ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

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Anonymous wrote:We actually still are waiting for the results of birth year because it went into effect in 2017. That’s 8 years ago only lol. So in effect we really need to examine how our U18 and U17 teams have been performing at a national level? Those kids are the only ones that have only experienced an entire playing career within the birth year format.

That’s what makes this change strange imo because we don’t know the results yet.

Anyone understand what I’m saying?

I understand and you would be correct if this change was only about our national teams, the decision to switch to birth year was made unilaterally and unsupported by the majority of youth soccer. From listening to Skip Gilbert the decision was made by folks that only had the European model experience, the US is very different in that our government doesn't subsidize our youth sports. It was a square peg in a round hole.

Interesting

Anyhow...lets keep an eye on the current crop of USA U17 and U18 national team players...this change back to school year means nothing now because at this point they are professionals. Their results with the national team when they are in their 20s will prove wether or not the birth year system worked.

It's relevant and should be looked at. Not sure about the 17's and 18's but the 19's beat Uruguay and Argentina over the summer.

How in your mind does changing the cutoff year work to make players better?

Hey good point and I should have included the 19s as well as those kids were born in 2006!!

So when is the last time in US Soccer that our U19s ever defeated Uruguay or Argentina? It never happened during the school year days that is for sure!!!

Like I said before....I think this change is happening for the whole purpose of these youth clubs making more money since it means more participation at least early on in the process

Ok. But I don't see the downside to the change. the only opposition is: I don't want my early birthday kid to have to compete.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

I dont buy it.

Little kids say they want to play sports. Parents choose soccer and sign them up for whatever club is in their area. Some of the kids happen to be in the same classes at school but that's just because they live in the same area.

Once kids get better and want a higher level of competition they change to whatever club is perceived to offer this.

That's all , playing with your classmates in school is for rec / town soccer only. Higher levels of play don't care about it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

This is the problem with giving everyone a voice in the decision process.

Ulittle parents are like the blue or green hair freaks that choose to paint their house purple and then get surprised when the HOA and neighbors get upset.

Littles in rec and olders in competitive environments are completely different worlds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Of course they are but every kid comes INTO soccer through U-little and this whole thing is about how to get more kids to start playing soccer.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

This is the problem with giving everyone a voice in the decision process.

Ulittle parents are like the blue or green hair freaks that choose to paint their house purple and then get surprised when the HOA and neighbors get upset.

Littles in rec and olders in competitive environments are completely different worlds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

Compound effect….plus you’ll also see that the players are disproportionately Q1 because of that compound effect…we are probably missing out on better players because when they are younger they are on the wrong end of RAE….

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Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

More kids playing and staying involved…leads to a bigger pool to choose from…instead of kids dropping out…

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

Ok. So why not switch to SY? Competitive kids, you argue don't care if they play with friends. So changing the teams wont hurt anything. RAE is not real, so it wont effect the Q1Q2 kids.

And changing to SY will increase at least numbers of rec players...who can go and support US Soccer.

So what is the opposition to SY or benefit of BY?

Exactly the BY crowd is always doing mental gymnastics to justify BY over SY but then argues that their is no benefit and RAE doesn’t exist.

They just want their kids to play against younger kids

If you take a look at the rosters of those highly competitive teams like the PP suggested, you will also find that most (if not all) the players have played up on teams by a year or 2 at some point. They are encouraged into stronger and older competition to keep improving and developing. Being content to just play with friends in the same grade only will not produce competitive players or teams.

How does BY produce more competitive players or teams?

How does playdate soccer (SY) produce more competitive players or teams?

You obviously have offered no reason to stick with birth year.

I was hoping that MLSN and GA stick with birth year for more than a couple of years to provide options for kids but your lack of reasons to stick with birth year don't provide much hope that they will.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:RAE exists in any year long system, period.

The switch to SY does not fix, address, or otherwise lessen the impact of RAE.

All, ALL IT DOES, is theoretically encourage participation for younger years that will hopefully result in more players later on AND IT FIXES TRAPPED PLAYERS, for the most part with some possible outliers.

The lower participation is theorized because not only are kids split across grades, but, the younger kids also hit with the RAE. By moving the date, the kids at the bad side of RAE will at least be with their classmates.

Youth (and future national) soccer in the USA is doomed if ‘playing with friends and classmates’ has become a main criteria for soccer development.

New term
Playdate Soccer

Again, at the u-littles it is, in order to increase the total pool, so that the vanishingly small number of actually incredibly talented kids have a bigger chance of sticking around.

Regardless, the ending of trapped players is, to me, the best part.

The month of your birth does not determine talent. The player pool is not going to increase because of this. Talented competitive players are not interested in watered down playdate soccer.

And trapped players will still exist no matter the cut off. This is reality.

Talented, competitive, young athletes are certainly interested in playing with friends. Which is why some now leave soccer at a young age (even though they dominate in soccer) to play other sports they dominate in (such as basketball, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming, softball, etc.) where they get to play with friends in their grade while dominating in those sports, too.

While there will continue to be some trapped players, there will be much less of them.

And for the BY fans, even though the leagues may change to SY, the national teams will continue to be BY. So all the current Q1 kids will remain in Q1 when they go on to play for the national teams.

Take a look at the rosters of highly competitive teams (those that advance to playoffs or finals for example) - these players come from various areas and are not in the same schools or neighborhoods even. Competitive players are not looking for playdate soccer.

"Playing with friends" is not about anything except U-littles. It's about bringing kids INTO soccer, not about highly competitive teams. Its also about more than playing with friends, its about signing kids up together who know each other from school and also live by each other, which means those kids can also carpool to practice and games, becuase in addition to knowing the kids the parents know the parents.

My competitive player signed up first for soccer at 5 with girls from kinder garden in a rec league with a parent coach. Then only moved to a junior academy program because that program let all the girls come together. Despite not all being the same birth year. Within a couple a years of was clear that different girls were on different paths, it was time for select soccer, and the girls were split up by birth year and competitiveness and all is well, but the only reason they all played in the first place was becuase they, and we the parents, did it all together.

This is a real thing.

So the priority of youth soccer is going to be moving to playdate soccer for young players and ensuring carpool convenience and ongoing friendships for their parents? And this will produce competitive and talented players and teams? Sure!!! 😂

Million dollar question that hasn't been answered, how is birth year more likely to promote competitive and talented players and teams than school year?

This is the thing right? People who like SY, like the CEOs of USYS AYSO and US Club Soccer, and people in this forum articulate reasons why. Examples include bringing more kids into soccer through allowing them to play with people in their community, aligning with school so that school and club soccer are more harmonious, making college recruiting more straight forward, bringing soccer more in line with other youth sports in this country, etc.

Then BY parents give reasons for staying BY that are basically just like "all your problems are fake, friends are stupid, your kid sucks"

Exactly! BY crowd can’t articulate why we should stay BY….they just want their kid to play against kids that are a grade below theirs…