Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have read only a fraction of the zillion posts on this thread, but am I wrong in assuming there are approximately 6 people posting incessantly about this issue on both sides of the debate? Certainly that’s true on AEM. I’m guessing it’s a small handful of people here too. Why?? What is the point of posting the same thing over and over and over and over?

I am actually getting a lot out of it. I used to have some respect for the APE. Now they are in the negatives. I am glad I have had this little learning opportunity.

[Anonymous]

You can keep making baseless ad hominem attacks on me, APE, whoever you want, but you know what?

It doesn’t matter.

The only thing that matters right now is what Duran and the school board decide to do. And right now, they are telling APS staff to prepare to return to school in January. Hurl all the impotent rage you want, but it’s just that - impotent.

[Anonymous]

Time will tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can keep making baseless ad hominem attacks on me, APE, whoever you want, but you know what?

It doesn’t matter.

The only thing that matters right now is what Duran and the school board decide to do. And right now, they are telling APS staff to prepare to return to school in January. Hurl all the impotent rage you want, but it’s just that - impotent.

First: put down the bottle and stop drinking.

Second: do you even know what ad hominem means? Answer: Obviously not.

Third: if you think you are being a good representative of your APE organization then you need to understand that you're NOT.

As far as I can tell there are three of us responding to you during the past 20-30 minutes. I don't know who you are and that is a good thing because you're doing a lousy job representing yourself and APE. Stop while you're ahead.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can keep making baseless ad hominem attacks on me, APE, whoever you want, but you know what?

It doesn’t matter.

The only thing that matters right now is what Duran and the school board decide to do. And right now, they are telling APS staff to prepare to return to school in January. Hurl all the impotent rage you want, but it’s just that - impotent.

First: put down the bottle and stop drinking.

Second: do you even know what ad hominem means? Answer: Obviously not.

Third: if you think you are being a good representative of your APE organization then you need to understand that you're NOT.

As far as I can tell there are three of us responding to you during the past 20-30 minutes. I don't know who you are and that is a good thing because you're doing a lousy job representing yourself and APE. Stop while you're ahead.

There’s that impotent rage again. It’s starting to interfere with your reading comprehension.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have read only a fraction of the zillion posts on this thread, but am I wrong in assuming there are approximately 6 people posting incessantly about this issue on both sides of the debate? Certainly that’s true on AEM. I’m guessing it’s a small handful of people here too. Why?? What is the point of posting the same thing over and over and over and over?

I am actually getting a lot out of it. I used to have some respect for the APE. Now they are in the negatives. I am glad I have had this little learning opportunity.

LOL, no you didn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I have read only a fraction of the zillion posts on this thread, but am I wrong in assuming there are approximately 6 people posting incessantly about this issue on both sides of the debate? Certainly that’s true on AEM. I’m guessing it’s a small handful of people here too. Why?? What is the point of posting the same thing over and over and over and over?

I am actually getting a lot out of it. I used to have some respect for the APE. Now they are in the negatives. I am glad I have had this little learning opportunity.

LOL, no you didn’t.

Okay, you caught me. That definitely was a lie. And now the reason for it has been affirmed by all these posts. Thanks for keeping me on the up and up!

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

+1

I wondered if anyone else read that the same way!

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

+1

I wondered if anyone else read that the same way!

I suppose if you do nothing but sit on your couch all day, you wouldn’t appreciate that when kids run around, their masks can slip out of place. Making sure early elementary kids periodically check that their masks are still on properly is just good parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

My understanding is that APE members generally support prioritizing teacher vaccination, but don’t include it as an issue on their website because when some members started raising the idea months ago, they were accused by teachers as trying to force teachers to take an untested vaccine regardless of the health risks just to reopen schools. So they’ve decided it’s not an issue for them to speak up on and will leave it to the teachers to advocate for themselves if they want the vaccine.

You are always going to have naysayers and dissenters, but I think most teachers would be ecstatic to be able to get the vaccine ASAP. I know I would be!

I just think it would be good to have an issue that BOTH teachers and parents can advocate. You really should be on the same side, not at cross purposes. You are part of the same community. You both love and care about the kids and their education. Maybe you think they are not loving or caring enough... but these kinds of actions are only going to further estrange teachers from the community, not endear them to it.

APE apparently already tried to speak up, and the teachers told them to sit down and shut up. If the teachers now want APE’s support on this, perhaps they should be the one to reach out. It would be rather presumptuous for APE to raise the issue again after being told their input wasn’t welcome by the people they were supporting.

I mean, who are “the teachers” you are talking about? Who exactly did you talk to? How did you talk with them? When did you talk with them? There are a lot of teachers in APS. Maybe you just talked to the wrong ones.

Look, I am just saying you could get a lot more done if you formed a partnership with a healthy number of teachers, rather than estranging the whole profession. I don’t think you are going to up your enrollment of APE teacher members unless you change your tack. Actually, at this point, you might need to come up with a whole new name for the organization/ initiative.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have read only a fraction of the zillion posts on this thread, but am I wrong in assuming there are approximately 6 people posting incessantly about this issue on both sides of the debate? Certainly that’s true on AEM. I’m guessing it’s a small handful of people here too. Why?? What is the point of posting the same thing over and over and over and over?

I am actually getting a lot out of it. I used to have some respect for the APE. Now they are in the negatives. I am glad I have had this little learning opportunity.

LOL, no you didn’t.

Okay, you caught me. That definitely was a lie. And now the reason for it has been affirmed by all these posts. Thanks for keeping me on the up and up!

At least you admit you’re just a troll.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

+1

I wondered if anyone else read that the same way!

I suppose if you do nothing but sit on your couch all day, you wouldn’t appreciate that when kids run around, their masks can slip out of place. Making sure early elementary kids periodically check that their masks are still on properly is just good parenting.

My job as a parent is to make sure I'm buying and providing appropriate clothing for my kids, and that includes buying masks made for little faces that stay in place. If the mask is made correctly and sized appropriately then it will stay in place no matter what. I think my kids could walk through a windstorm and their masks will stay in place.

If the masks your kids wear are not staying in place then there is something wrong with you and the way your kids are wearing their masks.

Be a better parent. I challenge you to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

My understanding is that APE members generally support prioritizing teacher vaccination, but don’t include it as an issue on their website because when some members started raising the idea months ago, they were accused by teachers as trying to force teachers to take an untested vaccine regardless of the health risks just to reopen schools. So they’ve decided it’s not an issue for them to speak up on and will leave it to the teachers to advocate for themselves if they want the vaccine.

You are always going to have naysayers and dissenters, but I think most teachers would be ecstatic to be able to get the vaccine ASAP. I know I would be!

I just think it would be good to have an issue that BOTH teachers and parents can advocate. You really should be on the same side, not at cross purposes. You are part of the same community. You both love and care about the kids and their education. Maybe you think they are not loving or caring enough... but these kinds of actions are only going to further estrange teachers from the community, not endear them to it.

APE apparently already tried to speak up, and the teachers told them to sit down and shut up. If the teachers now want APE’s support on this, perhaps they should be the one to reach out. It would be rather presumptuous for APE to raise the issue again after being told their input wasn’t welcome by the people they were supporting.

I mean, who are “the teachers” you are talking about? Who exactly did you talk to? How did you talk with them? When did you talk with them? There are a lot of teachers in APS. Maybe you just talked to the wrong ones.

Look, I am just saying you could get a lot more done if you formed a partnership with a healthy number of teachers, rather than estranging the whole profession. I don’t think you are going to up your enrollment of APE teacher members unless you change your tack. Actually, at this point, you might need to come up with a whole new name for the organization/ initiative.

Let me help you with your reading comprehension. For the third time, I am not a member of APE. I know some members, I’ve talked to them about it, I’ve read their website because I want to know what they actually stand for rather than traffic in ignorance, but I am not a member. I get that it would be a lot more convenient for you if I were, but you’re simply wrong. If you are incapable of understanding that concept, nothing you say can be taken seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

+1

I wondered if anyone else read that the same way!

I suppose if you do nothing but sit on your couch all day, you wouldn’t appreciate that when kids run around, their masks can slip out of place. Making sure early elementary kids periodically check that their masks are still on properly is just good parenting.

My job as a parent is to make sure I'm buying and providing appropriate clothing for my kids, and that includes buying masks made for little faces that stay in place. If the mask is made correctly and sized appropriately then it will stay in place no matter what. I think my kids could walk through a windstorm and their masks will stay in place.

If the masks your kids wear are not staying in place then there is something wrong with you and the way your kids are wearing their masks.

Be a better parent. I challenge you to do it.

Clearly you and your kids aren’t very athletic. Or you’re more careless with your masks than you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

+1

I wondered if anyone else read that the same way!

I suppose if you do nothing but sit on your couch all day, you wouldn’t appreciate that when kids run around, their masks can slip out of place. Making sure early elementary kids periodically check that their masks are still on properly is just good parenting.

My job as a parent is to make sure I'm buying and providing appropriate clothing for my kids, and that includes buying masks made for little faces that stay in place. If the mask is made correctly and sized appropriately then it will stay in place no matter what. I think my kids could walk through a windstorm and their masks will stay in place.

If the masks your kids wear are not staying in place then there is something wrong with you and the way your kids are wearing their masks.

Be a better parent. I challenge you to do it.

This is simply untrue. Setting side the issue of whether schools should reopen, masks are not perfect and anyone engage in physical activity while wearing a mask should periodically check to make sure it’s still fitted properly.