Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.


This is where I am as well. As for the misogyny, it definitely exists on DCUM (but it bothers me far more in the relationships forum where the nasty responses are directed to real people with serious problems) but I also don't see the point in continuing to debate it. I certainly don't think all Baldoni supporters are misogynists (there's a few really nasty posters who are for sure and I try to report those). IMO a lot of Lively's claims are thin or have been disproven, but I also understand we're early in discovery and I also understand a lot of her evidence is going to come from depositions we don't have yet, nor do I hold it against her that she didn't make a timeline or a website putting out all her evidence (I don't hold it against Baldoni either for doing that; I just don't think it's fair to say she hasn't put all her evidence out because that's not necessary at this stage). There's a lot about Blake's case that can be questioned for valid reasons, IMO. I don't have a problem with that when the posters are being respectful.


This is an unrealistic view, the best evidence in cases like this is always on the complaint. To assume she has withheld some very convincing evidence is naive.


+1. Why would her team hold back evidence when she is losing the PR battle so badly? That’s not how this works.
Anonymous
What some of you don't get us that when you make these flippant, gossipy comments about whether or not Ryan is abusive, it is rude towards people who have experienced spousal abuse. Sure, this is an entertainment thread, but that doesn't mean we just say crappy things about domestic violence for kicks. And guess what, DV survivors also enjoy celebrity gossip and shouldn't be confronted with casual commentary about abuse (based purely on speculation) loaded with misogynist or victim-blaming judgment.

If you were discussing this case at a cocktail party with neighbors or people from work, would you just casually say "Whatever, everyone knows Ryan is an abuser, but Blake sucks and is too weak to leave him, what a loser"?

If yes, you are a trash person and I don't say that as a defender of Blake, I say that as a person who gives a $hit about other human beings and tries not to be horrible to them for sport.
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Yes.
Anonymous
Internet sleuths are now saying Blake intentionally misled the audience during her time speech to draw a connection to JB, and they’re alleging her mother was actually involved in some sort of altercation (not SA) with another woman at work. Seems plausible because Blake was very careful with her words. She never said her mother was a victim of SA or that the “work acquaintance” was a man, but it was heavily implied. If this turns out to be true, if I were freedman I would add this to their complaint down the road as an example of how the smear campaign against Justin continues. If this is true, I think Blake probably needs to take a step back from the publicity stunts because they keep backfiring.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Internet sleuths are now saying Blake intentionally misled the audience during her time speech to draw a connection to JB, and they’re alleging her mother was actually involved in some sort of altercation (not SA) with another woman at work. Seems plausible because Blake was very careful with her words. She never said her mother was a victim of SA or that the “work acquaintance” was a man, but it was heavily implied. If this turns out to be true, if I were freedman I would add this to their complaint down the road as an example of how the smear campaign against Justin continues. If this is true, I think Blake probably needs to take a step back from the publicity stunts because they keep backfiring.


Blake has referenced her mom over the years and characterizes her as basically an elbowy mean bully, which she thinks is giggle-worthy and aspirational. Like mother like daughter.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Internet sleuths are now saying Blake intentionally misled the audience during her time speech to draw a connection to JB, and they’re alleging her mother was actually involved in some sort of altercation (not SA) with another woman at work. Seems plausible because Blake was very careful with her words. She never said her mother was a victim of SA or that the “work acquaintance” was a man, but it was heavily implied. If this turns out to be true, if I were freedman I would add this to their complaint down the road as an example of how the smear campaign against Justin continues. If this is true, I think Blake probably needs to take a step back from the publicity stunts because they keep backfiring.


Blake has referenced her mom over the years and characterizes her as basically an elbowy mean bully, which she thinks is giggle-worthy and aspirational. Like mother like daughter.


I don’t believe her mother’s story for a minute, (there is video of Blake’s mom asking Ryan, “Should I cry? during the speech. These people are so transparent it’s kind of scary) but if she did experience this kind of violence, it’s all the more puzzling Blake was so tone deaf the marketing of it ends with us. I would blame her PR team, but at this point, I don’t think Ryan and Blake are taking anyone’s advice. This was another big mess for them.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.


But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.


The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.


The legal discussions are so boring and often the posters are incorrect. There are some terrible “attorneys” in this thread.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.


But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.


The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.


The legal discussions are so boring and often the posters are incorrect. There are some terrible “attorneys” in this thread.


Well this thread is about the legal claims. Jeff tried to close it multiple times when it veered into gossip and constant infighting about Blake and Ryan, Blake and Weinstein, Ryan and Scarlett, etc. It was reopened because people begged and said they wanted to discuss the legal claims.

So if that's boring to you, there are tons of other places online to discuss the gossipy stuff.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.


But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.


The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.


The legal discussions are so boring and often the posters are incorrect. There are some terrible “attorneys” in this thread.


Well this thread is about the legal claims. Jeff tried to close it multiple times when it veered into gossip and constant infighting about Blake and Ryan, Blake and Weinstein, Ryan and Scarlett, etc. It was reopened because people begged and said they wanted to discuss the legal claims.

So if that's boring to you, there are tons of other places online to discuss the gossipy stuff.


BS. This is a public thread. We can discuss anything dealing with this case. Jeff allows all of us to post our thoughts on this case and its parties on here as long as it follows community guidelines.

The reality is that this case is a mix of entertainment gossip as well as just being a court case. So elements of both are fine and have been allowed throughout.




Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Internet sleuths are now saying Blake intentionally misled the audience during her time speech to draw a connection to JB, and they’re alleging her mother was actually involved in some sort of altercation (not SA) with another woman at work. Seems plausible because Blake was very careful with her words. She never said her mother was a victim of SA or that the “work acquaintance” was a man, but it was heavily implied. If this turns out to be true, if I were freedman I would add this to their complaint down the road as an example of how the smear campaign against Justin continues. If this is true, I think Blake probably needs to take a step back from the publicity stunts because they keep backfiring.


Blake has referenced her mom over the years and characterizes her as basically an elbowy mean bully, which she thinks is giggle-worthy and aspirational. Like mother like daughter.


I don’t believe her mother’s story for a minute, (there is video of Blake’s mom asking Ryan, “Should I cry? during the speech. These people are so transparent it’s kind of scary) but if she did experience this kind of violence, it’s all the more puzzling Blake was so tone deaf the marketing of it ends with us. I would blame her PR team, but at this point, I don’t think Ryan and Blake are taking anyone’s advice. This was another big mess for them.


They are so transparently fake and detestable. And their team around them is totally incompetent.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.


But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.


The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.


Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.


But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.


The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.


Here is my take on this. This was supposedly a movie about DV. But at every turn, from behind the scenes to its marketing, this movie lost its focus on DV and became one about Betty booze and hair products for sale, Blake and Ryan talking about perineums, that quote implying a bj w/out teeth, and at least one adulterous affair. I could go on.

But they brought all of this and more sexual innuendo into this huge legal ordeal. And you guys are trying to tell us that it’s distasteful to talk about any of the content of the lawsuit (driven by Blake and Ryan) because parts of it is distasteful and hurtful for some of you.

But you flat out tell a pro Baldoni supporter several times that supporter needs to seek therapy for internalizing the case because supporter finds the actions of Lively and Ryan disgusting and hurtful.

Once again, the one-sided logic amazes me.

This case is emotional for many of us.


???? DP but nobody and I mean nobody is telling you it’s distasteful to talk about the contents of the lawsuit. People are telling you it’s distasteful to make up entirely in your own head a scenario of abuse between Lively and Reynolds because you hate them so much, when you don’t know them at all.

It seems like some people are getting very emotionally involved with speculation that is not fact based in a way that doesn’t seem either fair or entirely healthy.

I have been sexually harassed. I also have represented a victim of domestic violence in court and made precedential case law that benefitted other victims, and I understand something about DV and cycles of violence. I am not posting here, though, to work out my trauma. That is not going to happen here, and please don’t think it will. Posting over and over again about how disgusting and hurtful you think Lively is (at this stage), and making up facts about her marriage to make her seem even more awful in your own head, does not seem healthy or helpful, and I agree with to PP that that sort of DV fictional speculation is an awful thing to post on the internet about people you don’t know.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:What some of you don't get us that when you make these flippant, gossipy comments about whether or not Ryan is abusive, it is rude towards people who have experienced spousal abuse. Sure, this is an entertainment thread, but that doesn't mean we just say crappy things about domestic violence for kicks. And guess what, DV survivors also enjoy celebrity gossip and shouldn't be confronted with casual commentary about abuse (based purely on speculation) loaded with misogynist or victim-blaming judgment.

If you were discussing this case at a cocktail party with neighbors or people from work, would you just casually say "Whatever, everyone knows Ryan is an abuser, but Blake sucks and is too weak to leave him, what a loser"?

If yes, you are a trash person and I don't say that as a defender of Blake, I say that as a person who gives a $hit about other human beings and tries not to be horrible to them for sport.


Oh, what!? I'm a victim of spouse abuse and I don't think Blake is a victim but I've also worked in PR and if she wants to come out sort of clean she had better play that up. It's basically the only thing that's her hail Mary pass, she's abused and controlled by her husband who is a notorious ass control freak. That's the sympathy line. She should run with that if she wants to preserve her reputation because right now she's the horrible person who destroyed me too. I think RR was behind all of this from the beginning and she's not abused, busy she's a D list nobody without him so it gets...weird.
Anonymous
I did not know anyone in this case was an ass control freak, let alone a notorious one. I think I might need to see a few TikToks on that.
Anonymous
Blake and Ryan are very much public figures, very much by choice. They have put their lives out there to the public. I know what their children look like, I know what their routines are as they do Pap walks all the time in NYC. They have had countless interviews, talking about their values and their family. They have spilled quite a lot about their private lives.

Since they are out and about every day, we have eyes and ears. We see them whispering things to each other and to their teams, we see their body language. It’s insane to say that we can only talk nice things about these people. Or because they don’t have divorce proceedings actively going on we have to assume have a happy marriage. We see with our own eyes. These things aren’t true.

There are people on this thread, trying to manipulate and it’s not working. It’s not at all a reach to say that Ryan is controlling. You can tell it in his movements and when he’s out in public the way he interacts with her. You have your head up your a—s if you believe some fairytale about these people, but you cannot tell us what we can and cannot post and what we see with our own eyes.

Finally, some of us have had a little more insider information about these people - - they have a lot of business dealings and I definitely have known a few people who have worked with them in some capacity - they are nightmares and all is not what they seem.
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