Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

It is "he" unless a sailboat or otherwise specified. Drum yes but lots of men here too!

[Anonymous]

D c u m!

[Anonymous]

What is the source for the allegations that he had a fascination with swords?

[Anonymous]

I really don't think the maids are involved at all.

[Anonymous]

If a pre-planned hit, why no guns involved?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The father's voice is very tense and distracted in the audio voicemail released. Clearly there was chaos around him. I would not give interviews if I were the housekeeper, I would be too scared.

I agree. this is so awful; clearly call made under duress. I know hindsight is 20/20, but why the fuck didn't the housekeeper call police or otherwise investigate if things seemed so off to her? And that b.s. at the end of the interview with her that "God saved my life." No he didn't! The person holding that poor family hostage "saved" your life. So selfish.

Yes. And the million dollar question is: why were they so interested in giving the other housekeeper an alibi? Why would the killers go to such lengths to make it seem like she had nothing to do with the scheme?

Because they didn't want her to walk in on them. It may be as simple as the fact that the perps asked Mr. S who else was due at the house that day and he told them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they really did transfer money to the killers, or somebody associated them, the police would have them identified by now using the transfer records, no? They just need to know which routing numbers the transfer went to and subpoena the receiving bank for the account holder's information.

Isn't the victim known to do business in the caymans? I would think untraceable transfers.

He has an apt in the USVI and was planning to move to PR. No Caymans connection that I've seen.

[Anonymous]

I wonder how the assistant was asked to bring the "package"..text, voicemail, phone call?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The father's voice is very tense and distracted in the audio voicemail released. Clearly there was chaos around him. I would not give interviews if I were the housekeeper, I would be too scared.

I agree. this is so awful; clearly call made under duress. I know hindsight is 20/20, but why the fuck didn't the housekeeper call police or otherwise investigate if things seemed so off to her? And that b.s. at the end of the interview with her that "God saved my life." No he didn't! The person holding that poor family hostage "saved" your life. So selfish.

Yes. And the million dollar question is: why were they so interested in giving the other housekeeper an alibi? Why would the killers go to such lengths to make it seem like she had nothing to do with the scheme?

I think this is so easily explained - in hindsight she says something seemed off, but at the time would you have called the cops? What reasonable person could possibly have construed texts saying not to come in as - gasp - a life or death hostage situation? Wouldn't a thousand other explanations be a million times more probable? They really were sick. The husband was cheating on the wife and wanted his mistress around. The couple was fighting. They were looking at hiring someone else and didn't want her there. Who knows. Any number of reasonable explanations.

There's also a cultural angle being heavily ignored; those of you with hired help, do you really see them ever calling the police to your house on a flimsy hunch? How many of them would be worried of embarrassing you? So many of them are taught to defer to their employers they wouldn't even buck if the thought something was amiss. The whole "God saved me" thing is also cultural: Latinos are die hard religious, they attribute a lot to the hand of god. Her comment was almost certainly a reflection that the text happened through the good grace of divine intervention - not a callous comment not recognizing the father for his role. Just cultural.

All this talk of going to a bank, stealing the artwork, etc seems super fanciful. The simplest explanation is someone broke in, the maid confronted them, she was killed, things escalated and the robbers panicked until, eventually they set the house on fire. See 1999 Starbucks triple murder commuted by a barber.

Yes and the problem with your simple scenario is that if the maid was already dead why would they think another maid would be coming the next day that they would have to cancel?

Maybe someone slipped and shared it by accident. Maybe it was printed on a bulletin board or schedule. Maybe the father told them in an effort to win their trust and confidence. Maybe - the simplest explanation - when it became obvious they weren't leaving someone in the family volunteered the information to try and keep her away for her own good, or perhaps just because they hoped she would find it odd enough.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they really did transfer money to the killers, or somebody associated them, the police would have them identified by now using the transfer records, no? They just need to know which routing numbers the transfer went to and subpoena the receiving bank for the account holder's information.

Isn't the victim known to do business in the caymans? I would think untraceable transfers.

He has an apt in the USVI and was planning to move to PR. No Caymans connection that I've seen.

Link about moving to PR or it didn't happen.

[Anonymous]

Here's a thought. What if deceased maid was in on it and let them in house. Or not in on it, but known to them. But they killed her too. That would explain them knowing her husband would expect her home and maybe come looking for her if she did not return. They instruct husband to call maid to relay message so they don't get caught

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they really did transfer money to the killers, or somebody associated them, the police would have them identified by now using the transfer records, no? They just need to know which routing numbers the transfer went to and subpoena the receiving bank for the account holder's information.

Isn't the victim known to do business in the caymans? I would think untraceable transfers.

He has an apt in the USVI and was planning to move to PR. No Caymans connection that I've seen.

Link about moving to PR or it didn't happen.

Savvas is also listed as a representative at a Maryland law firm, and his Facebook page says he is in charge of a hedge-fund management company. He was slated to start a new job in Puerto Rico soon.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/15/very-suspicious-fire-kills-four-in-home-of-dc-socialites/

[Anonymous]

Housekeeper #2 has a very fancy manicure from what I saw in her interview with Channel 4. I don't know how anyone could clean toilets with those. But that's just me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If they really did transfer money to the killers, or somebody associated them, the police would have them identified by now using the transfer records, no? They just need to know which routing numbers the transfer went to and subpoena the receiving bank for the account holder's information.

Isn't the victim known to do business in the caymans? I would think untraceable transfers.

He has an apt in the USVI and was planning to move to PR. No Caymans connection that I've seen.

Link about moving to PR or it didn't happen.

No, you can go back and read it in this 55-page long thread with links to other articles just like I did!

[Anonymous]

Has anyone seen a statement from American Iron Works or any of the other firms the father worked with? I have found it odd that comments about the family are mostly surrounding school/charity work/donations (which was wonderful).

Just wondering what his professional business reputation was.