.

I don’t think it is about her being a cat lady but I imagine it is nerve wracking to date her. Her fanbase is intense and will chew men up and spit them out.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.