Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

This is where I am as well. As for the misogyny, it definitely exists on DCUM (but it bothers me far more in the relationships forum where the nasty responses are directed to real people with serious problems) but I also don't see the point in continuing to debate it. I certainly don't think all Baldoni supporters are misogynists (there's a few really nasty posters who are for sure and I try to report those). IMO a lot of Lively's claims are thin or have been disproven, but I also understand we're early in discovery and I also understand a lot of her evidence is going to come from depositions we don't have yet, nor do I hold it against her that she didn't make a timeline or a website putting out all her evidence (I don't hold it against Baldoni either for doing that; I just don't think it's fair to say she hasn't put all her evidence out because that's not necessary at this stage). There's a lot about Blake's case that can be questioned for valid reasons, IMO. I don't have a problem with that when the posters are being respectful.

This is an unrealistic view, the best evidence in cases like this is always on the complaint. To assume she has withheld some very convincing evidence is naive.

What I mean is she has presented a narrative that could be enough for SH. I think her claims are in the complaint. She claims to have witnesses who said he shouldn't be alone with her, that she wasn't given a cover during the birth scene, that people walked in on her undressed, that they talked about porn addiction, that other actresses have complaints. She doesn't have to put their names and exactly what they are going to say in her complaint and she doesn't have to show her texts in the complaint if she doesn't want to. Am i skeptical that what she has is thin and thats why its not upfront? Yes, but I will give the benefit of the doubt during discovery.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

This is where I am as well. As for the misogyny, it definitely exists on DCUM (but it bothers me far more in the relationships forum where the nasty responses are directed to real people with serious problems) but I also don't see the point in continuing to debate it. I certainly don't think all Baldoni supporters are misogynists (there's a few really nasty posters who are for sure and I try to report those). IMO a lot of Lively's claims are thin or have been disproven, but I also understand we're early in discovery and I also understand a lot of her evidence is going to come from depositions we don't have yet, nor do I hold it against her that she didn't make a timeline or a website putting out all her evidence (I don't hold it against Baldoni either for doing that; I just don't think it's fair to say she hasn't put all her evidence out because that's not necessary at this stage). There's a lot about Blake's case that can be questioned for valid reasons, IMO. I don't have a problem with that when the posters are being respectful.

This is an unrealistic view, the best evidence in cases like this is always on the complaint. To assume she has withheld some very convincing evidence is naive.

DP (actually the "open minded" poster the PP is replying to). I don't think there's some surprise smoking gun out there. But what Lively presents in her complaint comes down to one's interpretation of a series of events. I think it's impossible to draw conclusions about those events based on the complaints, with each side presenting a very different interpretation of many of the same events. For instance, why would I draw a conclusion about the "fat shaming" incident with the trainer without having heard from the trainer? How can I draw conclusions about how the birth scene was filmed without testimony from others who were there? I also think it's important to hear both Lively and Baldoni (and Heath and Reynolds and Slate) give testimony where they are cross examined. It's one thing to state "this is what happened" in a complaint, it is something else to have a skilled attorney (and both sides have skilled attorneys working on their behalf) challenge your statements and push you to address inconsistencies, ask follow up questions, etc. Why would I draw conclusions without that? I don't know any of these people. I don't automatically trust any of them to be the most faithful narrator.

And the same with the retaliation claims. The idea of people deciding now what happened there, even based on the text messages we have now, is silly to me. To get a truly full picture of what occurred, of course we need to see Abel, Nathan, and the others under oath.

That's what I mean by evidence. A complaint is an intentionally biased document. It just sits there, unchallenged. I want to see how these competing narratives hold up when they ARE challenged. I'm betting the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but it's honestly not possible to say where at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

The Ryan Reynolds of it all makes the systemic misogyny harder to argue. He is very, very involved with this. All was well and Blake and Justin appeared to be buddies until the strike, when he returned from the Deadpool shoot out of the country, that’s when she started demanding the dailies out of nowhere, then he started showing up on set. He wrote the rooftop scene to her to say that she wrote it? Weird and super schemey. He sounds like a big time manipulator and a control freak. He is very powerful and has been exposed. The PR seems to go through him. Leslie Sloan only texted him and not Blake about HER PR crisis. Weird. He was the one that had an unhinged screaming fest at baldoni that prompted the Sony exec to quit.

He has behaved horribly and it’s safe to say you can be a feminist and not get behind RR.

But you call out, yet continue to excuse it. They are a packaged deal. If RR’s actions are so bad, why don’t feminists encourage Blake to leave him? Either the 1) money is too good to leave 2) he isn’t as bad as you say 3) feminists are a Kay with this level of alpha male toxic inbehavior. It’s how your real men roll, even though it’s hard to deal with at times.

This is why I cannot support the Blake or TS narratives. They actually revel in the toxicity as willing participants.

You can’t be for real. Certainly as a feminist you would know you can’t just tell a woman to leave. Look I don’t know if Blake is into Ryan or what, I do know that he is controlling. If she did
want leave him, he could make things really hard. I don’t think he could do anything like take the kids away or something, but he could make her life significantly harder and he could significantly cut down on the time she sees her kids if they do a 50-50 split. Her kids are still pretty little. Should she have had four kids with this man… I don’t think she should, but that was her choice.

She may also not realize that she’s being emotionally abused which I really think she is. One of the saddest blinds about them, and again I don’t know if this is true but now that I’ve seen the story play out I believe it is, is that he’s really controlling about what she wears and how she presents herself when she leaves the house. That’s my theory of why she was so hard on her postpartum body, it was him in her ear telling her she needed to get in shape and that she wasn’t ready to do this movie.

But I don’t think the feminist thing to do is tell Blake to leave him. He’s very powerful and can be very hard to leave. I don’t blame her for staying.

I am for real. Didn’t Scarlett divorce him? How could she get away but Blake cannot? She moved on and had two other marriages, kids, and is still a box office draw and beauty.

I think what you are trying to say is that Blake chooses to perhaps be a victim in her own marriage. It still doesn’t mean that others have to support it.

If it’s that bad, she could walk away. Others have. But she may convince herself that it’s worth it and she will roll with the abuse.

Not all feminists will view her decision to stay in an abusive marriage (if that’s what it is) as a valid option.

So essentially you’re saying you’re a feminist, but you think all women can be put in the same box and respond the same way to every situation?

They were both very young women who got sucked in by Ryan Reynolds who is much older than both of them. Scarlett is a hell of a lot smarter and she had much more of a career going for her. She had a lot more options frankly. It was pretty clear Ryan resented her success and probably felt like he couldn’t control her. Blake really had nothing else but Ryan so she decided to stick with that. Add on the kids and things get complicated.

Blake is no victim of abuse. She is happy in her marriage. She has options to leave. Tina left Ike with no money in hand and only wearing the clothes on her back. Blake has those options too. Nuts she happy and complicit snd here is why:

Over the past 48 hours, there has been a barrage of articles about them placed on social media. Two articles reference Blake loving on how wonderful Ryan is and how he’s making his dreams come true, and that he does so many wonderful things behind the scenes that most people don’t know about.

Both articles effused shuck and awe by Blake of her hubby Ryan, her hero.

So there it is. As of this weekend, she is absolutely crazy about Ryan. Just go to people and the other social sites.

It’s not that complicated. Like I said, they are in this together and she doesn’t want to give him up. It’s not that she can’t, though you think Scarlett has more brains and more options (though she has kids too, and has been divorced a couple of times).

Blake loves her marriage and is in it for the long run.

Feminism can be viewed in different ways. She complains about alleged sh from Baldoni, but is alright with abuse from her own husband. Yep, that is complex.

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Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

[Anonymous]

Pp: For the record, I don’t think she is being abused. I think he may have expectations and that gets tough from time to time. But she had 4 kids from him. Either she has very low self-esteem and believes in her mind that she can’t leave him, or she really doesn’t want to leave him.

I think she enjoys the role of being Mrs. Ryan Reynolds.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

The Ryan Reynolds of it all makes the systemic misogyny harder to argue. He is very, very involved with this. All was well and Blake and Justin appeared to be buddies until the strike, when he returned from the Deadpool shoot out of the country, that’s when she started demanding the dailies out of nowhere, then he started showing up on set. He wrote the rooftop scene to her to say that she wrote it? Weird and super schemey. He sounds like a big time manipulator and a control freak. He is very powerful and has been exposed. The PR seems to go through him. Leslie Sloan only texted him and not Blake about HER PR crisis. Weird. He was the one that had an unhinged screaming fest at baldoni that prompted the Sony exec to quit.

He has behaved horribly and it’s safe to say you can be a feminist and not get behind RR.

This not an explanation for why comments on this site about how Lively is evil and is ruining Baldoni’s life for fun aren’t misogynistic. You guys just add in hate posts about Reynolds as a fun bonus. If you look, the majority of hate posts in here are always about Lively. And most of the dredging up about stuff from 20 years ago is also about Lively. The glee in posting pages and pages and pages here — much much more than the 50 pages Harvey Weinstein or any male celebrity ever got — is still stemming from the little rush of excitement you’re getting from hunting a woman.

I’ve posted pretty regularly on this thread, and I’ve never once referenced the rumors about Harvey Weinstein or rumors about Ben Affleck and other things of that nature because I agree it’s not relevant.

But the “if you are against Blake, you are not a feminist” posts that keep getting repeated is just tiring. At this point it’s not even worth defending. It’s pretty clear if that is the argument, you have no argument.

To me it just reads, well she has no case, but she’s a woman so I’m going to believe her. Cool if that is your thing but you’re not going to convince any of us.

I don’t think I said that everyone against Lively is a misogynist, and I’m sorry if it came across that way. You can certainly agree with Baldoni and his evidence without being a misogynist. I just think a lot of what’s posted here that is anti-Lively is written for the purpose of taking her down, rather than being persuasive about the evidence, and then other people chime in are are like “yeah, right on!” (And nobody says “hey wait a minute actually”) and I think that’s the misogyny. It sounds like maybe you’re not doing that, I don’t know. I didn’t mean to suggest everyone but I think everyone knows the type of posts I and other posters are talking about.

I’ve made plenty of other arguments, and continue to do so, ha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

This is where I am as well. As for the misogyny, it definitely exists on DCUM (but it bothers me far more in the relationships forum where the nasty responses are directed to real people with serious problems) but I also don't see the point in continuing to debate it. I certainly don't think all Baldoni supporters are misogynists (there's a few really nasty posters who are for sure and I try to report those). IMO a lot of Lively's claims are thin or have been disproven, but I also understand we're early in discovery and I also understand a lot of her evidence is going to come from depositions we don't have yet, nor do I hold it against her that she didn't make a timeline or a website putting out all her evidence (I don't hold it against Baldoni either for doing that; I just don't think it's fair to say she hasn't put all her evidence out because that's not necessary at this stage). There's a lot about Blake's case that can be questioned for valid reasons, IMO. I don't have a problem with that when the posters are being respectful.

This is an unrealistic view, the best evidence in cases like this is always on the complaint. To assume she has withheld some very convincing evidence is naive.

What I mean is she has presented a narrative that could be enough for SH. I think her claims are in the complaint. She claims to have witnesses who said he shouldn't be alone with her, that she wasn't given a cover during the birth scene, that people walked in on her undressed, that they talked about porn addiction, that other actresses have complaints. She doesn't have to put their names and exactly what they are going to say in her complaint and she doesn't have to show her texts in the complaint if she doesn't want to. Am i skeptical that what she has is thin and thats why its not upfront? Yes, but I will give the benefit of the doubt during discovery.

But even most of what you wrote has been disputed. Baldoni has been very open about his past p addiction, so him mentioning that and her calling that sexual harassment is a stretch for most people.

Baldoni is not some newcomer. He’s been in the industry a long time for him to all of a sudden start sexually harassing someone, and for that someone to be such a powerful actress and celebrity, would be very strange.

Add onto the fact that some of her complaints have been blatantly disputed. She says she was shown p-rn and now we know it was someone’s wife after childbirth. I’m sorry, but that is just objectively not p-rn.

She said during the dancing scene he kissed her when they weren’t supposed to be talking and said some really creepy things. Then we see a video where she was the one encouraging them to be talking, and what he said, wasn’t creepy at all it was referencing her body spray.

So far the only costars who have said anything have been overwhelmingly positive - on panels before the movie premiere, text that we have seen that they’ve sent him - and then we find out Blake has a sleepover with Isabella and styles her and pays for her to go on a trip and then all of a sudden Brendan has all these movie rolls announced and lo and behold, Ryan Reynolds has a link to all of them. Sorry, but I’ve seen enough. You can wait for discovery, but I don’t need to.

[Anonymous]

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I think Blake Lively is annoying, not a great actress, and has done some shameless and probably unethical things in this conflict.

I also think it's possible she was sexually harassed, and I think it's likely she was retaliated against based on the evidence we've seen. I'm willing to withhold judgment on these issues until there is enough actual evidence to determine, including testimony from the parties and witnesses.

Given that position, I do find a lot of the "Blake is evil, she made this all up, she's ruining this man's life" rhetoric to be misogynist. Because I can see she's far from a perfect victim, but I can still stay open minded given there's a lot we don't know. When people cannot stay open minded, and just believe everything Baldoni asserts as truth (even though most of it is not backed up by evidence at this point), I do think people are falling prey to misogynist belief systems.

This is where I am as well. As for the misogyny, it definitely exists on DCUM (but it bothers me far more in the relationships forum where the nasty responses are directed to real people with serious problems) but I also don't see the point in continuing to debate it. I certainly don't think all Baldoni supporters are misogynists (there's a few really nasty posters who are for sure and I try to report those). IMO a lot of Lively's claims are thin or have been disproven, but I also understand we're early in discovery and I also understand a lot of her evidence is going to come from depositions we don't have yet, nor do I hold it against her that she didn't make a timeline or a website putting out all her evidence (I don't hold it against Baldoni either for doing that; I just don't think it's fair to say she hasn't put all her evidence out because that's not necessary at this stage). There's a lot about Blake's case that can be questioned for valid reasons, IMO. I don't have a problem with that when the posters are being respectful.

DP from these two posters (I’m the one who made the “misogyny is the extra spicy ingredient that makes these threads so long) and I agree with these two posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

[Anonymous]

Pp again. I think you are the lively poster who tends to call me out with hyperbole. If I said “Blake looked fat in the movie,” you would respond “ who doesn’t look a bit heavy after birthing 4 kids and running around after them all day. She can only do so much!”

I think this is you and once again, you tend to find my comments and respond with great exaggeration “and CAPS.” It’s noticeable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

[Anonymous]

Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

THIS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

THIS.

+2 Yup. I agree with this too.

[Anonymous]

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Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

THIS.

Oh please. Blake and Ryan have put celebrity above all else. They regularly have pap walks and pitcher highly dysfunctional relationships all over social media. It’s not speculation to say he’s controlling when he sends a really weird sexually charged text to the director of his wife’s movie demanding they change the production schedule based on his film schedule, or that he shows up on set on movie he isn’t involved in or writes a scene that violate writer guild rules and takes over the marketing of the movie and berates someone so bad in a meeting of a movie he is not remotely involved in that it prompts a high level executive who has been in the industry 40 years quit.

Spare me the outrage. They are done and everyone knows it. They are unraveling before our eyes and if they didn’t want us to speculate, they shouldn’t have put their whole lives in front of us for the past 10 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good lord, it is so weird to see people confidently asserting (either way) about abuse in Blake and Ryan's marriage. So weird. THESE PEOPLE ARE TOTAL STRANGERS. You don't know anything. I find speculation about it to be so gross. It's none of our business.

But it’s okay to spend over 500 pages commented on your own legal theories about their cases? And their marriage and work product can’t be questioned?

It’s one thing if Ryan wasn’t being sued, didn’t write the rooftop scene for a movie she was starring in (without authorization by the director), did Nicepool and then shared in a legal document that if he offended or harassed Baldoni, it’s because he probably deserved it. Ryan chewed out Baldoni and called him a sexual predator.


But none of this context from their legal cases allows us to freely speculate about their relationship, or different views of feminism and misogyny?

Isn’t this a case about sexual harassment, or did I get that wrong too?

Alrighty.

The discussions about the legal claims are based on actual legal proceedings. They are grounded in fact. Even a legal theory is at least related to an ongoing legal dispute, even if it turns out to be off base.

The stuff about Ryan and Blake's marriage is pure speculation. It's not like they are in the midst of divorce proceedings like Brad and Angie, or putting their relationship and family on display in a reality show like Alec and Hilaria. As someone who has worked with women who have been abused in marriages, I find a discussion like this so distasteful. The truth is you don't really know how someone's marriage looks from the inside unless you are in it, or are a marriage therapist or maybe certain family members. Speculating about domestic abuse, physical or emotional, in this flippant, uninformed, gossipy way is just awful. AWFUL. It's a serious subject.

Again, what thread and site is this? Why do we have to rehash this every time?

Public thread
Gossip thread
Entertainment and Pop Culture

What is it that you are not getting about dcum? This is not court. We are not sworn under oath by our speculations. And we let you dispense your legal energies here. We are in this space too, and it’s quite alright.