Initial boundary options for Crown/Damascus study

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, is that possible to keep all current clusters and initiate a selective admissions program to Crown HS, like Thomas Jefferson?

Second this.

Too controversial..

It’s really the best option. A good magnet program strengthens the crown high school. Why force people in Churchill and Wootton to leave and cause so much stress and disruption? Especially for Wootton, the parts get split in all options are really the relatively poorer ones in Wootton and many have been affected by federal Reduction in Force and lost jobs this year. Life has been hard for them and why add another burden? Let people who want to be at crown to attend crown.

Seriously! Prior boards made a huge costly mistake with Crown and now they and MCPS staff are pushing to try and salvage the situation. We didn’t need another school when an addition at 4 high schools would have addressed capacity which was the primary reason for building it in the first place. Now you force disruption when most people of all SES prefer to be local to home.

Having an incredible magnet school would naturally pull kids from all over including W schools and it could be made equitable to have a strong population from upcountry and east county.

some of the HS don't have room for additions. But, even if they did, the cost of additions for 4 to 6 HS would be more than building one brand new HS. That's why building a home from scratch is often cheaper than renovating an existing.

Also, this would not address the MS capacity issues.

I'm with you, PP. I (and probably you) have no idea about the logistics and demand of making it a full-on magnet but I'd be for it if it works.

I think more realistic would be to put some magnets into MSs and HSs that have enrollments that force split articulation solutions. That is, if there are mismatches between the MSs going into a given HS, then either the MS or the HS could get a magnet that draws from a broader community to solve the mismatch. In addition to the split articulation issue, the enrollments of the magnets could adjust over time based on the population feeding to the school to avoid over/under utilization in the future (just bring in more/fewer people from outside the boundaries) in a given year. There's a bussing-cost issue with all magnets, I guess, but I think for HSs, this could be addressed by working with Ride On for good routes/timings (MS parents may balk at this though). And maybe building a parking garage or two for juniors/seniors who can drive.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, is that possible to keep all current clusters and initiate a selective admissions program to Crown HS, like Thomas Jefferson?

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no, not gonna happen

Can you explain the reasonings behind it?

MCPS is trying to create smaller regional magnets. For example, they want to convert RMIB to a regional magnet rather than a whole county magnet, and look at creating additional magnets at other schools.

Creating a whole school magnet is counter to MCPS' desire to create more regional magnets.

It's not gonna happen.

That's the perfect way to avoid all split articulation! They can place those magnets in schools where the MS enrollments match the HS enrollment.

This is the only way for MCPS to figure out the programs and boundaries at the same time. It’s going to have to super simple and obvious. Everyone should get behind this, teach them a thing or two about simplicity.

? how would that address capacity issues at QO, RM, Gaithersburg? Putting a regional magnet at, let's say Wootton which is slightly under capacity, would not draw enough students from each of those over capacity schools to alleviate over crowding. And they are not going to make Crown a whole magnet school, per what I stated above.

People have made it abundantly clear these people don't care about overcapacity at QO, RM, Gaithersburg, or Northwest. Thankfully decisions aren't made by W cluster parents.

Exactly, the board who'll be making these decisions in March will be made up of four Silver Spring residents, one resident each of Potomac, Rockville, and Germantown, and a Blair student.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, is that possible to keep all current clusters and initiate a selective admissions program to Crown HS, like Thomas Jefferson?

Second this.

no, not gonna happen

Can you explain the reasonings behind it?

MCPS is trying to create smaller regional magnets. For example, they want to convert RMIB to a regional magnet rather than a whole county magnet, and look at creating additional magnets at other schools.

Creating a whole school magnet is counter to MCPS' desire to create more regional magnets.

It's not gonna happen.

That's the perfect way to avoid all split articulation! They can place those magnets in schools where the MS enrollments match the HS enrollment.

This is the only way for MCPS to figure out the programs and boundaries at the same time. It’s going to have to super simple and obvious. Everyone should get behind this, teach them a thing or two about simplicity.

? how would that address capacity issues at QO, RM, Gaithersburg? Putting a regional magnet at, let's say Wootton which is slightly under capacity, would not draw enough students from each of those over capacity schools to alleviate over crowding. And they are not going to make Crown a whole magnet school, per what I stated above.

People have made it abundantly clear these people don't care about overcapacity at QO, RM, Gaithersburg, or Northwest. Thankfully decisions aren't made by W cluster parents.

You can move a lot of QO, RM, Gaithersburg students to crown then, but still would not fill up Crown.

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, is that possible to keep all current clusters and initiate a selective admissions program to Crown HS, like Thomas Jefferson?

Second this.

no, not gonna happen

Can you explain the reasonings behind it?

MCPS is trying to create smaller regional magnets. For example, they want to convert RMIB to a regional magnet rather than a whole county magnet, and look at creating additional magnets at other schools.

Creating a whole school magnet is counter to MCPS' desire to create more regional magnets.

It's not gonna happen.

That's the perfect way to avoid all split articulation! They can place those magnets in schools where the MS enrollments match the HS enrollment.

This is the only way for MCPS to figure out the programs and boundaries at the same time. It’s going to have to super simple and obvious. Everyone should get behind this, teach them a thing or two about simplicity.

? how would that address capacity issues at QO, RM, Gaithersburg? Putting a regional magnet at, let's say Wootton which is slightly under capacity, would not draw enough students from each of those over capacity schools to alleviate over crowding. And they are not going to make Crown a whole magnet school, per what I stated above.

People have made it abundantly clear these people don't care about overcapacity at QO, RM, Gaithersburg, or Northwest. Thankfully decisions aren't made by W cluster parents.

You can move a lot of QO, RM, Gaithersburg students to crown then, but still would not fill up Crown.

Depends on the option.

Option 1 has Crown pretty much at capacity by year 4 when all 4 years are zoned for it.

The rest of the options have it at about 300 to 500ish under capacity.

[Anonymous]

For those concerned about or otherwise interested in the various changes being proposed to the Wootton cluster, I thought it would be helpful to have the various Change petitions compiled in one place. I've put together a list of the ones I've seen, but please add any I've missed. They seem to share the general theme of minimizing changes to Wootton, though I think the different petitions raise pretty different concerns and issues.

1) Keep Wootton together: https://www.change.org/p/urge-to-preserve-the-integrity-of-wootton-high-school-in-the-crown-boundary-process

2) Don't move Wayside ES to Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/wayside-hoover-churchill-community-on-boundary-study-strong-opposition-to-reassignment

3) Don't move a small Lakewood ES neighborhood away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-divide-lakewood-keep-all-our-community-together-in-wootton

4) Don't move Dufief ES away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-harmful-boundary-changes-keep-dufief-with-frost-and-wootton

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering, is that possible to keep all current clusters and initiate a selective admissions program to Crown HS, like Thomas Jefferson?

Second this.

no, not gonna happen

Can you explain the reasonings behind it?

MCPS is trying to create smaller regional magnets. For example, they want to convert RMIB to a regional magnet rather than a whole county magnet, and look at creating additional magnets at other schools.

Creating a whole school magnet is counter to MCPS' desire to create more regional magnets.

It's not gonna happen.

That's the perfect way to avoid all split articulation! They can place those magnets in schools where the MS enrollments match the HS enrollment.

This is the only way for MCPS to figure out the programs and boundaries at the same time. It’s going to have to super simple and obvious. Everyone should get behind this, teach them a thing or two about simplicity.

? how would that address capacity issues at QO, RM, Gaithersburg? Putting a regional magnet at, let's say Wootton which is slightly under capacity, would not draw enough students from each of those over capacity schools to alleviate over crowding. And they are not going to make Crown a whole magnet school, per what I stated above.

People have made it abundantly clear these people don't care about overcapacity at QO, RM, Gaithersburg, or Northwest. Thankfully decisions aren't made by W cluster parents.

You can move a lot of QO, RM, Gaithersburg students to crown then, but still would not fill up Crown.

Depends on the option.

Option 1 has Crown pretty much at capacity by year 4 when all 4 years are zoned for it.

The rest of the options have it at about 300 to 500ish under capacity.

That’s because part of Wootton is rezoned there. But if you take them out, replace with a magnet program, it would be the best for everyone

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Anonymous wrote:For those concerned about or otherwise interested in the various changes being proposed to the Wootton cluster, I thought it would be helpful to have the various Change petitions compiled in one place. I've put together a list of the ones I've seen, but please add any I've missed. They seem to share the general theme of minimizing changes to Wootton, though I think the different petitions raise pretty different concerns and issues.

1) Keep Wootton together: https://www.change.org/p/urge-to-preserve-the-integrity-of-wootton-high-school-in-the-crown-boundary-process

2) Don't move Wayside ES to Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/wayside-hoover-churchill-community-on-boundary-study-strong-opposition-to-reassignment

3) Don't move a small Lakewood ES neighborhood away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-divide-lakewood-keep-all-our-community-together-in-wootton

4) Don't move Dufief ES away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-harmful-boundary-changes-keep-dufief-with-frost-and-wootton

There are a stone mill one and a new travillah one as well

https://chng.it/6YGjCQhp

https://chng.it/Gz4qsrPS9K

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Anonymous wrote:For those concerned about or otherwise interested in the various changes being proposed to the Wootton cluster, I thought it would be helpful to have the various Change petitions compiled in one place. I've put together a list of the ones I've seen, but please add any I've missed. They seem to share the general theme of minimizing changes to Wootton, though I think the different petitions raise pretty different concerns and issues.

1) Keep Wootton together: https://www.change.org/p/urge-to-preserve-the-integrity-of-wootton-high-school-in-the-crown-boundary-process

2) Don't move Wayside ES to Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/wayside-hoover-churchill-community-on-boundary-study-strong-opposition-to-reassignment

3) Don't move a small Lakewood ES neighborhood away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-divide-lakewood-keep-all-our-community-together-in-wootton

4) Don't move Dufief ES away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-harmful-boundary-changes-keep-dufief-with-frost-and-wootton

There are a stone mill one and a new travillah one as well

https://chng.it/6YGjCQhp

https://chng.it/Gz4qsrPS9K

Thanks! Updated list below. To the Wayside parents who don't want to move - supporting the families who want to stay at Wootton could help your cause. And similarly for the Wootton parents who want to stay at Wootton - supporting the Wayside families that don't want to move to Wootton could help your cause.

1) Keep Wootton together: https://www.change.org/p/urge-to-preserve-the-integrity-of-wootton-high-school-in-the-crown-boundary-process

2) Don't move Wayside ES to Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/wayside-hoover-churchill-community-on-boundary-study-strong-opposition-to-reassignment

3) Don't move a small Lakewood ES neighborhood away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-divide-lakewood-keep-all-our-community-together-in-wootton

4) Don't move Dufief ES away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-harmful-boundary-changes-keep-dufief-with-frost-and-wootton

5) Don't move Stone Mill ES away from Wootton: https://chng.it/6YGjCQhp

6) Don't move Travilah ES away from Wootton: https://chng.it/Gz4qsrPS9K

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You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

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Anonymous wrote:For those concerned about or otherwise interested in the various changes being proposed to the Wootton cluster, I thought it would be helpful to have the various Change petitions compiled in one place. I've put together a list of the ones I've seen, but please add any I've missed. They seem to share the general theme of minimizing changes to Wootton, though I think the different petitions raise pretty different concerns and issues.

1) Keep Wootton together: https://www.change.org/p/urge-to-preserve-the-integrity-of-wootton-high-school-in-the-crown-boundary-process

2) Don't move Wayside ES to Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/wayside-hoover-churchill-community-on-boundary-study-strong-opposition-to-reassignment

3) Don't move a small Lakewood ES neighborhood away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/don-t-divide-lakewood-keep-all-our-community-together-in-wootton

4) Don't move Dufief ES away from Wootton: https://www.change.org/p/say-no-to-harmful-boundary-changes-keep-dufief-with-frost-and-wootton

Can anyone at DuFief share why geographic proximity to school is uniquely unimportant to them when every other parent claims proximity to school is one of the most important factors?? What's uniquely special here that Dufief would prefer to bypass closer middle schools and high schools??

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Anonymous wrote:You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

What about the Wayside/Churchill people? Although they do have significantly more signatures, it seems they are hellbent on moving Wayside to Wootton considering it is in all four options. Hopefully these parents can make something happen. I live in Wayside area although my kids have already graduated. Just concerned Wootton isn't as desireable as Churchill despite everyone claiming it is ranked higher (like one slot higher? LOL)

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Anonymous wrote:You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

What about the Wayside/Churchill people? Although they do have significantly more signatures, it seems they are hellbent on moving Wayside to Wootton considering it is in all four options. Hopefully these parents can make something happen. I live in Wayside area although my kids have already graduated. Just concerned Wootton isn't as desireable as Churchill despite everyone claiming it is ranked higher (like one slot higher? LOL)

Wasting your time too. If not Wayside then it is a different school being moved out of Churchill. If all four option is have Wayside moving then that is probably a done deal.

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Anonymous wrote:You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

What about the Wayside/Churchill people? Although they do have significantly more signatures, it seems they are hellbent on moving Wayside to Wootton considering it is in all four options. Hopefully these parents can make something happen. I live in Wayside area although my kids have already graduated. Just concerned Wootton isn't as desireable as Churchill despite everyone claiming it is ranked higher (like one slot higher? LOL)

Wasting your time too. If not Wayside then it is a different school being moved out of Churchill. If all four option is have Wayside moving then that is probably a done deal.

Yes that is what I think. Honestly, Wootton is a fine school. Hopefully it will be rebuilt. Just grateful we will likely still zoned for a W school.

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Anonymous wrote:You Wootton petition people are wasting your time. There is zero chance that Wootton and QO are not getting shuffled around. There will be major changes to Wootton and QO.

+1 I don't know about major, but yes, Wootton boundary will change.

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Anonymous wrote:City of Rockville all go to RM or Wooton.
City of Gaithersburg all go to Gaithersburg or Crown.
South and west of Gaithersburg and Rockville split between Churchill and QO.
Germantown and Clarskburg split between Northwest, Seneca Valley, Clarksburg.

It's just common sense.

Not really. FG is closer to Crown than Wootton, but FG is Rockville.

Like I said, part of the issue is that some of the schools are so close together that some people who are close to one school will end up at another.

FG is not closer to Crown - its *maybe* almost equidistant but Wootton is closer and accessible via the Millenium Trail. Walking from Fallagrove to Crown has no designated walking routes - there's not even sidewalks on part of the road heading from Key West towards Rio and it requires crossing Shady Grove Road and Key West Highway during rush hour.

This, one can easily bike/walk from Fallsgrove to Wootton entirely on sidewalks, but no way bike/walk to Crown.

Yeah the SFH side is a quick bike ride to Wootton for sure. Only have to cross 28 and Wootton intersection and it is already well lit and has great crosswalks. They also have quick ride on buses to Fallsgrove because half of Wootton goes there for lunch

MCPS has FG as a walk zone to Crown in all 4 options.