Why are people so upset about Common Core?

[Anonymous]

How about we hear from a guinea pigs (uh, student) being subjected to this totally unproven set of standards:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/louis-ck-against-the-common-core.html


Callister 3 hours ago

Common Core is awful. I'm a sophomore who used to actually like school, once upon a time. The past year or so, the majority of time I spent in school was spent daydreaming about dropping out. I was stressed out like crazy, I felt stupid, I felt like a failure, and finally I realized I had to do something, because I didn't want to be caught in that stupid system forever, so I'm homeschooled now, and so far it's a million times better.

Arne Duncan, who dismiss the parental critiques of education policy as whining, should maybe stop dismissing and start listening, because all of these complaints cannot mean nothing. All of these complaints mean we should maybe start making some changes. I don't think I'm brilliant or even very smart at all, but I do know I can't get to that point with Common Core, and I also know I'm not the only student feeling beat up and cheated by it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How about we hear from a guinea pigs (uh, student) being subjected to this totally unproven set of standards:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/louis-ck-against-the-common-core.html


Callister 3 hours ago

Common Core is awful. I'm a sophomore who used to actually like school, once upon a time. The past year or so, the majority of time I spent in school was spent daydreaming about dropping out. I was stressed out like crazy, I felt stupid, I felt like a failure, and finally I realized I had to do something, because I didn't want to be caught in that stupid system forever, so I'm homeschooled now, and so far it's a million times better.

Arne Duncan, who dismiss the parental critiques of education policy as whining, should maybe stop dismissing and start listening, because all of these complaints cannot mean nothing. All of these complaints mean we should maybe start making some changes. I don't think I'm brilliant or even very smart at all, but I do know I can't get to that point with Common Core, and I also know I'm not the only student feeling beat up and cheated by it.

It's not the Common Core standards Callister (and the article) is complaining about -- it is the New York State curriculum, using both Common Core standards and the Core Knowledge curriculum, Core Knowledge adding significant standards in Geography, History, Economics, and Science -- VERY ambitious, and apparently too ambitious for the NY students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How about we hear from a guinea pigs (uh, student) being subjected to this totally unproven set of standards:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/louis-ck-against-the-common-core.html


Callister 3 hours ago

Common Core is awful. I'm a sophomore who used to actually like school, once upon a time. The past year or so, the majority of time I spent in school was spent daydreaming about dropping out. I was stressed out like crazy, I felt stupid, I felt like a failure, and finally I realized I had to do something, because I didn't want to be caught in that stupid system forever, so I'm homeschooled now, and so far it's a million times better.

Arne Duncan, who dismiss the parental critiques of education policy as whining, should maybe stop dismissing and start listening, because all of these complaints cannot mean nothing. All of these complaints mean we should maybe start making some changes. I don't think I'm brilliant or even very smart at all, but I do know I can't get to that point with Common Core, and I also know I'm not the only student feeling beat up and cheated by it.

It's not the Common Core standards Callister (and the article) is complaining about -- it is the New York State curriculum, using both Common Core standards and the Core Knowledge curriculum, Core Knowledge adding significant standards in Geography, History, Economics, and Science -- VERY ambitious, and apparently too ambitious for the NY students.

Should there be a national curriculum that all schools must follow? Should teachers be held responsible if they send home error ridden material for homework?

[Anonymous]

The Common Core is bad because it's a curriculum (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it's not a curriculum.
The Common Core is bad because it's too demanding.
The Common Core is bad because it's too minimal.
The Common Core is bad because it's national (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it isn't national.
The Common Core is bad because it doesn't solve the real problem, which is teachers.
The Common Core is bad because it blames teachers (although it doesn't, actually), who are not the real problem.
The Common Core is bad because pinko commie Obama supports it.
The Common Core is bad because capitalist corporations support it.

What did I leave out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Common Core is bad because it's a curriculum (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it's not a curriculum.
The Common Core is bad because it's too demanding.
The Common Core is bad because it's too minimal.
The Common Core is bad because it's national (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it isn't national.
The Common Core is bad because it doesn't solve the real problem, which is teachers.
The Common Core is bad because it blames teachers (although it doesn't, actually), who are not the real problem.
The Common Core is bad because pinko commie Obama supports it.
The Common Core is bad because capitalist corporations support it.

What did I leave out?

How about you answer the questions?

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that teachers excuse other teachers for sending home error ridden worksheets.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Common Core is bad because it's a curriculum (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it's not a curriculum.
The Common Core is bad because it's too demanding.
The Common Core is bad because it's too minimal.
The Common Core is bad because it's national (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it isn't national.
The Common Core is bad because it doesn't solve the real problem, which is teachers.
The Common Core is bad because it blames teachers (although it doesn't, actually), who are not the real problem.
The Common Core is bad because pinko commie Obama supports it.
The Common Core is bad because capitalist corporations support it.

What did I leave out?

How about you answer the questions?

Not PP - but what questions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Common Core is bad because it's a curriculum (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it's not a curriculum.
The Common Core is bad because it's too demanding.
The Common Core is bad because it's too minimal.
The Common Core is bad because it's national (although it isn't, actually).
The Common Core is bad because it isn't national.
The Common Core is bad because it doesn't solve the real problem, which is teachers.
The Common Core is bad because it blames teachers (although it doesn't, actually), who are not the real problem.
The Common Core is bad because pinko commie Obama supports it.
The Common Core is bad because capitalist corporations support it.

What did I leave out?

How about you answer the questions?

Not PP - but what questions?

I asked the CC teacher if she wants national curriculum and whether or not teachers should be held responsible for sending home worksheets with errors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I asked the CC teacher if she wants national curriculum and whether or not teachers should be held responsible for sending home worksheets with errors

Which "CC teacher"? Multiple different posters have pointed out innumerable times (unless you want to go through 55+ pages of posts and count) that New York's "Common Core" curriculum has a whole lot of stuff that isn't in the Common Core.

[Anonymous]

It's hardly just NY, although it is particularly bad there. I'm in the Midwest, and Common Core is dreadful there as well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I asked the CC teacher if she wants national curriculum and whether or not teachers should be held responsible for sending home worksheets with errors

Which "CC teacher"? Multiple different posters have pointed out innumerable times (unless you want to go through 55+ pages of posts and count) that New York's "Common Core" curriculum has a whole lot of stuff that isn't in the Common Core.

Anyone is free to answer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I asked the CC teacher if she wants national curriculum and whether or not teachers should be held responsible for sending home worksheets with errors

Which "CC teacher"? Multiple different posters have pointed out innumerable times (unless you want to go through 55+ pages of posts and count) that New York's "Common Core" curriculum has a whole lot of stuff that isn't in the Common Core.

Anyone is free to answer

If this is your question, how about you go first? Also please explain what you mean by "national curriculum" and "held responsible".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

It's hardly just NY, although it is particularly bad there. I'm in the Midwest, and Common Core is dreadful there as well.

Which state? "The Midwest" did not adopt the Common Core standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it interesting that teachers excuse other teachers for sending home error ridden worksheets.

My daughter's teacher creates her own material on a daily basis as a way of enlivening the curriculum and in addition to the suggested materials purchased by the country. SOme come from online sources, but she makes a lot herself. (That's the "freedom to be creative" piece people are so worried will be lost with national standards.) If there are a few typos I am not going to get my panties in a wad.

If a published curriculum were riddled with errors, I would expect that material not to be used, and I would find fault with a school district that allowed it to be purchased and used. I would not find fault with a teacher for sending home work from a required text.

The few examples we have seen here from New York State (math curriculum questions that are confusing) I would find unacceptable if they were assigned on a daily basis by an individual teacher. If they are part of an official curriculum adopted by a school district, I would be contacting that school district and holding it accountable for adopting this textbook as there are better ones out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I asked the CC teacher if she wants national curriculum and whether or not teachers should be held responsible for sending home worksheets with errors

Who is the CC teacher? Is it me?

If so.... Yes, I'd love to see Singapore Math (the real one, not the fake US version) adopted as our national math curriculum. I think it is really good, and much better than whatever we are going to be able to come up with on our own.

But that will never happen!