Tell me about St Andrews in Scotland

[Anonymous]

I think if St. Andrews is in the top 3 or top 5 universities in the UK now it must be because it has simply IMPROVED.

When I was at university in the UK it was seen as a joke place where very rich and posh kids who couldn't get into Edinburgh went as an alternative. That is what it was, back then.

Then there was the Prince William effect when it became popular, especially amongst American students. But that was also a while ago.

I do believe that because they were inundated with applications they have been able to siphon off the top candidates, all of whom are much stronger than in the past 20-30 yrs. And with that, more cash and with that the ability to employ better academics and other staff.

So while my take on the place when it was contemporary to me was that it was a joke and a waste of time, I also acknowledge this is old news and things have changed, as they do everywhere, but just in a more extreme and more pronounced way.

I would never dismiss it now, for that reason.

[Anonymous]

St. Andrews is the Northeastern of the UK.

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews is the Northeastern of the UK.

Huge turnoff

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews is the Northeastern of the UK.

Comical. No evidence to back this, only evidence to refute it.

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Old, stodgy, mothballers: How dare St. Andrews improved!!!

[Anonymous]

desperate for int’l $

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Anonymous wrote:St. Andrews is the Northeastern of the UK.

Queen Mary University is the Northeastern of the UK.

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Anonymous wrote:desperate for int’l $

No, while some UK universities definitely are desperate for US dollars, St. Andrews has plenty already. Something close to 20% of all students are from the USA.

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Anonymous wrote:desperate for int’l $

You could say the same for McGill

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Anonymous wrote:desperate for int’l $

As are the top 50 schools in the good, old US of A

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the rules=graduate on time without problems.

Right because we all know that 18-21 year olds always follow the rules.

British students are usually a year older and significantly more mature than Americans

Where on earth did you get this assumption from? Unless they've done a gap year, they're the exact same age as U.S. students.

England and Scotland have different systems. England is 13 years of school (thru upper 6th form) then 3 years at an English university.

Scottish system is the model for the US, 12 years of school from grade 1 and then 4 years of a Scottish university.

"British" really is incoherent in this narrow context.

The US also has 13 years of schooling if you include kindergarten. In England, they call kindergarten year 1 so the equivalent of the US grade 12 is the English year 13. My DD is a teacher at a public school (US definition) in London. She confirmed this for me when I was confused.

If one is counting K, which now is called "reception year" in many English schools, not usually called "year 1", then England normally has 14 years of school.

It is still 1 more pre-college school year in England than is typical in the US. An upper 6th form student in England usually is 19 or almost 19 yo, vice most US HS seniors being 18 or almost 18 yo.

As noted earlier, the Scottish education system is different.

Completely wrong. Reception is before year 1 which is the equivalent of kindergarten. English kids have the same number of years of school as in the US. They are at school from age 5 to 18. Colleges offer three year degrees. In Scotland, high school finishes at 17. They have one year less at school than in England or the US, but universities offer four year degree programs with the first year being more of a foundation course (unlike England where it is immediately specialized).

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Anonymous wrote:Follow the rules=graduate on time without problems.

Right because we all know that 18-21 year olds always follow the rules.

British students are usually a year older and significantly more mature than Americans

Where on earth did you get this assumption from? Unless they've done a gap year, they're the exact same age as U.S. students.

England and Scotland have different systems. England is 13 years of school (thru upper 6th form) then 3 years at an English university.

Scottish system is the model for the US, 12 years of school from grade 1 and then 4 years of a Scottish university.

"British" really is incoherent in this narrow context.

The US also has 13 years of schooling if you include kindergarten. In England, they call kindergarten year 1 so the equivalent of the US grade 12 is the English year 13. My DD is a teacher at a public school (US definition) in London. She confirmed this for me when I was confused.

If one is counting K, which now is called "reception year" in many English schools, not usually called "year 1", then England normally has 14 years of school.

It is still 1 more pre-college school year in England than is typical in the US. An upper 6th form student in England usually is 19 or almost 19 yo, vice most US HS seniors being 18 or almost 18 yo.

As noted earlier, the Scottish education system is different.

I have 6 nieces and nephews who have graduated in England in the last six years and all of them were 18.

Misleading. And you did not note the words "usually" and "or almost", but thank you very much for playing.

Unlike PP, I actually went to school in England, and also to university there.

i think your info is outdated. it's year 13 = 12th grade.

- with 3 kids in english schools

It’s not outdated it’s just completely wrong. English schools have always considered kindergarten to be full school and counted it as the first year of school which, of course, makes 12th grade, “year 13” in the UK. Kids in year 13 virtually always turn 18 between Sept 1 and Aug 31. There is no no redshirting so there’s are not really any exceptions to this.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Follow the rules=graduate on time without problems.

Right because we all know that 18-21 year olds always follow the rules.

British students are usually a year older and significantly more mature than Americans

Where on earth did you get this assumption from? Unless they've done a gap year, they're the exact same age as U.S. students.

England and Scotland have different systems. England is 13 years of school (thru upper 6th form) then 3 years at an English university.

Scottish system is the model for the US, 12 years of school from grade 1 and then 4 years of a Scottish university.

"British" really is incoherent in this narrow context.

The US also has 13 years of schooling if you include kindergarten. In England, they call kindergarten year 1 so the equivalent of the US grade 12 is the English year 13. My DD is a teacher at a public school (US definition) in London. She confirmed this for me when I was confused.

If one is counting K, which now is called "reception year" in many English schools, not usually called "year 1", then England normally has 14 years of school.

It is still 1 more pre-college school year in England than is typical in the US. An upper 6th form student in England usually is 19 or almost 19 yo, vice most US HS seniors being 18 or almost 18 yo.

As noted earlier, the Scottish education system is different.

Completely wrong. Reception is before year 1 which is the equivalent of kindergarten. English kids have the same number of years of school as in the US. They are at school from age 5 to 18. Colleges offer three year degrees. In Scotland, high school finishes at 17. They have one year less at school than in England or the US, but universities offer four year degree programs with the first year being more of a foundation course (unlike England where it is immediately specialized).

In England children start school at age FOUR

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Follow the rules=graduate on time without problems.

Right because we all know that 18-21 year olds always follow the rules.

British students are usually a year older and significantly more mature than Americans

Where on earth did you get this assumption from? Unless they've done a gap year, they're the exact same age as U.S. students.

England and Scotland have different systems. England is 13 years of school (thru upper 6th form) then 3 years at an English university.

Scottish system is the model for the US, 12 years of school from grade 1 and then 4 years of a Scottish university.

"British" really is incoherent in this narrow context.

The US also has 13 years of schooling if you include kindergarten. In England, they call kindergarten year 1 so the equivalent of the US grade 12 is the English year 13. My DD is a teacher at a public school (US definition) in London. She confirmed this for me when I was confused.

If one is counting K, which now is called "reception year" in many English schools, not usually called "year 1", then England normally has 14 years of school.

It is still 1 more pre-college school year in England than is typical in the US. An upper 6th form student in England usually is 19 or almost 19 yo, vice most US HS seniors being 18 or almost 18 yo.

As noted earlier, the Scottish education system is different.

I have 6 nieces and nephews who have graduated in England in the last six years and all of them were 18.

Misleading. And you did not note the words "usually" and "or almost", but thank you very much for playing.

Unlike PP, I actually went to school in England, and also to university there.

i think your info is outdated. it's year 13 = 12th grade.

- with 3 kids in english schools

Actually you're wrong. year 13 is not 12th grade. England has 1 more year of school than the US.
Reception starts age 4 and is the equivalent of K
Then years 1-13

Even if you were correct what you are arguing still means that school finishes at 18, which is does. Reception is the equivalent of PK.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Follow the rules=graduate on time without problems.

Right because we all know that 18-21 year olds always follow the rules.

British students are usually a year older and significantly more mature than Americans

Where on earth did you get this assumption from? Unless they've done a gap year, they're the exact same age as U.S. students.

England and Scotland have different systems. England is 13 years of school (thru upper 6th form) then 3 years at an English university.

Scottish system is the model for the US, 12 years of school from grade 1 and then 4 years of a Scottish university.

"British" really is incoherent in this narrow context.

The US also has 13 years of schooling if you include kindergarten. In England, they call kindergarten year 1 so the equivalent of the US grade 12 is the English year 13. My DD is a teacher at a public school (US definition) in London. She confirmed this for me when I was confused.

If one is counting K, which now is called "reception year" in many English schools, not usually called "year 1", then England normally has 14 years of school.

It is still 1 more pre-college school year in England than is typical in the US. An upper 6th form student in England usually is 19 or almost 19 yo, vice most US HS seniors being 18 or almost 18 yo.

As noted earlier, the Scottish education system is different.

I have 6 nieces and nephews who have graduated in England in the last six years and all of them were 18.

Misleading. And you did not note the words "usually" and "or almost", but thank you very much for playing.

Unlike PP, I actually went to school in England, and also to university there.

i think your info is outdated. it's year 13 = 12th grade.

- with 3 kids in english schools

Actually you're wrong. year 13 is not 12th grade. England has 1 more year of school than the US.
Reception starts age 4 and is the equivalent of K
Then years 1-13

Even if you were correct what you are arguing still means that school finishes at 18, which is does. Reception is the equivalent of PK.

AS per the post above yours - school starts for everyone as soon as they turn FOUR, so you can start in sept or you can start in January if you have a late year birthday etc.