Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

She was on Fallon talking about him as if he is front lines in Ukraine or a firefighter running into a burning building to save children.

Yeah football is dangerous but in the same way as a stunt man’s job is dangerous or drag racing is dangerous. Travis Kelce is doing it not out of societal necessity but as a choice.

The fact that Taylor seems to put him in the first category and not the second suggests to me that she might be infatuated.

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Anonymous wrote:And to finish….the album is fake & PR so is the Kelce romance. Completely transactional. No way she is serious about this Sasquatch. She’s got damage control to do and is still licking her wounds.

Please go take your meds.

Well, least I’m not boring. Lololol

Not boring? You’re spending a day talking about someone that’s clearly not your cup of tea. Um….

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Anonymous wrote:And to finish….the album is fake & PR so is the Kelce romance. Completely transactional. No way she is serious about this Sasquatch. She’s got damage control to do and is still licking her wounds.

Please go take your meds.

Well, least I’m not boring. Lololol

Not boring? You’re spending a day talking about someone that’s clearly not your cup of tea. Um….

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Anonymous wrote:Her bullying on this album might get her cancelled. Teens on tik-tok are going hyper viral re-exposing her long-term pattern of super creepy predatory behavior, which happened back when they were toddlers:

"Swift was 22 when she dated Robert F Kennedy's son, Conor, in the summer of 2012 when he was 17. During their brief romance, Swift bought a $5 million Cape Cod mansion which was located within walking distance of the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15171561/taylor-swift-exes-ages-controversy.html

Oh god I forgot about that. And then they crashed a Kennedy wedding. So much secondhand embarrassment (and I am a fan but come on, that was cringe).

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

She was on Fallon talking about him as if he is front lines in Ukraine or a firefighter running into a burning building to save children.

Yeah football is dangerous but in the same way as a stunt man’s job is dangerous or drag racing is dangerous. Travis Kelce is doing it not out of societal necessity but as a choice.

The fact that Taylor seems to put him in the first category and not the second suggests to me that she might be infatuated.

How many hours a day do you spent hate watching her? If anyone is infatuated it’s you. His job is dangerous. Her job is to be engaging and interesting in interviews. That you’re hanging on every word taking her very literally says a lot about you. It’s all entertainment.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

DP. Literally never heard of this person. From Wikipedia looks like he’s still alive so don’t get the life on the line thing.

You should just slink back into your hole and not talk about football anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

I’ll play! Yes I do have comments about his “workplace.” His out of control behavior broke a colleagues collar bone. He also yelled at his boss and pushed him. Those things are deal breakers in most work places.

Out of control behavior? You are lost. He missed a block. It happens

Why WOULDN”T you write that up in “job performance complaints?”

Because the guys who aren’t starters miss even more blocks and make even more mistakes. That’s the game.

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Anonymous wrote: I'm surprised by the negative feedback and heretofore never seen visceral reaction that this album has triggered. Surprised because, for some of us, this album is exactly how everyone of her album has sounded with a few exceptions here and there . In other words, it's always been THIS bad.So what happened ?My theory is that, some members of the 'cult' are having inexplicable moments of clarity and are now questioning what they ever saw in her music.

Taylor Swift huge popularity was NEVER totally owed to the quality of her music ( Its never been good)but rather to the never before seen intensity with which she catered and tapped into whiteness ( sorry swifties but it's true ).Her team rightfully calculated that, the return on investment would be massive if they positioned her as a cultural refuge for white women who couldn't care about things like gay rights, BLM, gender equality, #MeToo, reproductive rights etc.One aspect of this has been her cemetery-like silence on virtually anything that had nothing to do with, or did not affect/benefit HER. If you look at the huge pop stars of the last decade like the Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Katy perry just to name those, they've all been vocal about one societal issue or another without necessarily being affected by it . Katy Perry was boisterous in her campaign for Obama , Lady Gaga activism for gay rights was part and parcel of her brand, Beyonce has been open by her support for gay rights, BLM and a host of other issues .

Taylor Swift ? Radio silence . White America loved her for it and rewarded her handsomely. And so, no matter how bland, lackluster and jarringly forgettable the music was, they and their daughters were always going to come out in full force because she was their exit ramp from the highway of activism that they loathe.She was never going to make them uncomfortable by calling them bigots ( which many are ) for their lack of empathy, respect and support for marginalized groups. Taylor Swift has always sold blindingly white whiteness, except now, the cracks are forming.

I'm not a fan of TS (or a hater), I just don't know much about her music. I have sons, not daughters, and am older GenX. Today I heard a music critic on NPR review her latest album, and play clips of multiple songs. I was surprised at how..bubblegum pop bland it all sounds. And similar. Maybe it was always like this? Or explained by her using the same producer as for several other albums? (So said the music critic). Anyway, I have to agree with the PP, TS is bland in her personality in many ways, doesn't rock the boat, comes across like a nice person, and her music is blah too. (Thankfully no Swifties know where I live )

Her music sounded that way to you because..dare I say, you actually have some taste ? And being a gen-x , you grew up with terrific music being made and what not. Someone on reddit said she makes music for people who know nothing about music and boy! Do I have to agree with that one . I mean,even by pop music standards her music is unbearably immature .

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Anonymous wrote:I'm genuinely confused as to why she so drastically changed her type by going for someone like Travis. Why would she do that? It's true that as one PP said, he was her type all along and she was pretending to be into the edgy intellectual types, but she could have gone for someone like Travis from the beginning.

Maybe she grew up and moved away from drug addicted Peter Pans?

The doofus who shotgunned beers last summer on stage at his bachelor's degree ceremony and was kicked off his college team for drugs is so mature.

Work hard, play hard. Do you have comments about his job performance?

I’ll play! Yes I do have comments about his “workplace.” His out of control behavior broke a colleagues collar bone. He also yelled at his boss and pushed him. Those things are deal breakers in most work places.

Out of control behavior? You are lost. He missed a block. It happens

Why WOULDN”T you write that up in “job performance complaints?”

Because the guys who aren’t starters miss even more blocks and make even more mistakes. That’s the game.

Right….. he “risks his life every game” but only if he is playing against a fool like himself.

But to your point- this doesn’t happen that often. It got press because it was an abnormal mistake. Most star running backs don’t take out their own players. He did and so it got press. Why normalize it? It isn’t an every game or every day thing. He messed up. Have you played sports? This will stick in his coaches head as a mistake because it was one. And he needs to get his head back in the game and keep this from happening. This kind of mistake is the difference between world champion chiefs and all the other teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

This is worded more harshly than I’d have put it, but it’s basically how I felt until I saw her appearance on the Kelce podcast right before they got engaged. IDK, to me she seemed blissfully happy and head over heels in love. I think another PP had it right. Taylor WANTS to be sees as an edgy cool artsy creative, but at the end of the day what she really wanted all along was for the hunky star footballer to pick her, give her a fat rock, and worship the ground she walks on.

(Np). I came to the same conclusion after seeing her on Jimmy Fallon. She explained that she didn’t want to do the SuperBowl halftime show because she’s too focused on her incredible boyfriend. I think she even said something like, “every Sunday he puts his life on the line”. Girl, what? She called him a “Gladiator.” I think she’s head over heels smitten and when the rose colored glasses come off, she’s going to be embarrassed at how impressed she was by football.

I saw that interview clip and it was so weird. At first I was on board with the sentiment (football is Travis's thing, so she doesn't want to do the halftime show so that she can just support him doing his thing). But when she started talking about him putting his life on the line, I was like.... wut? First of all, he's not "putting his life on the line" unless you literally mean the line of scrimmage or something. Football is entertainment, Travis isn't making some noble sacrifice for anything that matters. And second, her language made it sound like it would somehow be disrespectful for her to care about her career while Travis was working, like his job was just so much more important than hers. Which makes no sense. They are both entertainers, neither job is inherently more important than the other, but Taylor's job definitely employs more people and has way more people relying on her -- there is only one Taylor Swift but there are other NFL-caliber tight ends.

She reminds me of friends/colleagues/classmates of mine who were very rah-rah feminist in their 20s about wanting egalitarian relationships or not even needing a man at all (whatever, I have my squad, amiright) but then got pretty traditionalist when they got married in their 30s. There's nothing wrong with choosing a traditional marriage if that's what you want, but the 180 can be jarring and you realize that a lot of the "feminist ideals" such women spout are just a persona they were trying on, it's not real to them. It definitely is starting to feel like this might be the case for Taylor.

Your disinterest in football doesn't matter. It's still a very violent dangerous sport. There is no "wut" about it. It may not be noble but it is his job. Remember Damar Hamlin?

She was on Fallon talking about him as if he is front lines in Ukraine or a firefighter running into a burning building to save children.

Yeah football is dangerous but in the same way as a stunt man’s job is dangerous or drag racing is dangerous. Travis Kelce is doing it not out of societal necessity but as a choice.

The fact that Taylor seems to put him in the first category and not the second suggests to me that she might be infatuated.

How many hours a day do you spent hate watching her? If anyone is infatuated it’s you. His job is dangerous. Her job is to be engaging and interesting in interviews. That you’re hanging on every word taking her very literally says a lot about you. It’s all entertainment.

I think you may have me confused with another poster? I was the “NP” poster who mentioned the Fallon interview. I don’t think I’ve posted in this thread before.

I like TS and like the new album. I’m probably sensitive to this because my DH did several tours in Iraq. So her comment that every Sunday, his “life is in the line” seemed tone deaf. But you’re right, I’m probably reading too much into it. It just struck me as… naive. But I am otherwise a fan and wish her and Travis Kelce well!

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Anonymous wrote:Her bullying on this album might get her cancelled. Teens on tik-tok are going hyper viral re-exposing her long-term pattern of super creepy predatory behavior, which happened back when they were toddlers:

"Swift was 22 when she dated Robert F Kennedy's son, Conor, in the summer of 2012 when he was 17. During their brief romance, Swift bought a $5 million Cape Cod mansion which was located within walking distance of the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-15171561/taylor-swift-exes-ages-controversy.html

Oh god I forgot about that. And then they crashed a Kennedy wedding. So much secondhand embarrassment (and I am a fan but come on, that was cringe).

His family spoke very positively of her, even his grandmother. He was not exactly a helpless child.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that a White woman cannot clap back at a hayer who is non-White is absurd. And Charlie XCX is White herself.

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I just laugh at these ignorant race-baiters. They show their ignorance 24/7.

Just factually, Charli is not white. She is half Indian.

And? Her race/ethnicity is irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is revered for her pettiness and vengefulness. It’s part of how fans relate to her.

Yeah, I never get the criticism here. Any show, any book, any movie, any music we listen to it’s all about people figuring their crap out.

“ I’ve been in therapy for years and I’m finally figuring out how to own my own stuff and not rely on other people to meet needs I am responsible for meeting on my own” is great in real life but we want to see that journey not just hear about the destination.

This is not a People magazine cover story. It’s an album.

If people want to like her for her pettiness and vengefulness, I get that. I’m glad some of her fans are owning up to that because they used to berate/insult anyone who called her that. I guess they are maturing? I DO have a problem with someone who is consistently punching down and using vengeance as a platform being called a “good role model” for young girls. I can only see that being a plus if you want to perpetuate mean girl culture.

Anything Taylor does would be seen as punching down. She’s helped many of these young artists and they turn around and crap on her but somehow Taylor’s the one who’s not the girls girl.

Comments like these is why people think some of you are in a cult of personality.Whi the hell are these young artists she's supposedly helped ??? I swear some of you aren't capable of embarrassment .

I’m the person you’re quoting here and I’m actually not some massive Taylor fan but ok if you don’t think Taylor hasn’t helped, or tried to help, young artists.

Two comments from you on Taylor supposedly helping young artists and, inexplicably,you can't name ONE single artist she has 'helped'.

She doesn't help other artists. She uses them for clout. Sometimes she'll "share the spotlight" with artists like Ice spice or Lana del Ray, but she's not investing in their careers or putting them front and center. It's Taylor's world and she's always queen bee.

Why is investing in someone's career required for "helping"? She isn't a record label. She doesn't have a stable of musicians that she's promoting - it's not her job. Just standing on the same stage as Taylor Swift raises interest and internet traffic in an artist's brand - which is helpful for every artist that does it.

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Gracie Abrams and Sabrina Carpenter would certainly agree! Plus, how many young artists has say, Beyoncé helped? Cardi B?

Why pick Beyonce other than your weird obsession with race? They don’t even make the same type of music.

That said Beyonce is notorious with trying to use her star power to manipulate younger artists to sign not great deals with ROC Nation.

I used Beyoncé and Cardi B specifically as examples because we never hear any of the Taylor haters complaining about them “not helping younger performers.” In fact, the Taylor haters give those two a free pass for, well, everything. Which tells me everything I need to know about the “value” of their criticisms.

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Anonymous wrote:She is hilarious and does a spot on impersonation of Carrie Coon from The Gilded Age:

She looks so old now.

She looks great.

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Anonymous wrote:She is hilarious and does a spot on impersonation of Carrie Coon from The Gilded Age:

She looks so old now.

Its not age its the face augmentation, which makes me sad because she's too young for it - woman are peak beauty 30-45. But the plastic surgery isn't about ant-aging yet (it will be within the decade) it is about changing her look for whatever reason - her face is a mask with all the fillers, the eyes more cat like. This is why she was behind the screen at the superbowl - she'd just had work done.

DP. Just stop. She hasn’t had any fillers and you know it.