Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Andy from popcorned planet has been talking to iewu crew members and he just revealed that allegedly Blake had chronic cold sores during the filming and Justin and everyone was grossed out but tried to remain professional and makeup was scrambling to cover the cold sores…

I dislike Blake and think that would be troubling on a film set where people have to kiss, but the tone of this is childish. Something like half the population has the virus that causes cold sores and it's not like it's the result of someone doing something bad. Like you don't get a cold sore because you are unhygienic or a bad person. People just get them.

I also have trouble believing she had active cold sores during filming. She's in like every scene and there are a lot of close ups. I would NEVER agree to be on screen when I had a cold sore! Even if you catch it early and treat it immediately, it would be visible, Even with great makeup. I would assume instead they'd get a prescription immediately and shuffle around filming scenes as well as they could until it was totally gone. With good meds that might only take a couple days, and if you stayed on the medication there is not way they would come back. So this rumor strains credulity for me. At most she had one cold sore and presumably it was treated. And cold sores are unpleasant but in a professional setting people should be able to be mature about a medical issue that just needs to be treated and resolved. What if an actor got cystic acne while shooting? Is it appropriate to gossip about how "grossed out" everyone on set was about it? Grow up.

Just the messenger here. The point they’re trying to make is that Baldoni wasn’t looking to add “gratuitous” kissing and that in fact the opposite is true. People have also been pointing out that the fact Baldoni doesn’t bring this up in his complaint shows that he’s a professional and doesn’t want to embarrass Blake, even though she’s called him gross and everything else under the sun.

I mean it's a rumor, this is all speculation. If true and he brought it up in his complaint, it could be considered an improper disclosure of medical information. Especially since it's not relevant to any of his claims -- he's not claiming she infected him with cold sores. So it would look extremely petty AND risk getting slapped by the judge for introducing medical info just to embarrass her. It would be dumb.

Also in the video that was released, there's no question that he's trying to be more physically intimate with their faces than she is. She keeps leaning back away from him and trying to maintain conversation during the shoot, and he initiates every single instance of their faces touching. This both undermines the idea that she had cold sores the whole time and he was grossed out, and also does actually back up the whole "gratuitous kissing" argument on her side, even if her description of that scene is significantly less dramatic than what plays out on screen.

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Anonymous wrote:Andy from popcorned planet has been talking to iewu crew members and he just revealed that allegedly Blake had chronic cold sores during the filming and Justin and everyone was grossed out but tried to remain professional and makeup was scrambling to cover the cold sores…

I dislike Blake and think that would be troubling on a film set where people have to kiss, but the tone of this is childish. Something like half the population has the virus that causes cold sores and it's not like it's the result of someone doing something bad. Like you don't get a cold sore because you are unhygienic or a bad person. People just get them.

I also have trouble believing she had active cold sores during filming. She's in like every scene and there are a lot of close ups. I would NEVER agree to be on screen when I had a cold sore! Even if you catch it early and treat it immediately, it would be visible, Even with great makeup. I would assume instead they'd get a prescription immediately and shuffle around filming scenes as well as they could until it was totally gone. With good meds that might only take a couple days, and if you stayed on the medication there is not way they would come back. So this rumor strains credulity for me. At most she had one cold sore and presumably it was treated. And cold sores are unpleasant but in a professional setting people should be able to be mature about a medical issue that just needs to be treated and resolved. What if an actor got cystic acne while shooting? Is it appropriate to gossip about how "grossed out" everyone on set was about it? Grow up.

Just the messenger here. The point they’re trying to make is that Baldoni wasn’t looking to add “gratuitous” kissing and that in fact the opposite is true. People have also been pointing out that the fact Baldoni doesn’t bring this up in his complaint shows that he’s a professional and doesn’t want to embarrass Blake, even though she’s called him gross and everything else under the sun.

+1 I don't think having cold sores is something she should be shamed for or ashamed of, but it could be relevant (if it's even true in the first place), and kinda goes back to how her accusations are tied to things she's insecure about. Like she's insecure about her post-partum body so she accuses Justin of fat-shaming while simultaneously believing everyone wants to ogle her to compensate for that insecurity, she's concerned about her cold stores, so she thinks Justin is desperate to kiss her, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

I think the people saying she should lay low are just pointing out that many of her publicity stunts have failed. She needs a better team and better strategy because they’re giving her bad advice. Taking pics at sxsw with fake fans that turn out to be Paul feig’s wife, buying a time honor based on civil rights then conveniently giving a speech on SA, “visiting” a donut shop to appear normal but turns out it was a private event and the kids were paid models. It’s just really bad PR.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andy from popcorned planet has been talking to iewu crew members and he just revealed that allegedly Blake had chronic cold sores during the filming and Justin and everyone was grossed out but tried to remain professional and makeup was scrambling to cover the cold sores…

I dislike Blake and think that would be troubling on a film set where people have to kiss, but the tone of this is childish. Something like half the population has the virus that causes cold sores and it's not like it's the result of someone doing something bad. Like you don't get a cold sore because you are unhygienic or a bad person. People just get them.

I also have trouble believing she had active cold sores during filming. She's in like every scene and there are a lot of close ups. I would NEVER agree to be on screen when I had a cold sore! Even if you catch it early and treat it immediately, it would be visible, Even with great makeup. I would assume instead they'd get a prescription immediately and shuffle around filming scenes as well as they could until it was totally gone. With good meds that might only take a couple days, and if you stayed on the medication there is not way they would come back. So this rumor strains credulity for me. At most she had one cold sore and presumably it was treated. And cold sores are unpleasant but in a professional setting people should be able to be mature about a medical issue that just needs to be treated and resolved. What if an actor got cystic acne while shooting? Is it appropriate to gossip about how "grossed out" everyone on set was about it? Grow up.

Just the messenger here. The point they’re trying to make is that Baldoni wasn’t looking to add “gratuitous” kissing and that in fact the opposite is true. People have also been pointing out that the fact Baldoni doesn’t bring this up in his complaint shows that he’s a professional and doesn’t want to embarrass Blake, even though she’s called him gross and everything else under the sun.

I mean it's a rumor, this is all speculation. If true and he brought it up in his complaint, it could be considered an improper disclosure of medical information. Especially since it's not relevant to any of his claims -- he's not claiming she infected him with cold sores. So it would look extremely petty AND risk getting slapped by the judge for introducing medical info just to embarrass her. It would be dumb.

Also in the video that was released, there's no question that he's trying to be more physically intimate with their faces than she is. She keeps leaning back away from him and trying to maintain conversation during the shoot, and he initiates every single instance of their faces touching. This both undermines the idea that she had cold sores the whole time and he was grossed out, and also does actually back up the whole "gratuitous kissing" argument on her side, even if her description of that scene is significantly less dramatic than what plays out on screen.

I see once again we're doing an analysis of that video. She lied. End of. She claimed she was harassed by Justin who was whispering sweet nothings in her ear and wanted to talk when the scene didn't even call for talking, when it turns out she was the one who wanted them to be conversing.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

Why are you acting like my criticism was just her being placed on the Time 100 in and of itself? The issue here is that she was placed on there for a completely ridiculous reason, and used it to trojan horse her way into addressing her legal battles yet again.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Andy from popcorned planet has been talking to iewu crew members and he just revealed that allegedly Blake had chronic cold sores during the filming and Justin and everyone was grossed out but tried to remain professional and makeup was scrambling to cover the cold sores…

I dislike Blake and think that would be troubling on a film set where people have to kiss, but the tone of this is childish. Something like half the population has the virus that causes cold sores and it's not like it's the result of someone doing something bad. Like you don't get a cold sore because you are unhygienic or a bad person. People just get them.

I also have trouble believing she had active cold sores during filming. She's in like every scene and there are a lot of close ups. I would NEVER agree to be on screen when I had a cold sore! Even if you catch it early and treat it immediately, it would be visible, Even with great makeup. I would assume instead they'd get a prescription immediately and shuffle around filming scenes as well as they could until it was totally gone. With good meds that might only take a couple days, and if you stayed on the medication there is not way they would come back. So this rumor strains credulity for me. At most she had one cold sore and presumably it was treated. And cold sores are unpleasant but in a professional setting people should be able to be mature about a medical issue that just needs to be treated and resolved. What if an actor got cystic acne while shooting? Is it appropriate to gossip about how "grossed out" everyone on set was about it? Grow up.

Just the messenger here. The point they’re trying to make is that Baldoni wasn’t looking to add “gratuitous” kissing and that in fact the opposite is true. People have also been pointing out that the fact Baldoni doesn’t bring this up in his complaint shows that he’s a professional and doesn’t want to embarrass Blake, even though she’s called him gross and everything else under the sun.

I mean it's a rumor, this is all speculation. If true and he brought it up in his complaint, it could be considered an improper disclosure of medical information. Especially since it's not relevant to any of his claims -- he's not claiming she infected him with cold sores. So it would look extremely petty AND risk getting slapped by the judge for introducing medical info just to embarrass her. It would be dumb.

Also in the video that was released, there's no question that he's trying to be more physically intimate with their faces than she is. She keeps leaning back away from him and trying to maintain conversation during the shoot, and he initiates every single instance of their faces touching. This both undermines the idea that she had cold sores the whole time and he was grossed out, and also does actually back up the whole "gratuitous kissing" argument on her side, even if her description of that scene is significantly less dramatic than what plays out on screen.

I see once again we're doing an analysis of that video. She lied. End of. She claimed she was harassed by Justin who was whispering sweet nothings in her ear and wanted to talk when the scene didn't even call for talking, when it turns out she was the one who wanted them to be conversing.

Lying would be her claiming he said something he didn't say, or that he grabbed her butt or something when we can all say he didn't.

She has an interpretation of that scene that does not seem 100% accurate when I watch it. That doesn't mean she was lying. I believe her when she says that she found his comment about her smelling good to cross a line. And he does say it, and he says it while nuzzling her neck and arm. But I can ALSO see how he believed himself to just be responding to her comment about spray tan. I genuinely think there are just two ways to look at that.

Also, you are misrepresenting her allegations regarding the dialogue in the scene. She says, accurately, the scene does not call for dialogue between the characters, and that it was not intended to have audio of them but to be set under the film score. That's correct. She does advocate for the characters to be talking in the scene, but with the obvious understanding that what they are actually saying doesn't matter and doesn't even need to be in character, since they were not trying to capture dialogue. Her objection to his "you smell good" comment is that this was clearly Justin saying it to Blake, out of character, but it felt uncomfortable to her because of the way it was said and what he was doing when he said it. I can look at it and say "eh, gray area -- he's trying to act out his character's interest in her character at the same time as he's making an out-of-character comment about her spray tan, and it comes off kind of like a come on, but I don't think was intended that way." But that's different from saying "she lied."

I get frustrated with the comments about Lively being a liar or claiming she's an evil person who is just out to get Justin, because I don't really see evidence of that. I think Lively genuinely believes her allegations. That doesn't mean they are true and he's guilty -- the dancing video shows the degree to which it really can be a matter of interpretation, and if ALL her allegations come down to something like that, especially anything caught on camera, I don't think she was SHed. But I also don't think she's an evil mastermind of some kind of film theft because even in that video I can see how and why she might have felt like his behavior crossed lines, and if some of her other allegations are not so nuanced and turn out to be clearer examples of the line crossing, then maybe she *was* SHed.

Screaming "she lied, she lied" all the time does make me think less of people's arguments because we really do NOT know that. She may have misinterpreted events and her descriptions may be inaccurate. There is no evidence she is lying or just making things up. She may in fact be describing what happened exactly as she remembers it.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Reynolds needs his face to be everywhere like some megalomaniac is nuts when he helped create the super popular franchise where his face is covered by a mask for a third of the film and is severely disfigured in another third. This is the guy who needs his face everywhere? Are we definitely talking about the same guy?

Are you seriously trying to convince us that Ryan Reynolds doesn’t care or doesn’t want to be seen everywhere? He wouldn’t even let his wife do a movie without getting in promos for it and without making sure when she was on the red carpet she gave him credit for writing some dumb scene.

The jig is up. These people want us to love them. It’s the whole reason they went into this ridiculous industry. You trying to convince us otherwise is just weird.

I’m pretty sure he was there to support her in the last two movies?! For IEWU it was part of the marketing plan (duo with Deadpool), to help both movies do their best. Your obsessive need to turn everything either of them do into something bad, regardless of what real facts and reality suggest, is just too much. Touch grass? Find some version of reality that you can hold on to.

A lot of celebrity couples let each other shine on the red carpet without having to make sure they’re $1 billion franchise does well? Are you kidding me acting as if this is normal?

You guys want it both ways. It doesn’t matter to them! They’re just doing it for the art! But they want the movies to make as much money as possible so of course they’re going to promote it together!

You are talking in circles. It ends with us with a crappy movie based on a crappy book and yet Blake nearly killed herself trying to get a producer credit for it. Had her lawyers send eight different emails saying she was going to walk off the film at every turn cost cast and crew their jobs because she wanted it so bad she was going to do anything to get it. Completely threw the head screenwriter under the bus on the red carpet because she wanted she and her husband to get credit for writing the scene. And then had to write a ridiculous apology letter.

Ryan Reynolds just had to have his gin advertised as part of it ends with us. But it doesn’t matter to them. They’re just in for funsies!

Ruined her relationship with Taylor Swift because she just had to have Taylor tell Justin the rooftop scene was good. Had to have the dailies, even though it wasn’t part of her job as an actress to get access to the dailies. Had to have her husband take over the marketing of the film, even though that wasn’t what Sony intended and cost the movie a lot extra.

Ran to the New York Times instead of just quietly going through sag, or even just quietly filing a lawsuit for sexual harassment.

It’s hard to think of people who want this more than they want it. They’re the most power-hungry and fame whorish celebs I’ve ever seen and it’s just hilarious that someone seriously trying to argue in this thread that they are not.

The whole reason they’re in this mess is because she couldn’t handle a little bad publicity that was totally self earned so she decided to burn she and her husband‘s career to the ground. Congratulations and how is that sequel going?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

Why are you acting like my criticism was just her being placed on the Time 100 in and of itself? The issue here is that she was placed on there for a completely ridiculous reason, and used it to trojan horse her way into addressing her legal battles yet again.

No one was confused about your criticism. I just think there's nothing "insane" about a celebrity with a PR problem pulling strings to get some kind of humanitarian honor, and that honor being BS, and using the press around the honor to try and shore up their public image regarding said PR problem. It's standard. Again, do you think Justin wasn't doing the exact same thing when he accepted that "solidarity" award back in December or whatever? I am familiar with his body of work and don't think he's much of a feminist ally -- I think that's a BS award. To what degree was he using it to try and shore up his bona fides as a male feminist, knowing these allegations of Lively's were out there and might be coming out any moment? We know from his texts with Abel that he was worried about that for months and months.

Yes, they are both gross. Yes, celebs do this all the time. Yes, you should always be skeptical of these kinds of awards and honors. But is Lively doing something out of the ordinary or unique? Nope, not even a little. This is standard fare PR rehab.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that Reynolds needs his face to be everywhere like some megalomaniac is nuts when he helped create the super popular franchise where his face is covered by a mask for a third of the film and is severely disfigured in another third. This is the guy who needs his face everywhere? Are we definitely talking about the same guy?

Are you seriously trying to convince us that Ryan Reynolds doesn’t care or doesn’t want to be seen everywhere? He wouldn’t even let his wife do a movie without getting in promos for it and without making sure when she was on the red carpet she gave him credit for writing some dumb scene.

The jig is up. These people want us to love them. It’s the whole reason they went into this ridiculous industry. You trying to convince us otherwise is just weird.

I’m pretty sure he was there to support her in the last two movies?! For IEWU it was part of the marketing plan (duo with Deadpool), to help both movies do their best. Your obsessive need to turn everything either of them do into something bad, regardless of what real facts and reality suggest, is just too much. Touch grass? Find some version of reality that you can hold on to.

A lot of celebrity couples let each other shine on the red carpet without having to make sure they’re $1 billion franchise does well? Are you kidding me acting as if this is normal?

You guys want it both ways. It doesn’t matter to them! They’re just doing it for the art! But they want the movies to make as much money as possible so of course they’re going to promote it together!

You are talking in circles. It ends with us with a crappy movie based on a crappy book and yet Blake nearly killed herself trying to get a producer credit for it. Had her lawyers send eight different emails saying she was going to walk off the film at every turn cost cast and crew their jobs because she wanted it so bad she was going to do anything to get it. Completely threw the head screenwriter under the bus on the red carpet because she wanted she and her husband to get credit for writing the scene. And then had to write a ridiculous apology letter.

Ryan Reynolds just had to have his gin advertised as part of it ends with us. But it doesn’t matter to them. They’re just in for funsies!

Ruined her relationship with Taylor Swift because she just had to have Taylor tell Justin the rooftop scene was good. Had to have the dailies, even though it wasn’t part of her job as an actress to get access to the dailies. Had to have her husband take over the marketing of the film, even though that wasn’t what Sony intended and cost the movie a lot extra.

Ran to the New York Times instead of just quietly going through sag, or even just quietly filing a lawsuit for sexual harassment.

It’s hard to think of people who want this more than they want it. They’re the most power-hungry and fame whorish celebs I’ve ever seen and it’s just hilarious that someone seriously trying to argue in this thread that they are not.

The whole reason they’re in this mess is because she couldn’t handle a little bad publicity that was totally self earned so she decided to burn she and her husband‘s career to the ground. Congratulations and how is that sequel going?

I say this without snark: I do not understand the point being made here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

Why are you acting like my criticism was just her being placed on the Time 100 in and of itself? The issue here is that she was placed on there for a completely ridiculous reason, and used it to trojan horse her way into addressing her legal battles yet again.

No one was confused about your criticism. I just think there's nothing "insane" about a celebrity with a PR problem pulling strings to get some kind of humanitarian honor, and that honor being BS, and using the press around the honor to try and shore up their public image regarding said PR problem. It's standard. Again, do you think Justin wasn't doing the exact same thing when he accepted that "solidarity" award back in December or whatever? I am familiar with his body of work and don't think he's much of a feminist ally -- I think that's a BS award. To what degree was he using it to try and shore up his bona fides as a male feminist, knowing these allegations of Lively's were out there and might be coming out any moment? We know from his texts with Abel that he was worried about that for months and months.

Yes, they are both gross. Yes, celebs do this all the time. Yes, you should always be skeptical of these kinds of awards and honors. But is Lively doing something out of the ordinary or unique? Nope, not even a little. This is standard fare PR rehab.

You cannot compare Justin accepting that award pre-lawsuit with Blake doing this post-lawsuit. They're not the same, at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

I think the people saying she should lay low are just pointing out that many of her publicity stunts have failed. She needs a better team and better strategy because they’re giving her bad advice. Taking pics at sxsw with fake fans that turn out to be Paul feig’s wife, buying a time honor based on civil rights then conveniently giving a speech on SA, “visiting” a donut shop to appear normal but turns out it was a private event and the kids were paid models. It’s just really bad PR.

I think the issue is that two arguments are being made.

1) The point you are making, that her PR efforts are failing and everything she does to try and make herself look better backfires and gets ripped apart online. I agree with this BUT since she's contractually obligated to promote her new movie, it puts her in a bind. Promotional contract provisions often extend beyond appearances at the premiere -- it often requires stars to promote on social media and make other efforts. So she may genuinely be stuck here -- she has to promote this movie but almost everything she does gets torn to shreds.

2) The point some others are making, which is that she is a bad person for doing publicity right now. That her going to the premiere of her own movie or doing a few fairly standard public appearances with her husband to try and attract attention to her and her movie reflects some narcissistic need for attention, and Justin Baldoni is a better person because he's just hiding out in Hawaii and not begging for attention. I find this argument absurd because, again, she has a movie coming out and HAS to do press right now, and also Justin does not have a movie coming out and therefore can just be on some kind of perma-vacation (and also he 100% is doing PR in Hawaii, which is why we periodically get pictures of him taking his kids out for ice cream or whatever -- those aren't accidents).

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

Why are you acting like my criticism was just her being placed on the Time 100 in and of itself? The issue here is that she was placed on there for a completely ridiculous reason, and used it to trojan horse her way into addressing her legal battles yet again.

No one was confused about your criticism. I just think there's nothing "insane" about a celebrity with a PR problem pulling strings to get some kind of humanitarian honor, and that honor being BS, and using the press around the honor to try and shore up their public image regarding said PR problem. It's standard. Again, do you think Justin wasn't doing the exact same thing when he accepted that "solidarity" award back in December or whatever? I am familiar with his body of work and don't think he's much of a feminist ally -- I think that's a BS award. To what degree was he using it to try and shore up his bona fides as a male feminist, knowing these allegations of Lively's were out there and might be coming out any moment? We know from his texts with Abel that he was worried about that for months and months.

Yes, they are both gross. Yes, celebs do this all the time. Yes, you should always be skeptical of these kinds of awards and honors. But is Lively doing something out of the ordinary or unique? Nope, not even a little. This is standard fare PR rehab.

You cannot compare Justin accepting that award pre-lawsuit with Blake doing this post-lawsuit. They're not the same, at all.

They are the exact same thing, sorry. YOU have different information now, but the execution and intent is identical. If you don't think Justin's PR people didn't reach out to that org and put him up for that award and promise, oh hey Justin's buddy who is also a famous comedian would be happy to present it, you are crazy. It's just that when Justin got that award, no one paid attention to the grift because the spotlight wasn't on these people. But the actual PR move is the same. BS awards for famous people done at the behest of their PR folks to help them promote something and/or counter some negative press.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

Why are you acting like my criticism was just her being placed on the Time 100 in and of itself? The issue here is that she was placed on there for a completely ridiculous reason, and used it to trojan horse her way into addressing her legal battles yet again.

No one was confused about your criticism. I just think there's nothing "insane" about a celebrity with a PR problem pulling strings to get some kind of humanitarian honor, and that honor being BS, and using the press around the honor to try and shore up their public image regarding said PR problem. It's standard. Again, do you think Justin wasn't doing the exact same thing when he accepted that "solidarity" award back in December or whatever? I am familiar with his body of work and don't think he's much of a feminist ally -- I think that's a BS award. To what degree was he using it to try and shore up his bona fides as a male feminist, knowing these allegations of Lively's were out there and might be coming out any moment? We know from his texts with Abel that he was worried about that for months and months.

Yes, they are both gross. Yes, celebs do this all the time. Yes, you should always be skeptical of these kinds of awards and honors. But is Lively doing something out of the ordinary or unique? Nope, not even a little. This is standard fare PR rehab.

You cannot compare Justin accepting that award pre-lawsuit with Blake doing this post-lawsuit. They're not the same, at all.

They are the exact same thing, sorry. YOU have different information now, but the execution and intent is identical. If you don't think Justin's PR people didn't reach out to that org and put him up for that award and promise, oh hey Justin's buddy who is also a famous comedian would be happy to present it, you are crazy. It's just that when Justin got that award, no one paid attention to the grift because the spotlight wasn't on these people. But the actual PR move is the same. BS awards for famous people done at the behest of their PR folks to help them promote something and/or counter some negative press.

Your argument is basically: "People accept these PR awards because they want to make themselves look good, and Blake and Justin clearly want to make themselves look good, therefore, their acceptance of these awards is the exact same." lol, just stop. Blake is accepting the award during a tidal wave of public backlash and using it to comment on the lawsuit ("women aren't safe anywhere"), which is basically pouring gasoline over the fire, even though she should be laying low right now. THAT is what's unusual.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's unreasonable to expect Livley to "keep a low profile" because she's actually promoting a movie right now. She's actually done far less press than would normally be expected for Another Simple Favor, likely because of the lawsuit and the fervor over it. But she's contractually obligated to promote it and it's in her best interest to do so. Ryan is also promoting multiple projects, including Wrexham which is probably gearing up for the Emmys now.

So she has a movie that is just coming out, he has a TV program that is making an Emmys bid, and all they'd done recently is her movie premiere (she attended the SXSW screening without him), the SNL 50th which she didn't even speak at and barely participated in, and the Time 100 gala. She also did that donut shop stunt which was so minor, and they've posted to social media a few times. I don't think they've done any interviews at all, and the Another Simple Favor cast doesn't appear to have done a junket which is unusual. Usually a couple with these sorts of projects coming out would be doing a full court press and what they are doing is pretty minor.

I somewhat agree with this -- I think it's overreach to condemn Blake for doing basic red carpet appearances since she's promoting a film. You are completely glazing over the Time 100 gala thing though. Pulling strings to get a nomination for donating some money six years ago for a plantation wedding you never properly apologized for, and then using said nomination to allude to your ongoing legal battle and further perpetuate the idea that women are unsafe from predators like Justin, is insane and she deserves all the backlash she's getting for that. That's getting people even more mad when she does the innocuous things like show up at a red carpet, so this is really an issue of her own making.

PP here. I'm not defending the Time 100 thing, but I don't think it's "insane." I think it's extremely standard PR for a celeb and it's just that this whole scandal has exposed the game of PR which means people are onto it. But all celebs do this. Ellen Pompeo just got a "star" on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which is also a pay-for-play "honor" (there's even an explicit price tag, I think it's like 75k) because she's promoting a streaming series right now. Baldoni was given a "Voices of Solidarity" award by some org named Vital Voices in late 2024, and Hasan Minhaj presented it. That was also PR BS (the award was rescinded after Lively's lawsuit, and you can cry foul about this, but since it's a BS award to begin with, who cares?).

So yeah, the Time 100 think is a joke, but it's not crazy, it's the way celebs get their names in the news and build up positive goodwill with their audience all the time. It's good to be skeptical of stuff like that. But the problem there is not that Blake got some important honor that should have gone to someone more worthy. That honor is not important and they often go to unworthy recipients because Time is also just trying to grab eyeballs and sell magazines/subscriptions. It's all a grift, it's not some wonderful cause that was somehow soiled by Lively in this case.

Baldoni was

I think the people saying she should lay low are just pointing out that many of her publicity stunts have failed. She needs a better team and better strategy because they’re giving her bad advice. Taking pics at sxsw with fake fans that turn out to be Paul feig’s wife, buying a time honor based on civil rights then conveniently giving a speech on SA, “visiting” a donut shop to appear normal but turns out it was a private event and the kids were paid models. It’s just really bad PR.

I think the issue is that two arguments are being made.

1) The point you are making, that her PR efforts are failing and everything she does to try and make herself look better backfires and gets ripped apart online. I agree with this BUT since she's contractually obligated to promote her new movie, it puts her in a bind. Promotional contract provisions often extend beyond appearances at the premiere -- it often requires stars to promote on social media and make other efforts. So she may genuinely be stuck here -- she has to promote this movie but almost everything she does gets torn to shreds.

2) The point some others are making, which is that she is a bad person for doing publicity right now. That her going to the premiere of her own movie or doing a few fairly standard public appearances with her husband to try and attract attention to her and her movie reflects some narcissistic need for attention, and Justin Baldoni is a better person because he's just hiding out in Hawaii and not begging for attention. I find this argument absurd because, again, she has a movie coming out and HAS to do press right now, and also Justin does not have a movie coming out and therefore can just be on some kind of perma-vacation (and also he 100% is doing PR in Hawaii, which is why we periodically get pictures of him taking his kids out for ice cream or whatever -- those aren't accidents).

Sure but don’t have fake fans. And if you’re going to have fake fans, don’t make it someone so easily identified like the director’s wife. And if you’re going to buy an award, don’t connect it to a donation from 6 years ago that was made as an apology for having a plantation wedding, and certainly don’t go to the gala for the award and not mention civil rights at all when that’s the reason for the award. It’s 2025, these sorts of tactics simply don’t work anymore, especially for a celeb who’s under a microscope.

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Anonymous wrote:Andy from popcorned planet has been talking to iewu crew members and he just revealed that allegedly Blake had chronic cold sores during the filming and Justin and everyone was grossed out but tried to remain professional and makeup was scrambling to cover the cold sores…

I dislike Blake and think that would be troubling on a film set where people have to kiss, but the tone of this is childish. Something like half the population has the virus that causes cold sores and it's not like it's the result of someone doing something bad. Like you don't get a cold sore because you are unhygienic or a bad person. People just get them.

I also have trouble believing she had active cold sores during filming. She's in like every scene and there are a lot of close ups. I would NEVER agree to be on screen when I had a cold sore! Even if you catch it early and treat it immediately, it would be visible, Even with great makeup. I would assume instead they'd get a prescription immediately and shuffle around filming scenes as well as they could until it was totally gone. With good meds that might only take a couple days, and if you stayed on the medication there is not way they would come back. So this rumor strains credulity for me. At most she had one cold sore and presumably it was treated. And cold sores are unpleasant but in a professional setting people should be able to be mature about a medical issue that just needs to be treated and resolved. What if an actor got cystic acne while shooting? Is it appropriate to gossip about how "grossed out" everyone on set was about it? Grow up.

Just the messenger here. The point they’re trying to make is that Baldoni wasn’t looking to add “gratuitous” kissing and that in fact the opposite is true. People have also been pointing out that the fact Baldoni doesn’t bring this up in his complaint shows that he’s a professional and doesn’t want to embarrass Blake, even though she’s called him gross and everything else under the sun.

I mean it's a rumor, this is all speculation. If true and he brought it up in his complaint, it could be considered an improper disclosure of medical information. Especially since it's not relevant to any of his claims -- he's not claiming she infected him with cold sores. So it would look extremely petty AND risk getting slapped by the judge for introducing medical info just to embarrass her. It would be dumb.

Also in the video that was released, there's no question that he's trying to be more physically intimate with their faces than she is. She keeps leaning back away from him and trying to maintain conversation during the shoot, and he initiates every single instance of their faces touching. This both undermines the idea that she had cold sores the whole time and he was grossed out, and also does actually back up the whole "gratuitous kissing" argument on her side, even if her description of that scene is significantly less dramatic than what plays out on screen.

I see once again we're doing an analysis of that video. She lied. End of. She claimed she was harassed by Justin who was whispering sweet nothings in her ear and wanted to talk when the scene didn't even call for talking, when it turns out she was the one who wanted them to be conversing.

Lying would be her claiming he said something he didn't say, or that he grabbed her butt or something when we can all say he didn't.

She has an interpretation of that scene that does not seem 100% accurate when I watch it. That doesn't mean she was lying. I believe her when she says that she found his comment about her smelling good to cross a line. And he does say it, and he says it while nuzzling her neck and arm. But I can ALSO see how he believed himself to just be responding to her comment about spray tan. I genuinely think there are just two ways to look at that.

Also, you are misrepresenting her allegations regarding the dialogue in the scene. She says, accurately, the scene does not call for dialogue between the characters, and that it was not intended to have audio of them but to be set under the film score. That's correct. She does advocate for the characters to be talking in the scene, but with the obvious understanding that what they are actually saying doesn't matter and doesn't even need to be in character, since they were not trying to capture dialogue. Her objection to his "you smell good" comment is that this was clearly Justin saying it to Blake, out of character, but it felt uncomfortable to her because of the way it was said and what he was doing when he said it. I can look at it and say "eh, gray area -- he's trying to act out his character's interest in her character at the same time as he's making an out-of-character comment about her spray tan, and it comes off kind of like a come on, but I don't think was intended that way." But that's different from saying "she lied."

I get frustrated with the comments about Lively being a liar or claiming she's an evil person who is just out to get Justin, because I don't really see evidence of that. I think Lively genuinely believes her allegations. That doesn't mean they are true and he's guilty -- the dancing video shows the degree to which it really can be a matter of interpretation, and if ALL her allegations come down to something like that, especially anything caught on camera, I don't think she was SHed. But I also don't think she's an evil mastermind of some kind of film theft because even in that video I can see how and why she might have felt like his behavior crossed lines, and if some of her other allegations are not so nuanced and turn out to be clearer examples of the line crossing, then maybe she *was* SHed.

Screaming "she lied, she lied" all the time does make me think less of people's arguments because we really do NOT know that. She may have misinterpreted events and her descriptions may be inaccurate. There is no evidence she is lying or just making things up. She may in fact be describing what happened exactly as she remembers it.

You are wrong here. She blatantly lied. She said that he nuzzled her neck and said it smelled so good.

He nozzled her neck. She said I bet you can smell my spray tan or something like that.

He said, it smells good?

Not smells so good and not right after nuzzling her neck.

That is a lie. It was completely meant to mislead people into thinking he was gross when he was just trying to converse with her.