TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The School Board honored schools with teams winning VHSL state winter and spring athletic and academic championships last night:

Chantilly
Lake Braddock
Langley (4)
McLean (3)
Robinson
South Lakes (2)
West Springfield (3)

TJHSST was not among the schools recognized.

So what? Students are not going to TJ for sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The School Board honored schools with teams winning VHSL state winter and spring athletic and academic championships last night:

Chantilly
Lake Braddock
Langley (4)
McLean (3)
Robinson
South Lakes (2)
West Springfield (3)

TJHSST was not among the schools recognized.

So what? Students are not going to TJ for sports.

This includes academic championships and to be fair, the TJ tennis team is pretty good.

[Anonymous]

TJ was more competitive when it was smaller and not competing in athletic or academic competitions against other high schools in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

[Anonymous]

If you look at the 4 years prior to the chance and the 4 years after, there are, on average, 29 fewer Asian students per admitted clsss - that is an 8% reduction.




And there are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history. Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

Honestly, this isn't (or shouldn't be) about race.
This is about abandoning merit in order to achieve racial results.
We're not asking for more asians, we are asking for more merit.

The class of 2025 PSAT scores are over 100 lower than class of 2024.
All of the top AMC 10 scores were from TJ for the class of 2024.
NONE of the top AMC 10 scores were from TJ class of 2025.
The average SAT score at TJ has exceeded 1500 since at least the resetting of SAT scores to easy mode.
The class of 2025 will likely have an SAT score below 1500.

We abandoned merit for diversity and we didn't even get much diversity. Seriously 12 more black kids out of 550?

I'll agree that COVID has had an impact on academics, but this claim about merit and diversity just doesn't add up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

They are not being denied admission to TJ in disproportionately higher numbers than other cohorts. To assert that they are is to misunderstand statistics.

Asian students still have a stronger chance to be admitted to TJ than non-Asian students on a per-student basis. This is inarguable based on the data from the 2025 process and there's no reason to re-litigate it here.

What is true is that the new process removes many of the advantages that Asian students enjoyed in the old process. Many here will argue that those advantages are earned and deserved through hard work and dedication to academics, and that's fine, but they are advantages no matter how you slice them. They are borne out fairly obviously by the statistics comparing admission offers to applicants in the old process.

What's even more true is that the new process manifestly affords advantages to students from disadvantaged backgrounds. They are admitted at a rate that is higher than those from non-disadvantaged backgrounds.

These are the facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

The reason for this is that there are nearly a thousand more Asian applicants year-over-year than there are of any other demographic. If you would like fewer Asian American students to be denied admission to TJ, a starting point would be to have fewer of them apply in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

The reason for this is that there are nearly a thousand more Asian applicants year-over-year than there are of any other demographic. If you would like fewer Asian American students to be denied admission to TJ, a starting point would be to have fewer of them apply in the first place.

It's funny you don't make that point whe the idiots on your side claim no discrimination exists because most of the kids getting acccepted are asian.
Did you just suddebly realize how fractions worked?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

The reason for this is that there are nearly a thousand more Asian applicants year-over-year than there are of any other demographic. If you would like fewer Asian American students to be denied admission to TJ, a starting point would be to have fewer of them apply in the first place.

It's funny you don't make that point whe the idiots on your side claim no discrimination exists because most of the kids getting acccepted are asian.
Did you just suddebly realize how fractions worked?

Asian american student grew organically at TJ similar to how the black player strength grew organically at NBA. But suppression and discrimination took place at only TJ, though.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

The reason for this is that there are nearly a thousand more Asian applicants year-over-year than there are of any other demographic. If you would like fewer Asian American students to be denied admission to TJ, a starting point would be to have fewer of them apply in the first place.

It's funny you don't make that point whe the idiots on your side claim no discrimination exists because most of the kids getting acccepted are asian.
Did you just suddebly realize how fractions worked?

Asian american student grew organically at TJ similar to how the black player strength grew organically at NBA. But suppression and discrimination took place at only TJ, though.

I'm fine with TJ being 60% or any% Asian, but I find claims of Asian discrimination hard to buy given the facts:
1) TJ is predominately Asian. Asians currently make up a larger percentage of TJ than all other groups combined.
2) TJ selection is race-blind. It is illegal to use race for selection.
3) The largest beneficiary of the selection changes were low-income Asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity


The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

It depends on how one views it. The largest number of declined applicants from single cohort is glaringly obvious.

1. These aren’t real numbers. We don’t have the racial breakdown for the class of 2028 applicants.

2. We do have the breakdown for class of 2025 and Asian students were accepted at a HIGHER rate than average. Not to mention significantly higher numbers than all other groups.

The point being made here is why are over 1000+ asian american students being denied, disproportionately higher in number than other cohorts.

The reason for this is that there are nearly a thousand more Asian applicants year-over-year than there are of any other demographic. If you would like fewer Asian American students to be denied admission to TJ, a starting point would be to have fewer of them apply in the first place.

It's funny you don't make that point whe the idiots on your side claim no discrimination exists because most of the kids getting acccepted are asian.
Did you just suddebly realize how fractions worked?

Asian american student grew organically at TJ similar to how the black player strength grew organically at NBA. But suppression and discrimination took place at only TJ, though.

I'm fine with TJ being 60% or any% Asian, but I find claims of Asian discrimination hard to buy given the facts:
1) TJ is predominately Asian. Asians currently make up a larger percentage of TJ than all other groups combined.
2) TJ selection is race-blind. It is illegal to use race for selection.
3) The largest beneficiary of the selection changes were low-income Asians.

True! When you consider the facts, discrimination does seem far-fetched.

[Anonymous]

from another thread...

algebra 1 count went from 20+ in 2024 before admissions change to 160+ in the 2025 class, and the new class was declared as having more diversity.

"Compared to TJ Class of 2024, the proportion of students in Class of 2025 admitted with the minimal required math background of Algebra 1 in 8th grade increased sevenfold, from 4.5% to 31%"
https://www.fcag.org/documents/TJ_Class_of_2025_analysis.pdf

From Page 3: "Compared to previous years, there is a huge leap in the number of students taking Algebra 1 rather than higher level math. There were 161 students admitted who only had taken Algebra 1 In previous years, that number has been about 20 students ... "

does the increase in lower math students have anything to do with decline in ranking?