ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

The reason for low numbers in soccer is not because of Sy/by. Miss me with that playing with friends crap, you sound like a simp.

The reason for the low numbers is because Soccer is not the majority of American’s preferred sport to play and watch.

It’s not often you see entire families sit around to watch and support a soccer team like they do nfl and nba.

Also, I can bet you that in most soccer teams parents still don’t understand the rules of the game and don’t care to sit and wait for development.

That is the reason for poor numbers in soccer. Do you think the fastest football players in the US have considered playing soccer? Chances are no. Because they don’t understand it, because it’s not their parents preferred sport.

It’s not because of friends in school. Stop with that nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason for low numbers in soccer is not because of Sy/by. Miss me with that playing with friends crap, you sound like a simp.

The reason for the low numbers is because Soccer is not the majority of American’s preferred sport to play and watch.

It’s not often you see entire families sit around to watch and support a soccer team like they do nfl and nba.

Also, I can bet you that in most soccer teams parents still don’t understand the rules of the game and don’t care to sit and wait for development.

That is the reason for poor numbers in soccer. Do you think the fastest football players in the US have considered playing soccer? Chances are no. Because they don’t understand it, because it’s not their parents preferred sport.

It’s not because of friends in school. Stop with that nonsense.

And yet U.S. Soccer removed the birth year mandate to allow leagues to use school year age cutoffs based in large part to increase the numbers in soccer.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

Why does aligning with part of the world on youth age soccer cutoffs matter? Are foreign nations copying our basketball age cutoffs to compete?

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

Why does aligning with part of the world on youth age soccer cutoffs matter? Are foreign nations copying our basketball age cutoffs to compete?

Do you ever make statements, or is everything a question for you?

It gets old.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

Why does aligning with part of the world on youth age soccer cutoffs matter? Are foreign nations copying our basketball age cutoffs to compete?

Do you ever make statements, or is everything a question for you?

It gets old.

Just to be clear this was written because it's 100x easier to make others always explain their position + then you try to poke holes in it.

It's much harder to articulate a position then try to explain and defend it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The reason for low numbers in soccer is not because of Sy/by. Miss me with that playing with friends crap, you sound like a simp.

The reason for the low numbers is because Soccer is not the majority of American’s preferred sport to play and watch.

It’s not often you see entire families sit around to watch and support a soccer team like they do nfl and nba.

Also, I can bet you that in most soccer teams parents still don’t understand the rules of the game and don’t care to sit and wait for development.

That is the reason for poor numbers in soccer. Do you think the fastest football players in the US have considered playing soccer? Chances are no. Because they don’t understand it, because it’s not their parents preferred sport.

It’s not because of friends in school. Stop with that nonsense.

well spoken like a true American redneck

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

The rest of the world aligns their soccer cutoff with their school year. So not exactly the same. Why we would need to align with the rest of world? Our youth soccer programs don't play each other, outside of the USYNT, which is not affected by this. Top programs in most the world are not concerned with youth tournaments. Only parents in the US are worried about the ranking of their kids youth team.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…

The simple answer is to align with the rest of the world. There has not been many issued using BY. It’s ecnl trying to keep a good relationship with colleges to make it easier for them to recruit.

At the end of the day, if your kids is not D1 caliber now (BY), they won’t be D1 caliber then (SY). The stink follows them.

You can tell a D1 kid from a mile away. If your kid doesn’t fall in that scope, then start looking elsewhere.

Why does aligning with part of the world on youth age soccer cutoffs matter? Are foreign nations copying our basketball age cutoffs to compete?

Do you ever make statements, or is everything a question for you?

It gets old.

Why do you ask?

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

How does your kid playing kids a grade level below produce competitive players? If you can only play when you are 6-12 months older...you kid is simply not good...and never will be. I get that you really want to believe your BY kid is naturally good...and that goes away with a switch to SY...but your kid will never be a good player in the long run anyways. Eventually they will have to play against kids their own age.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Maybe they are giving rides to the kid who's homelife isn't good and doesn't have that type of support but is gifted athletically.

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

Maybe the parents of mediocre players are giving rides to the underprivileged high ceiling athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Maybe they are giving rides to the kid who's homelife isn't good and doesn't have that type of support but is gifted athletically.

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

This explains increasing the numbers and quantity. Ir does not answer the question. An increase in the number of mediocre or average players who are in it just for soccer playdates and easy carpools does not explain how SY will produce more competitive players or teams.

Maybe the parents of mediocre players are giving rides to the underprivileged high ceiling athlete.

Maybe there will be a LeBron James- who would have been the best soccer player in the world..had his mom signed up for soccer. But she didn't because he is a December birthday and wanted to play his friends when he was 5- so started with basketball- and we all know how that went.

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Sounds like there will have to be both SY and BY options. SY leagues will be less competitive and embrace younger players who prioritize playing with friends and participation for all. BY will be for most competitive players and teams that want to remain aligned with national and international standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like there will have to be both SY and BY options. SY leagues will be less competitive and embrace younger players who prioritize playing with friends and participation for all. BY will be for most competitive players and teams that want to remain aligned with national and international standards.

Except for the kids that want to line up for college recruiting around U14-U15 of course. Could be tough for BY to survive at the older years.