ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:The reason for low numbers in soccer is not because of Sy/by. Miss me with that playing with friends crap, you sound like a simp.

The reason for the low numbers is because Soccer is not the majority of American’s preferred sport to play and watch.

It’s not often you see entire families sit around to watch and support a soccer team like they do nfl and nba.

Also, I can bet you that in most soccer teams parents still don’t understand the rules of the game and don’t care to sit and wait for development.

That is the reason for poor numbers in soccer. Do you think the fastest football players in the US have considered playing soccer? Chances are no. Because they don’t understand it, because it’s not their parents preferred sport.

It’s not because of friends in school. Stop with that nonsense.

And yet U.S. Soccer removed the birth year mandate to allow leagues to use school year age cutoffs based in large part to increase the numbers in soccer.

No, they left it up to the governing bodies so that whichever league fails, it will be from their own choices.

ECNL wants US Soccer to mandate it so that when things go south they will point fingers at USSF.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

How does your kid playing kids a grade level below produce competitive players? If you can only play when you are 6-12 months older...you kid is simply not good...and never will be. I get that you really want to believe your BY kid is naturally good...and that goes away with a switch to SY...but your kid will never be a good player in the long run anyways. Eventually they will have to play against kids their own age.

Nice deflection, but the question still remains unanswered.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

How does your kid playing kids a grade level below produce competitive players? If you can only play when you are 6-12 months older...you kid is simply not good...and never will be. I get that you really want to believe your BY kid is naturally good...and that goes away with a switch to SY...but your kid will never be a good player in the long run anyways. Eventually they will have to play against kids their own age.

Nice deflection, but the question still remains unanswered.

And the question about how school year making kids more competitive still hasn’t been answered either. Both have pros and cons. Only difference is ECNL is trying to fully align with a dying college soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

How does your kid playing kids a grade level below produce competitive players? If you can only play when you are 6-12 months older...you kid is simply not good...and never will be. I get that you really want to believe your BY kid is naturally good...and that goes away with a switch to SY...but your kid will never be a good player in the long run anyways. Eventually they will have to play against kids their own age.

Nice deflection, but the question still remains unanswered.

And the question about how school year making kids more competitive still hasn’t been answered either. Both have pros and cons. Only difference is ECNL is trying to fully align with a dying college soccer.

Having both SY and BY for high level travel will make things most competitive. No reason for all of youth soccer to limit it to just one.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

How does your kid playing kids a grade level below produce competitive players? If you can only play when you are 6-12 months older...you kid is simply not good...and never will be. I get that you really want to believe your BY kid is naturally good...and that goes away with a switch to SY...but your kid will never be a good player in the long run anyways. Eventually they will have to play against kids their own age.

Nice deflection, but the question still remains unanswered.

And the question about how school year making kids more competitive still hasn’t been answered either. Both have pros and cons. Only difference is ECNL is trying to fully align with a dying college soccer.

Pretty sure they are trying to align with school year.... like how every other country in the world does.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there will have to be both SY and BY options. SY leagues will be less competitive and embrace younger players who prioritize playing with friends and participation for all. BY will be for most competitive players and teams that want to remain aligned with national and international standards.

This is how I see things going as well.

Agree x1000%

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there will have to be both SY and BY options. SY leagues will be less competitive and embrace younger players who prioritize playing with friends and participation for all. BY will be for most competitive players and teams that want to remain aligned with national and international standards.

This is how I see things going as well.

Agree x1000%

The only league that will stay BY is MLS Next...which is the most competitive league for boys...but they don't start until u13...so by that time...there wont be many Q1Q2 birthdays left anyways playing at the top level.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Maybe they are giving rides to the kid who's homelife isn't good and doesn't have that type of support but is gifted athletically.

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

Maybe the parents of mediocre players are giving rides to the underprivileged high ceiling athlete.

Maybe there will be a LeBron James- who would have been the best soccer player in the world..had his mom signed up for soccer. But she didn't because he is a December birthday and wanted to play his friends when he was 5- so started with basketball- and we all know how that went.

And we all know people who focused on basketball would make the best soccer players, because the best soccer players didn't focus on soccer

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Anonymous wrote:Who is the pro players kid?

Major league baseball player. Both he and his dad were MLB. The daughter has freakish abilities + you can tell that if she worked at it could get 10x better.

It's amazing to watch a player that's bigger faster younger etc etc etc + everything is just natural ability.

Natural ability has a limited shelf life

I saw Trinity Rodman play as a youth for Blues at Surf Cup. I've seen ridiculous youth natural ability.

For many natural ability does fade. But for some it does not. They will always be bigger, faster, and stronger than their competition.

These are the type of players that are on pro and national teams. RAE doesn't come into the picture. These are also the type of players on top youth teams.

RAE might matter at the littles rec levels but it does not at the highest youth competitive levels. This is why ECNL partnering with littles leagues on SY isn't a good choice. If you're playing at the highest levels SY or BY doesn't matter.

Rodman is probably one of the most overrated players ever. She has the soccer IQ of a middle schooler, the soccer skill of a HSer, in the body of an elite athlete. Almost every game she plays I want to throw the remote. For every highlight, she makes 50 boneheaded mistakes that are totally unacceptable for a NT player.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Again, for the millionth time on this chat, this is to increase the number of younger kids in the game. Not teens or pre-teens. Because the more younger kids in the game, the larger the player pool in the sport that can go on to create great players as they advance to pre-teens and teens. And all younger kids enjoy sports where they get to play and win with their friends.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Again, for the millionth time on this chat, this is to increase the number of younger kids in the game. Not teens or pre-teens. Because the more younger kids in the game, the larger the player pool in the sport that can go on to create great players as they advance to pre-teens and teens. And all younger kids enjoy sports where they get to play and win with their friends.

Exactly how does SY increase participation?
Will schools be forming their own ECNL teams based on home rooms?

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

It’s soo funny reading all the BY parent comments…stop living through your children and let them just have fun…BY parents don’t like the switch to SY because it is to their disadvantage. Yes, we need a bigger base to pick from and more kids involved so SY is better to ID talent….

Makes no sense. Assuming you are referring to identifying talent for the highest competition levels at national or international — but these levels are BY aligned and so the base to pick from stays exactly as is now. SY does not change that base.

One of the benefits is SY (along with decreasing the number of trapped players) is increasing the number of players in the sport, as more kids stay with the sport longer since they get to play with their friends from school in their grade.

That is false.

This is being trotted out as a justification for the switch by ECNL in “solidarity” with their rec partners, USYS and AYSO.

But let’s be clear, there is zero proof that SY will increase or prolong participation. In fact there is plenty of evidence that the 13/14 year cliff is not sport or age cutoff specific. The SY switch will be an experiment in which over the next 10 years or so we can see if there is any sustained uptick in participation - but as of right now it is only a hypothesis.

And I’m pointing this out as SY supporter!

The reports disagree with you. And yes, I of course support the move to SY. You’d have to be a selfish person not to. If only to minimize trapped players. But there are also benefits to moving to SY and most of the rest of the world uses SY (those whose SY is same as BY and those whose SY is similar to the U.S.)

I’m pointing this poster out as a selfish BY honk.

Just because you want something to be so, doesn’t make it so. Are you a child?

Please, point us to the reportS that:
1) show a school year age cutoff increases participation in soccer.
2) shows that a school year age cutoff reduces the early teen sports participation cliff (70+% of kids quoting organized sports between 12&14).

And for clarification, a report is not:
-An article on a forum quoting people who theorize about the effects
-a YouTube / blog / tweet by some rando (official or not)
- a paragraph on a marketing summary that states a hypothesis based on information not contained or studied in the document it’s written

A report has empirical data illustrating the testing or study if the data.

I know what you’ll produce will either be nothing OR something that sustains your ignorance of this subject. But go on, try, maybe you’ll learn something.

2 pieces of factual data were presented in support. No factual data was presented against. Don’t ask for more facts when 1.) some facts have already been presented (even if you don’t like them), and 2.) no facts have been presented against.

Do your own homework and stop whining.

BS. No data has been present showing SY increases participation. No data has been presented showing SY decreases quits. You’re lying, AND, you can’t prove otherwise, so you’re trying to put the burden of truth on other people.

Doesn’t work that way. You made the claim, you put up the proof. Or…you’re just a gaslighting liar…

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Anonymous wrote:Your kid doing the minimum at BY and is middle to low performer not showing high future potential isn't going to become Gavi with a switch to SY

Your statement doesn't make sense.

SY teams would be 6 months older than BY.

What I think you were trying to say is not very good SY players shouldn't expect to become superstars just by switching to BY. Assuming they can play "down" in BY depending on what month they were born.

Overall it would be nice to have different options so parents can't claim RAE as the booyman holding their kid back or giving them an advantage.

How does SY or BY today/tomorrow change who you were/are/will be as a player, especially if you're mediocre or lesser?

It doesn't at the highest levels.

I was just playing along with the RAE/DEI im a victim disciple.

Ironically, you appear to be labeling yourself a victim with the change from BY to SY.

I am convinced that you’re the most terrified SY supporting parent on this thread. What will your excuse be when this switch doesn’t work out in your favor? Will that be the last straw? Will you pull your kid out then?

I don't actually want SY. I want RAE reduced so our adult national teams can have a larger bases to pick from and then actually have shot compete for high level international tournaments.

It’s soo funny reading all the BY parent comments…stop living through your children and let them just have fun…BY parents don’t like the switch to SY because it is to their disadvantage. Yes, we need a bigger base to pick from and more kids involved so SY is better to ID talent….

Makes no sense. Assuming you are referring to identifying talent for the highest competition levels at national or international — but these levels are BY aligned and so the base to pick from stays exactly as is now. SY does not change that base.

One of the benefits is SY (along with decreasing the number of trapped players) is increasing the number of players in the sport, as more kids stay with the sport longer since they get to play with their friends from school in their grade.

That is false.

This is being trotted out as a justification for the switch by ECNL in “solidarity” with their rec partners, USYS and AYSO.

But let’s be clear, there is zero proof that SY will increase or prolong participation. In fact there is plenty of evidence that the 13/14 year cliff is not sport or age cutoff specific. The SY switch will be an experiment in which over the next 10 years or so we can see if there is any sustained uptick in participation - but as of right now it is only a hypothesis.

And I’m pointing this out as SY supporter!

The reports disagree with you. And yes, I of course support the move to SY. You’d have to be a selfish person not to. If only to minimize trapped players. But there are also benefits to moving to SY and most of the rest of the world uses SY (those whose SY is same as BY and those whose SY is similar to the U.S.)

I’m pointing this poster out as a selfish BY honk.

Just because you want something to be so, doesn’t make it so. Are you a child?

Please, point us to the reportS that:
1) show a school year age cutoff increases participation in soccer.
2) shows that a school year age cutoff reduces the early teen sports participation cliff (70+% of kids quoting organized sports between 12&14).

And for clarification, a report is not:
-An article on a forum quoting people who theorize about the effects
-a YouTube / blog / tweet by some rando (official or not)
- a paragraph on a marketing summary that states a hypothesis based on information not contained or studied in the document it’s written

A report has empirical data illustrating the testing or study if the data.

I know what you’ll produce will either be nothing OR something that sustains your ignorance of this subject. But go on, try, maybe you’ll learn something.

2 pieces of factual data were presented in support. No factual data was presented against. Don’t ask for more facts when 1.) some facts have already been presented (even if you don’t like them), and 2.) no facts have been presented against.

Do your own homework and stop whining.

BS. No data has been present showing SY increases participation. No data has been presented showing SY decreases quits. You’re lying, AND, you can’t prove otherwise, so you’re trying to put the burden of truth on other people.

Doesn’t work that way. You made the claim, you put up the proof. Or…you’re just a gaslighting liar…

Where is the data from the league that recently changed from BY to SY and enrollments increased?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason for low numbers in soccer is not because of Sy/by. Miss me with that playing with friends crap, you sound like a simp.

The reason for the low numbers is because Soccer is not the majority of American’s preferred sport to play and watch.

It’s not often you see entire families sit around to watch and support a soccer team like they do nfl and nba.

Also, I can bet you that in most soccer teams parents still don’t understand the rules of the game and don’t care to sit and wait for development.

That is the reason for poor numbers in soccer. Do you think the fastest football players in the US have considered playing soccer? Chances are no. Because they don’t understand it, because it’s not their parents preferred sport.

It’s not because of friends in school. Stop with that nonsense.

So why is it that the number of kids playing lacrosse is going way up? Because families watch it on TV as a family and parents understand the rules of the game?