Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Good lord. Yes by all means spend your time watching a 45 minute YouTube video to get this persons views up, when no credible media source is actually reporting this story as real with verifiable facts.

I think you guys are just enraged that Lively is attempting to go out in public and live her life again — as she must begin to do to try to minimize damages in the case — and people are accepting her. It is imploding your world view, because you want her destroyed, which is not the view of most normal people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Innocent” 😂

Agreed. I don't have any issue with the criticism of Blake or Ryan and their PR tactics and past behavior -- they have issues as people and they should be held accountable. But the idea that Baldoni is an "innocent father" is laughable here. He's a narcissist who uses the cloak of "male feminism" to mask weird ideas about women and some obnoxious, boundary-violating behavior. He also sounds like a disorganized and weak-willed director who has no business trying to run a set. I truly do not know who's more at fault in this situation -- everyone is pretty unsavory. But I will never be able to get on board with the people who act like Baldoni is some innocent victim. No way. The most favorable read on this situation for him is that Blake/Ryan really did manipulate this whole thing to "steal" this movie and targeted Baldoni because they saw him for what he is -- a self-absorbed fraud with poor management skills -- and took advantage. That makes them pretty terrible but it is not vindicating for Baldoni.

There is no scenario here where Baldoni is redeemed as an innocent victim in the eyes of the industry. Maybe in the eyes of some fans but how many of those people are actually consuming Baldoni's movies or care about him as an actor or director? I think some people have latched onto him as a poster child for the wrongly accused man but based on everything we know about this situation, he is far from innocent. I think it's possible that what he did on sit falls well short of legal harassment, but that doesn't mean his behavior is okay or deserves to be applauded. I've had plenty of crappy bosses with similar qualities -- passive aggressive about everything, nice to everyone's face but then constantly complaining/talking $hit behind backs, get resentful when people are direct or ask for things (even though the nature of being the boss is that people will be asking you for things), have weird or nonexistent boundaries with everyone an no self-awareness of how that's a problem for someone in a leadership role, talk waaaaay too much about their sex life/mental health/personal history than is professional, have weird ideas about what is normal or appropriate and try to force them on other people. All of this sucks and should not be acceptable in a workplace. Is it "sexual harassment"? In most cases no, but I would have no issue with someone calling out a person like this and even suing them. Working for someone like this is a misery and I sense that set was quite unpleasant for a lot of people not named Blake Lively because of him.

Be careful about making this guy your hero here. There's a lot of evidence he sucks even if he's not guilty of what Livley is accusing him of. We'll see.

There’s actually very little evidence he sucks besides what Blake has said. Most people accused of harassment have a pattern and have other victims. Not a single other woman has come forward in this case and said me too. Are we to believe that Baldoni made it 40+ years without harassing anyone if he’s this horrible person you want to paint him out to be. You don’t love his personality, fine, but that doesn’t make him a harasser or predator or anything close to it. And to suggest that he deserves to be falsely accused because you think he has a big ego is the worst kind of victim blaming. Team Blake is super hypocritical. All over this thread people are saying we shouldn’t expect Blake to be a perfect victim. Well we shouldn’t expect Baldoni to be a perfect person and that doesn’t mean it’s ok to ruin his life. Stop with the nonsense already.

I also think it’s weird to say Baldoni will never work again or he’s done because of the scandal. Frankly men in the industry have been accused of much worse and survived it. Add onto the fact that a lot of people are just dubious about these claims and Blake and Ryan refuse to stop having major PR mishaps while Justin is quietly staying in the background.

I don’t think Justin will be in front of the camera anytime soon, but frankly that wasn’t his goal anyway. He is focused on directing and producing. Wayfarer has a lot of big projects coming out including Scarlett Johansson‘s directorial debut. I wouldn’t count Justin or them out just yet. Blake and Ryan no question have a lot more to lose by this and they’ve already lost a lot.

I’ll add that he owns the rights to the sequel for it ends with us. I am betting someone will be very interested in retelling this story with a completely different cast in 10 years or so and doing it right since this was such a debacle. He probably will make a fortune selling those rights in a few years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched that Crystal Ball video. It definitely shows that they are very paranoid self-involved people and tend to fabricate, spin and escalate based on their perception, which is often inaccurate if not completely wrong.

The worst part was Blake’s involvement. She wasn’t there when the alleged accident occurred but she wrote a statement anyway, adding in all the times this man had supposedly harassed them (but he had alibis like being with other celebrity clients or on a plane/in another city entirely). It’s plausible that they had been harassed by other paparazzi, but it seemed like they pinned every interaction they’d had with any paparazzi on this guy to strengthen their case. As is typically the case with paparazzi, he said Blake’s publicist was the one often calling them and telling them where to go for pics. Blake used very dramatic language in her police complaint like “he’s terrorizing us” and “I was so scared and crying”. Blake gives serious Karen vibes and I do not trust her at all at this point. She seems to weaponize her tears and lean into victimhood.

BL and RR had the case sealed, so the public only knew what RR told them (his publicist gave a statement to people mag I think in 2015 and there’s another article in 2017 when the case was dismissed, but that’s really it).

Where can I read all this from a primary source? I'm inclined to believe, but want to read for myself because it's not clear how much is facts and how much is editorializing. It sounds like this guy has significant proof, sort of like Baldoni's timeline, but where can I review that instead of going off what is being repeated from various social media?

NP-The paparazzo contacted a Youtuber about it so the legal documents, video and pics are from him to her. Without a Crystal Ball is the account.

Thanks. So it sounds like she didn't post the docs but her explanation of what she received? I watched a few minutes of her video on Vanzan but it was scattered and I couldn't really follow her (she was confusing the terms law firm and company). Was hoping to read for myself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Innocent” 😂

Agreed. I don't have any issue with the criticism of Blake or Ryan and their PR tactics and past behavior -- they have issues as people and they should be held accountable. But the idea that Baldoni is an "innocent father" is laughable here. He's a narcissist who uses the cloak of "male feminism" to mask weird ideas about women and some obnoxious, boundary-violating behavior. He also sounds like a disorganized and weak-willed director who has no business trying to run a set. I truly do not know who's more at fault in this situation -- everyone is pretty unsavory. But I will never be able to get on board with the people who act like Baldoni is some innocent victim. No way. The most favorable read on this situation for him is that Blake/Ryan really did manipulate this whole thing to "steal" this movie and targeted Baldoni because they saw him for what he is -- a self-absorbed fraud with poor management skills -- and took advantage. That makes them pretty terrible but it is not vindicating for Baldoni.

There is no scenario here where Baldoni is redeemed as an innocent victim in the eyes of the industry. Maybe in the eyes of some fans but how many of those people are actually consuming Baldoni's movies or care about him as an actor or director? I think some people have latched onto him as a poster child for the wrongly accused man but based on everything we know about this situation, he is far from innocent. I think it's possible that what he did on sit falls well short of legal harassment, but that doesn't mean his behavior is okay or deserves to be applauded. I've had plenty of crappy bosses with similar qualities -- passive aggressive about everything, nice to everyone's face but then constantly complaining/talking $hit behind backs, get resentful when people are direct or ask for things (even though the nature of being the boss is that people will be asking you for things), have weird or nonexistent boundaries with everyone an no self-awareness of how that's a problem for someone in a leadership role, talk waaaaay too much about their sex life/mental health/personal history than is professional, have weird ideas about what is normal or appropriate and try to force them on other people. All of this sucks and should not be acceptable in a workplace. Is it "sexual harassment"? In most cases no, but I would have no issue with someone calling out a person like this and even suing them. Working for someone like this is a misery and I sense that set was quite unpleasant for a lot of people not named Blake Lively because of him.

Be careful about making this guy your hero here. There's a lot of evidence he sucks even if he's not guilty of what Livley is accusing him of. We'll see.

There’s actually very little evidence he sucks besides what Blake has said. Most people accused of harassment have a pattern and have other victims. Not a single other woman has come forward in this case and said me too. Are we to believe that Baldoni made it 40+ years without harassing anyone if he’s this horrible person you want to paint him out to be. You don’t love his personality, fine, but that doesn’t make him a harasser or predator or anything close to it. And to suggest that he deserves to be falsely accused because you think he has a big ego is the worst kind of victim blaming. Team Blake is super hypocritical. All over this thread people are saying we shouldn’t expect Blake to be a perfect victim. Well we shouldn’t expect Baldoni to be a perfect person and that doesn’t mean it’s ok to ruin his life. Stop with the nonsense already.

Eh, actually he does have a history and has been sued twice, more than Lively or Reynolds as far as anyone knows, which is amazing given their fame in comparison — for racial discrimination and improper termination, and also for the stolen ideas from the Five Feet Apart script where Baldoni escaped the lawsuit (Freedman represented the plaintiff, who had cystic fibrosis, and told him that defendants’ pockets were too deep to settle for more and that he should drop his lawsuit, before Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer hahaha that sounds totally aboveboard and correct).

Before this movie, Baldoni had not really directed any sex scenes and barely directed kissing scenes, except maybe in his own marriage proposal video? So he may not have had much chance to harass the cast on set.

I also agree with PP that Baldoni is no hero, and really think people “on his side” here are posting more to hate on Lively than in support of him. He has all these “fans” on reddit but that certainly isn’t translating into tickets for his “Nice Indian Boy” film. 🤷‍♀️

Try again, RR has been sued many times. Someone just wrote a letter to Liman asking them to preserve the nicepool discovery because it could be used in their case to show Ryan’s pattern of stealing people’s stories and mocking them in his movies. And I guess you missed the part about how Blake and Ryan lied on a paparazzo and tried to have him criminally prosecuted after Ryan chased him through a parking garage. You’re just looking for anything to smear Baldoni because Blake and Ryan are a sinking ship.

There wasn't a lawsuit, but don't forget a black stuntwoman by the name of Joi Harris died during the filming of Deadpool 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good lord. Yes by all means spend your time watching a 45 minute YouTube video to get this persons views up, when no credible media source is actually reporting this story as real with verifiable facts.

I think you guys are just enraged that Lively is attempting to go out in public and live her life again — as she must begin to do to try to minimize damages in the case — and people are accepting her. It is imploding your world view, because you want her destroyed, which is not the view of most normal people.

Actually, she’d be objectively better off if she kept a low profile until the lawsuit is over. Every time she opens her mouth, she manages to do something offensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good lord. Yes by all means spend your time watching a 45 minute YouTube video to get this persons views up, when no credible media source is actually reporting this story as real with verifiable facts.

I think you guys are just enraged that Lively is attempting to go out in public and live her life again — as she must begin to do to try to minimize damages in the case — and people are accepting her. It is imploding your world view, because you want her destroyed, which is not the view of most normal people.

Actually, she’d be objectively better off if she kept a low profile until the lawsuit is over. Every time she opens her mouth, she manages to do something offensive.

Adding this is what Baldoni is doing and it’s working.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Innocent” 😂

Agreed. I don't have any issue with the criticism of Blake or Ryan and their PR tactics and past behavior -- they have issues as people and they should be held accountable. But the idea that Baldoni is an "innocent father" is laughable here. He's a narcissist who uses the cloak of "male feminism" to mask weird ideas about women and some obnoxious, boundary-violating behavior. He also sounds like a disorganized and weak-willed director who has no business trying to run a set. I truly do not know who's more at fault in this situation -- everyone is pretty unsavory. But I will never be able to get on board with the people who act like Baldoni is some innocent victim. No way. The most favorable read on this situation for him is that Blake/Ryan really did manipulate this whole thing to "steal" this movie and targeted Baldoni because they saw him for what he is -- a self-absorbed fraud with poor management skills -- and took advantage. That makes them pretty terrible but it is not vindicating for Baldoni.

There is no scenario here where Baldoni is redeemed as an innocent victim in the eyes of the industry. Maybe in the eyes of some fans but how many of those people are actually consuming Baldoni's movies or care about him as an actor or director? I think some people have latched onto him as a poster child for the wrongly accused man but based on everything we know about this situation, he is far from innocent. I think it's possible that what he did on sit falls well short of legal harassment, but that doesn't mean his behavior is okay or deserves to be applauded. I've had plenty of crappy bosses with similar qualities -- passive aggressive about everything, nice to everyone's face but then constantly complaining/talking $hit behind backs, get resentful when people are direct or ask for things (even though the nature of being the boss is that people will be asking you for things), have weird or nonexistent boundaries with everyone an no self-awareness of how that's a problem for someone in a leadership role, talk waaaaay too much about their sex life/mental health/personal history than is professional, have weird ideas about what is normal or appropriate and try to force them on other people. All of this sucks and should not be acceptable in a workplace. Is it "sexual harassment"? In most cases no, but I would have no issue with someone calling out a person like this and even suing them. Working for someone like this is a misery and I sense that set was quite unpleasant for a lot of people not named Blake Lively because of him.

Be careful about making this guy your hero here. There's a lot of evidence he sucks even if he's not guilty of what Livley is accusing him of. We'll see.

It’s so funny how I know exactly which of the Lively regulars wrote this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People also keep posting the stupidestbunsubstantiated gossip here and then keep repeating it over and over, like Trump, as though previously “normal” people are learning from him that if you just keep repeating the same lies over and over then maybe eventually people will start to believe it. I really do not understand how people have the time to spend their days digging up and reposting this stuff but whatever, have at it. The people/person posting that Lively is “done” and is “evil” can’t make this happen just by posting it over and over, and I don’t think it’s good for your mental health, but I guess it’s a free website lol.

And yer you post plenty of pro Lively nonsense here and we all know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People also keep posting the stupidestbunsubstantiated gossip here and then keep repeating it over and over, like Trump, as though previously “normal” people are learning from him that if you just keep repeating the same lies over and over then maybe eventually people will start to believe it. I really do not understand how people have the time to spend their days digging up and reposting this stuff but whatever, have at it. The people/person posting that Lively is “done” and is “evil” can’t make this happen just by posting it over and over, and I don’t think it’s good for your mental health, but I guess it’s a free website lol.

And yer you post plenty of pro Lively nonsense here and we all know it.

I don’t post made up nonsense though, or indecipherable youtube videos, or screeds about how “evil” Baldoni is, or paragraphs of word salad about how I think he should be made to pay for all of his crimes against Lively and/or humanity, or weird invasive speculation about his marriage or his or his wife’s sexuality. That’s all Team Baldoni. I post facts from the case filings or published print sources.

I also think it’s good for Lively to get out in public and don’t agree she should hide like Baldoni is doing in Hawaii. It’s fine if he wants to. But if m happy to see her get out and start to get back to normality. The people who don’t like it are the weirdos. I wouldn’t want to let those crazies run her life.

[Anonymous]

Eh, actually he does have a history and has been sued twice, more than Lively or Reynolds as far as anyone knows, which is amazing given their fame in comparison — for racial discrimination and improper termination, and also for the stolen ideas from the Five Feet Apart script where Baldoni escaped the lawsuit (Freedman represented the plaintiff, who had cystic fibrosis, and told him that defendants’ pockets were too deep to settle for more and that he should drop his lawsuit, before Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer hahaha that sounds totally aboveboard and correct).

I don't think it's fair to say what Freedman told Flores as if it were fact (unless there is an article quoting Freedman saying this, which I really doubt). We can merely speculate. I'm the same person who asked for sources on the paparazzo story so I'm not saying this on behalf of Baldoni.

Before this movie, Baldoni had not really directed any sex scenes and barely directed kissing scenes, except maybe in his own marriage proposal video? So he may not have had much chance to harass the cast on set.

I also think it's that he worked with much younger and lesser known actors, who either weren't bothered by his behavior or wouldn't have spoken up. I'm not saying he's a harasser but do agree that he seems like a phony who tries to be extra nice and gets overly personal, and I think that plays very well for some actors but would annoy someone more famous like Lively, especially if she perceives Baldoni as beneath her (she may be less offended this behavior from a big Academy Award winning director). That's just my opinion, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good lord. Yes by all means spend your time watching a 45 minute YouTube video to get this persons views up, when no credible media source is actually reporting this story as real with verifiable facts.

I think you guys are just enraged that Lively is attempting to go out in public and live her life again — as she must begin to do to try to minimize damages in the case — and people are accepting her. It is imploding your world view, because you want her destroyed, which is not the view of most normal people.

lol. You’re such an obvious bot. Nobody is accepting them, the public at large finds her and her psycho husband detestable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good lord. Yes by all means spend your time watching a 45 minute YouTube video to get this persons views up, when no credible media source is actually reporting this story as real with verifiable facts.

I think you guys are just enraged that Lively is attempting to go out in public and live her life again — as she must begin to do to try to minimize damages in the case — and people are accepting her. It is imploding your world view, because you want her destroyed, which is not the view of most normal people.

Actually, she’d be objectively better off if she kept a low profile until the lawsuit is over. Every time she opens her mouth, she manages to do something offensive.

Their “team” is milking them dry. Easy marks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Eh, actually he does have a history and has been sued twice, more than Lively or Reynolds as far as anyone knows, which is amazing given their fame in comparison — for racial discrimination and improper termination, and also for the stolen ideas from the Five Feet Apart script where Baldoni escaped the lawsuit (Freedman represented the plaintiff, who had cystic fibrosis, and told him that defendants’ pockets were too deep to settle for more and that he should drop his lawsuit, before Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer hahaha that sounds totally aboveboard and correct).

I don't think it's fair to say what Freedman told Flores as if it were fact (unless there is an article quoting Freedman saying this, which I really doubt). We can merely speculate. I'm the same person who asked for sources on the paparazzo story so I'm not saying this on behalf of Baldoni.

Before this movie, Baldoni had not really directed any sex scenes and barely directed kissing scenes, except maybe in his own marriage proposal video? So he may not have had much chance to harass the cast on set.

I also think it's that he worked with much younger and lesser known actors, who either weren't bothered by his behavior or wouldn't have spoken up. I'm not saying he's a harasser but do agree that he seems like a phony who tries to be extra nice and gets overly personal, and I think that plays very well for some actors but would annoy someone more famous like Lively, especially if she perceives Baldoni as beneath her (she may be less offended this behavior from a big Academy Award winning director). That's just my opinion, of course.

I was going off comments Tim Flores, Travis' father, made on facebook after Travis died in May 2024. After noting the similarity between Travis' and Baldoni's scripts (down to the weird font), his father wrote: "it's not the money now -- it's the recognition Travis never got and should've. He tried to work with Justin on a remedy, he sought guidance and help from Hollywood elitist lawyers and because he didn't have the deep pockets he was pushed away and was told to accept it. all he wanted was maybe a writers credit or something but got nothing and i told Travis I'll get his recognition when it's time and it's time." (Facebook June 5, 2024).

Freedman was Travis Flores' lawyer at the time in this lawsuit so I don't know who else this could refer to besides him. And then, shortly after this, Freedman was Baldoni's lawyer, quelle surprise.

There are screenshots of these comments by his father posted on a reddit sub that is pro-Lively, so I won't post it here, but if you google some of the quote language you will see it. It's true that it's just Facebook and not a news article.

It's no secret that Freedman represented Flores against Baldoni and Wayfarer, and that the case settled with undisclosed (if any) terms. And that shortly after Flores' death -- within a few months -- Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer where Sarowitz's pockets were much deeper than Flores'. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/justin-baldoni-lawyer-bryan-freedman-sued-him-for-stealing-script-from-cystic-fibrosis-sufferer-travis-flores-1236114416/

[Anonymous]

Thank you for providing the quote from Flores' father. It really does help when things are sourced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Eh, actually he does have a history and has been sued twice, more than Lively or Reynolds as far as anyone knows, which is amazing given their fame in comparison — for racial discrimination and improper termination, and also for the stolen ideas from the Five Feet Apart script where Baldoni escaped the lawsuit (Freedman represented the plaintiff, who had cystic fibrosis, and told him that defendants’ pockets were too deep to settle for more and that he should drop his lawsuit, before Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer hahaha that sounds totally aboveboard and correct).

I don't think it's fair to say what Freedman told Flores as if it were fact (unless there is an article quoting Freedman saying this, which I really doubt). We can merely speculate. I'm the same person who asked for sources on the paparazzo story so I'm not saying this on behalf of Baldoni.

Before this movie, Baldoni had not really directed any sex scenes and barely directed kissing scenes, except maybe in his own marriage proposal video? So he may not have had much chance to harass the cast on set.

I also think it's that he worked with much younger and lesser known actors, who either weren't bothered by his behavior or wouldn't have spoken up. I'm not saying he's a harasser but do agree that he seems like a phony who tries to be extra nice and gets overly personal, and I think that plays very well for some actors but would annoy someone more famous like Lively, especially if she perceives Baldoni as beneath her (she may be less offended this behavior from a big Academy Award winning director). That's just my opinion, of course.

I was going off comments Tim Flores, Travis' father, made on facebook after Travis died in May 2024. After noting the similarity between Travis' and Baldoni's scripts (down to the weird font), his father wrote: "it's not the money now -- it's the recognition Travis never got and should've. He tried to work with Justin on a remedy, he sought guidance and help from Hollywood elitist lawyers and because he didn't have the deep pockets he was pushed away and was told to accept it. all he wanted was maybe a writers credit or something but got nothing and i told Travis I'll get his recognition when it's time and it's time." (Facebook June 5, 2024).

Freedman was Travis Flores' lawyer at the time in this lawsuit so I don't know who else this could refer to besides him. And then, shortly after this, Freedman was Baldoni's lawyer, quelle surprise.

There are screenshots of these comments by his father posted on a reddit sub that is pro-Lively, so I won't post it here, but if you google some of the quote language you will see it. It's true that it's just Facebook and not a news article.

It's no secret that Freedman represented Flores against Baldoni and Wayfarer, and that the case settled with undisclosed (if any) terms. And that shortly after Flores' death -- within a few months -- Freedman went on to represent Baldoni and Wayfarer where Sarowitz's pockets were much deeper than Flores'. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/justin-baldoni-lawyer-bryan-freedman-sued-him-for-stealing-script-from-cystic-fibrosis-sufferer-travis-flores-1236114416/

Yes you post.about this repeatedly. No particular reason to bring it up yet again except to increase the length of this thread.