Has Duran gone mad? (APS)

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Awesome. One down and xxx more to go.

(She actually admits to being an APE member?)

I don’t know why you think she wouldn’t. The majority of APS families specifically opted into hybrid (and that’s not including those who didn’t enter a selection and thus defaulted to hybrid), so their views are not out of step with the broader community. They did make the Facebook group private, but that wasn’t because they’re ashamed to be members, it was a safety precaution after some AEM members used the publicly-available member list to track down and personally harass APE members. I could understand after that incident why some APE members might be concerned about personal safety if the crazies find out that they are members, though.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

My understanding is that APE members generally support prioritizing teacher vaccination, but don’t include it as an issue on their website because when some members started raising the idea months ago, they were accused by teachers as trying to force teachers to take an untested vaccine regardless of the health risks just to reopen schools. So they’ve decided it’s not an issue for them to speak up on and will leave it to the teachers to advocate for themselves if they want the vaccine.

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I wouldn’t be so quick to equate APE members with those who selected hybrid for when it is deemed safe. APE wants to open at the peak of the pandemic. I’m doubtful that most hybrid selectees feel that way. I know the APE parent at our PTA meeting thinks everyone is OK going back in January. We may find out soon. Still think teachers/Arlington Ed Association should consider their own suit against APS and perhaps the state on safety grounds.

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I have read only a fraction of the zillion posts on this thread, but am I wrong in assuming there are approximately 6 people posting incessantly about this issue on both sides of the debate? Certainly that’s true on AEM. I’m guessing it’s a small handful of people here too. Why?? What is the point of posting the same thing over and over and over and over?

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

My understanding is that APE members generally support prioritizing teacher vaccination, but don’t include it as an issue on their website because when some members started raising the idea months ago, they were accused by teachers as trying to force teachers to take an untested vaccine regardless of the health risks just to reopen schools. So they’ve decided it’s not an issue for them to speak up on and will leave it to the teachers to advocate for themselves if they want the vaccine.

You are always going to have naysayers and dissenters, but I think most teachers would be ecstatic to be able to get the vaccine ASAP. I know I would be!

I just think it would be good to have an issue that BOTH teachers and parents can advocate. You really should be on the same side, not at cross purposes. You are part of the same community. You both love and care about the kids and their education. Maybe you think they are not loving or caring enough... but these kinds of actions are only going to further estrange teachers from the community, not endear them to it.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

I may start a thread on this, but why doesn’t APE start lobbying actively for teacher vaccination? Call whomever you need to call, start making backroom deals if you have to (I mean, after all, Trump and his goons still run the show, for now). Come up with some scheme to make APS a pilot study of the CDC or something. I would think people living in Arlington might have the government and military contacts to pull this off.

For those teachers afraid to “jump the line” ahead of the nursing homes, I would say at this point a whole lot of vaccine is going to go to waste if people don’t start getting this distributed ASAP. And frankly, I am not sure giving nursing homes priority would lessen community spread more than giving it to teachers (Those studies done with missing data are BS - I am ashamed to be an alum of the university propelling that propaganda).

I would think putting your money and energy into a teacher vaccination “pilot study” rather than a law suit would yield more immediate positive results.

Just an idea but worth exploring?

My understanding is that APE members generally support prioritizing teacher vaccination, but don’t include it as an issue on their website because when some members started raising the idea months ago, they were accused by teachers as trying to force teachers to take an untested vaccine regardless of the health risks just to reopen schools. So they’ve decided it’s not an issue for them to speak up on and will leave it to the teachers to advocate for themselves if they want the vaccine.

You are always going to have naysayers and dissenters, but I think most teachers would be ecstatic to be able to get the vaccine ASAP. I know I would be!

I just think it would be good to have an issue that BOTH teachers and parents can advocate. You really should be on the same side, not at cross purposes. You are part of the same community. You both love and care about the kids and their education. Maybe you think they are not loving or caring enough... but these kinds of actions are only going to further estrange teachers from the community, not endear them to it.

APE apparently already tried to speak up, and the teachers told them to sit down and shut up. If the teachers now want APE’s support on this, perhaps they should be the one to reach out. It would be rather presumptuous for APE to raise the issue again after being told their input wasn’t welcome by the people they were supporting.

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I’m not sure if characterize APE as “supporting teachers.”

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people aren’t judging those who want to be back in the classroom. I’d love my kids to be back in the classroom. But there is still safety to consider. It’s not safe right now, even if it’s very important for your child to be back. Just cause they should have been back in in September doesn’t mean they should be back in now.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please know that keeping students home is not a harmless alternative. Even beyond the learning loss for totally typical students, there are children who are now suffering from depression and engaging in self-harm. There are suicides. There is increased child abuse happening at home. There are students with special needs who will age out of services this year or next who aren't getting necessary job training and other skills development, which will put them at increased risk of homelessness, substance abuse, and premature death. So when you take that position, you are not advocating for a solution that is clearly safer overall, you have simply weighed the risks and made a value judgment about who you feel is expendable.

So you are upset that teachers aren’t choosing themselves as the expendable ones? Please stop with the moralizing. If you want teachers to be happy about going back to the buildings without a vaccine, put your energies into fundraising for hazard pay and a healthy supply of N95 masks for them That might work.

Why do you assume I haven’t? Since late spring I have been advocating at the school, county and state levels for increased funding for PPE and other safety equipment to maximize our ability to reopen safely. I have been hyper-diligent about masking, social distancing, etc., to make sure we don’t personally contribute to virus spread. I want APS to choose the best option for this moment based on weighing the needs and risks of *everyone* involved, not just a single group. Based on all of my own review of the available data and research, I believe that option is to reopen schools with an emphasis on safety precautions and leaving a virtual option for those who need it. That includes teachers who need it because they are high risk. Obviously there still need to be adults in the schools to supervise, but I’m fine with that being an aide to assist a teacher who is teaching remotely.

We're all glad that you're "fine" with it... it seems so long as you aren't the one putting your life on the line... And I'm a parent responding to your post btw. With people like you around no wonder teachers don't want to be in the buildings to teach. I wouldn't be "fine" teaching your kids with you a parent to kids I teach either. Yowza.

I am an attorney who does a lot of work with clients who face barriers to remote engagement (e.g., technology for receiving, reviewing, signing and returning digital documents). I could decline to represent such clients right now, but I don’t because I know how much they need the assistance and don’t have at alternative options. So I meet with them in person as needed, taking all reasonable safety precautions, despite the risk to myself. I am not a teacher, but I am walking the walk here.

OK - are you pushing for APS to implement all reasonable safety precautions?

Entrance & surveillance testing
Air filters
PPE

I already said I was, and have been for months. If you’re going to read that selectively, I can’t help you.

How have you been advocating for that? I only hear a handful of parents pushing for these safety measures. And they aren’t the ones sh1tting on the teachers.

You hear that handful of parents where? I’m guessing AEM. Newsflash: parents might be incredibly vocal advocates where it matters and not be loud on AEM. There are a handful of people that post constantly on AEM and suggest in their comments that other parents aren’t similarly committed. As if posting every thought you’ve ever had on FB was meaningful advocacy.

Then put your money where your mouth is. APE doesn't advocate for any of these things. No safety items on its platform - just open now, it's fine!

Seriously. I am surprised by how many parents would prefer to fund private school tuition rather than do a grassroots fundraiser for N95 masks and a HEPA filter for all public school teachers.. The latter requires more effort, but it would also provide more justification for sanctimoniousness.

Sourcing N95 masks and HEPA filters would be a fool's errand. The goal posts would just be moved again.

excuses excuses. good luck with your lawsuit.

So the community gets the schools masks and filters and everybody goes back? Is that what you're saying?

That’s one component to bringing out kids back safely.

Another big one is entrance and surveillance testing.

The point is the most vocal parents are just pushing to send kids back. Not pushing to make it safe for them to go back.

“Open Schools Now”
should be
“Make Schools Safe”

Is APE opposed to testing and PPE? I didn’t see that on their website.

Also, early on in this parents did try to organized fundraisers for PPE to help schools reopen, but APS said they couldn’t accept it. And that makes sense, because APS needs to have the money budgeted for PPE on an ongoing basis, and not count on continued donations that could dry up suddenly.

Please show me where APE is strongly advocating for those things to open schools safely. Pushing the County Board?

They aren’t. They DGAF about opening schools SAFELY. They just want them open - at all costs.

Unresponsive, but nice try at shifting the goalposts.

I’m not shifting the goal posts. I’ve always been advocating for these things.

APE has not.

They have pushing for schools to open whether those things are available or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure if characterize APE as “supporting teachers.”

Same.

APE wanting to throw teachers into germ-filled cesspools with a bunch of misbehaving kids who won't wear masks or be socially distant or obey rules? Yep. APE wanting to "support" teachers? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

Of course they aren’t “opposed”. Don’t be ridiculous. They also aren’t advocating for safe schools. Only *open schools now*.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people aren’t judging those who want to be back in the classroom. I’d love my kids to be back in the classroom. But there is still safety to consider. It’s not safe right now, even if it’s very important for your child to be back. Just cause they should have been back in in September doesn’t mean they should be back in now.

You are entitled to your opinion, but please know that keeping students home is not a harmless alternative. Even beyond the learning loss for totally typical students, there are children who are now suffering from depression and engaging in self-harm. There are suicides. There is increased child abuse happening at home. There are students with special needs who will age out of services this year or next who aren't getting necessary job training and other skills development, which will put them at increased risk of homelessness, substance abuse, and premature death. So when you take that position, you are not advocating for a solution that is clearly safer overall, you have simply weighed the risks and made a value judgment about who you feel is expendable.

So you are upset that teachers aren’t choosing themselves as the expendable ones? Please stop with the moralizing. If you want teachers to be happy about going back to the buildings without a vaccine, put your energies into fundraising for hazard pay and a healthy supply of N95 masks for them That might work.

Why do you assume I haven’t? Since late spring I have been advocating at the school, county and state levels for increased funding for PPE and other safety equipment to maximize our ability to reopen safely. I have been hyper-diligent about masking, social distancing, etc., to make sure we don’t personally contribute to virus spread. I want APS to choose the best option for this moment based on weighing the needs and risks of *everyone* involved, not just a single group. Based on all of my own review of the available data and research, I believe that option is to reopen schools with an emphasis on safety precautions and leaving a virtual option for those who need it. That includes teachers who need it because they are high risk. Obviously there still need to be adults in the schools to supervise, but I’m fine with that being an aide to assist a teacher who is teaching remotely.

We're all glad that you're "fine" with it... it seems so long as you aren't the one putting your life on the line... And I'm a parent responding to your post btw. With people like you around no wonder teachers don't want to be in the buildings to teach. I wouldn't be "fine" teaching your kids with you a parent to kids I teach either. Yowza.

I am an attorney who does a lot of work with clients who face barriers to remote engagement (e.g., technology for receiving, reviewing, signing and returning digital documents). I could decline to represent such clients right now, but I don’t because I know how much they need the assistance and don’t have at alternative options. So I meet with them in person as needed, taking all reasonable safety precautions, despite the risk to myself. I am not a teacher, but I am walking the walk here.

OK - are you pushing for APS to implement all reasonable safety precautions?

Entrance & surveillance testing
Air filters
PPE

I already said I was, and have been for months. If you’re going to read that selectively, I can’t help you.

How have you been advocating for that? I only hear a handful of parents pushing for these safety measures. And they aren’t the ones sh1tting on the teachers.

You hear that handful of parents where? I’m guessing AEM. Newsflash: parents might be incredibly vocal advocates where it matters and not be loud on AEM. There are a handful of people that post constantly on AEM and suggest in their comments that other parents aren’t similarly committed. As if posting every thought you’ve ever had on FB was meaningful advocacy.

Then put your money where your mouth is. APE doesn't advocate for any of these things. No safety items on its platform - just open now, it's fine!

Seriously. I am surprised by how many parents would prefer to fund private school tuition rather than do a grassroots fundraiser for N95 masks and a HEPA filter for all public school teachers.. The latter requires more effort, but it would also provide more justification for sanctimoniousness.

Sourcing N95 masks and HEPA filters would be a fool's errand. The goal posts would just be moved again.

excuses excuses. good luck with your lawsuit.

So the community gets the schools masks and filters and everybody goes back? Is that what you're saying?

That’s one component to bringing out kids back safely.

Another big one is entrance and surveillance testing.

The point is the most vocal parents are just pushing to send kids back. Not pushing to make it safe for them to go back.

“Open Schools Now”
should be
“Make Schools Safe”

Is APE opposed to testing and PPE? I didn’t see that on their website.

Also, early on in this parents did try to organized fundraisers for PPE to help schools reopen, but APS said they couldn’t accept it. And that makes sense, because APS needs to have the money budgeted for PPE on an ongoing basis, and not count on continued donations that could dry up suddenly.

Please show me where APE is strongly advocating for those things to open schools safely. Pushing the County Board?

They aren’t. They DGAF about opening schools SAFELY. They just want them open - at all costs.

Unresponsive, but nice try at shifting the goalposts.

I’m not shifting the goal posts. I’ve always been advocating for these things.

APE has not.

They have pushing for schools to open whether those things are available or not.

Don't bother with her. Every time she fails to have a logical response to a query or statement, she comes back with "shifting the goalposts." It is the problem with the whole APE group. The only thing they really, really, really want is their kids out of the house and they'll say anything to get it.

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

Of course they aren’t “opposed”. Don’t be ridiculous. They also aren’t advocating for safe schools. Only *open schools now*.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:You can also see APE’s advocacy page, where they specifically advocate for adequate PPE (for which they’ve apparently been fundraising), and for infrastructure improvements to ensure schools are safe environments. I hadn’t paid much attention to APE before this, but I’m actually really impressed by their approach to this.

http://arlingtonparentsforeducation.org/arlington-parents-for-education/our-advocacy/

What I don't see is significant: I don't see concern about enforcement for masks on kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance, and I also don't see concern about enforcement for social distancing by kids 100% of the time and consequences for noncompliance. When I start to see and hear more about what behaviors for kids are not acceptable, what the enforcement practices will be, and what the consequences will be for noncompliance, then I will start to give a hoot about APE. Until then they can take a hike.

There go those goalposts...

APE also doesn’t advocate for better federal coordination of vaccine distribution, but that doesn’t mean they oppose it. Try to remember that policy setting, particularly at the level of detail you’re addressing, is set by APS and not APE.

That isn't moving the goalposts. That is pointing out that the APE folks are two-faced. They want everyone else to do the work but they aren't going to do it with their kids. Don't you wonder what their kids are like in school?

I would bet the kids of APE parents are exactly the types of kids who will walk around with their masks on backwards ("What? I AM WEARING MY MASK...backwards! <hehaw hehaw>") and then their parents will go ballistic if the school reprimands the kids.

Based on the handful of APE members (and their kids) that I do know, you could not be more wrong. But the next time my kids are riding scooters in the cul-de-sac with theirs and she is harping on all of the kids to make sure their masks are over their noses, I’ll show her this post and we’ll both have a good laugh.

Ha! You're actually making the PP's point for her. In my neighborhood our kids run out the door with their masks on, covering their noses, and those masks stay firmly on until the kids run back in the door. What you're saying is that this APE member has to keep reminding her kids, aka your HARPING, so that they do what they're supposed to do. Yeah, I definitely don't want her kids (or your kids) anywhere near my kids either.

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