I’m not sure if Mamdani’s parents specifically could have afforded one of those schools at the time, but I feel the need to remind everyone that in general the vast majority of smart/talented NYC kids cannot afford to attend Trinity, and financial aid - even if it were strictly merit-based - could not remotely close that gap. Not to mention how many kids are admitted in kindergarten before anybody has a good idea how smart they are. You can certainly argue that Trinity will offer a better education than Bronx Science, but the idea that a typical Trinity graduate is *smarter* than a typical Bronx Science graduate is bananas. |
A better comparison would be Stuy. I am the poster who said earlier that Mamdani is “top 3%” smart, not “top 1%” smart. He did well by entering Bronx science and Bowdoin but he missed on Columbia (and perhaps Stuy). FWIW, there are plenty of “top 3%” or “top 20%” smart kids in both HM and Trinity. HM publishes a detailed breakdown of their GPA and SAT results. Top of the class stats are impressive but not everyone scores as high as the highest achievers. |
Translation: Hitler’s anti-semitism wasn’t the problem, it was his opponent not discussing what he’d actually do! |
They afforded a very expensive private school, one not nearly as competitive. Bronx science admissions is based on a test applicants cram for over years. At Trinity you have to interview and make eye contact and take standardized tests as well. Keep in mind a ton of students join in ninth grade. Same with Horace Mann. Not many K-12 lack significant entry years later on. Thing is, and this speaks to G&T, it’s pretty obvious who will be intelligent at age five. There are numerous studies on this. |
Trinity students have higher SATs at each quartile. Unless you live in the Bronx or northern Queens, very few prefer Bronx Science over Stuy. He almost certainly wanted to stay in Manhattan but couldn’t hack it. Now he wants to take it out on Asians in G&T programs. |
By this token, if you’re not Native American, you should be thrown out of the US. |
Correct. It’s far more impressive. |
Okay. Then white Afrikaner refugees from South Africa should go to Harvard with 1200s on the SAT. They were in Africa longer than Asians. |
College admissions officers and employers would beg to differ |
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This is a thread about the New York City mayor election people. Take your other stuff elsewhere.
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It is relevant to Mamdani’s integrity. Lying about your race to colleges and not getting into ones you have ample connections to speaks to inauthenticity and lack of intelligence |
People also cram for the ISEE/SSAT for years. And the SAT for college. We still accept those as measurements of intelligence. And this doesn't address my larger point, which is that most smart kids can't afford to attend Trinity. If they're smart in a way that's difficult to demonstrate on the SHSAT they might go to Beacon, which is 50% grades / 50% essay, or Townsend Harris, which is 60% grades / 20% essay / 20% video and hence requires a lot of the same skills that would help you do well on an interview, but basically, out of all of the smart kids in NYC, very few of them would even have the option to attend Trinity, regardless of how smart they are. |
And most NYC private school families have zero interest in Stuy or Bronx Science. Every bottom of the barrel graduate of Dalton would be in the top half of Bronx Science. NYC public elementary and middle schools are atrocious, the competition to get into the decent high schools (Stuy, Bronx Science) isn’t that fierce. When 97% of applicants are morons, being in that top 2% isn’t that tough. A kid born into wealth is much more likely to be capable of studying his way into Bronx Science then applying and getting into Trinity. The competition is ferocious. |
Mamdani went to Bank Street K-8, which has essentially the same tuition as Trinity. As a former private K-8 parent, I suspect he went through both the private and public process, and Bronx Science was his best option (meaning he was rejected by Trinity, HM and more prestigious specialized high schools). He went on to attend a very expensive college. |
Right. At every step of the way he didn’t get into the cognitively demanding program he wanted whether it was Trinity, Stuy, or Columbia. Being black wasn’t even enough! |