Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

That's the great part about all of this. Many of the most interested and invested parents will organize and work to make sure the outcome isn't detrimental to their kids. And those uninvested parents with neither the time, desire or resources, oops, oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

That's the great part about all of this. Many of the most interested and invested parents will organize and work to make sure the outcome isn't detrimental to their kids. And those uninvested parents with neither the time, desire or resources, oops, oh well.

Nice one

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

Well they would be hurt in both time and material reality. You don’t get to decide what words mean. But you’re awfully worked up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

I think Flo Analytics has done a superbly bad job at releasing these maps, and not anticipating the fallout. Their actions show they don’t care about the communities that they have disrupted. The name calling here is a direct result of their carelessness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

Well they would be hurt in both time and material reality. You don’t get to decide what words mean. But you’re awfully worked up.

Lots of people seem very worked up

Nobody has been hurt by option 3. Sorry you find that reality triggering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

I think Flo Analytics has done a superbly bad job at releasing these maps, and not anticipating the fallout. Their actions show they don’t care about the communities that they have disrupted. The name calling here is a direct result of their carelessness.

No, they did this with the blessing of MCPS. No consultant just releases their work and holds public sessions without the client on board. A PP made it clear that these were more or less straw men if the desire of the MCPS was to maximize a specific criteria and by no means the final case. Now, MCPS Board gets to sit back and see how the county reacts and pivot accordingly. Make your voice heard.

[Anonymous]

I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

People who suggest all low income kids are disruptive are not being kind. People who insist they should get public schools that are insulated from the problems in the communities of the parents who mow their lawns and clean their houses are not good people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

Well they would be hurt in both time and material reality. You don’t get to decide what words mean. But you’re awfully worked up.

Lots of people seem very worked up

Nobody has been hurt by option 3. Sorry you find that reality triggering.

I think you did not read the full quote, which included “if enacted.” It’s really normal for people to discuss things that could potentially harm them, when those things are presented as possibly coming to fruition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

I think Flo Analytics has done a superbly bad job at releasing these maps, and not anticipating the fallout. Their actions show they don’t care about the communities that they have disrupted. The name calling here is a direct result of their carelessness.

I'm not sure if it's Flo Analytics or MCPS CO staff who are responsible for the website, but this would have been so much clearer if, instead of being labeled as Options 1-4, they were labeled as something like A Scenario Emphasizing Stability, A Scenario Emphasizing Utilization, A Scenario Emphasizing Demographics, and A Scenario Emphasizing Proximity. Then they should have also clearly indicated that their goal is to come up with several options that would address as many of these various emphases as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

This kind of condescending shit while preaching about kindness is unreal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think what people are mostly upset over is the option 3 long bus rides when they are in walk zones. Plus frustration at the deep pockets of poverty that exist and the failure of housing and zoning policy to address that.

People are also frustrated that better opportunities aren’t available at all schools (like all APs - it’s not that hard just make it available online or bus to another high school for first period!). Plus the reality is that some (maybe all) schools have some pretty serious security issues (again that should be fixable).

Of course we need to fill the new schools and everyone understands they could have to move schools. But why should kids have to take long bus rides cross county (East and West) to make up for failed policies? You’re putting it all on them to shoulder, and they’re just kids. Plus their parents who may or may not have reliable transportation. You could be taking away the ability for a kid and their parents to fully participate in all that a school has to offer, just because of transportation. I know I love going to concerts and home games and I just couldn’t do that if the school was a half hour away (and I have a car).

But yes, you are right, some are upset about property values. Just try to have some empathy on that. You’re probably talking $100,000 to $200,000 cut in property value for some areas and that’s going to hurt some families. Maybe affect retirements and sending kids to college etc. so it is a real issue for most families. Be kind on that issue.

We can pretend that we are above that, or it shouldn’t matter, but it does. That doesn’t make it predatory capitalism. You will understand one day when you have a mortgage. (Don’t worry, I fully understand that MCPS is not responsible for my property values and I understand the history.)

Finally, you have to recognize that the playing field is not the same, the Supreme Court has changed, and things sadly just are not the same as they were even 5 or 7 years ago. Recognizing that reality is being a reasonable adult and is not the same as acquiescing.

These issues are hard ones and so glad I don’t have to make these decisions myself. I do think we can all be kind though, not extremist, and empathetic.

This kind of condescending shit while preaching about kindness is unreal.

Not being condescending, it’s just that when you sign that big mortgage … things change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

Ok, they used the word victim. Would “those hurt by Option 3 if enacted” work better for you?

No, because nobody has been "hurt" by option 3, at least not in any tangible way. Demanding we steal the wages of the consultants because of Option 3 is predatory and immoral.

I think Flo Analytics has done a superbly bad job at releasing these maps, and not anticipating the fallout. Their actions show they don’t care about the communities that they have disrupted. The name calling here is a direct result of their carelessness.

No, they did this with the blessing of MCPS. No consultant just releases their work and holds public sessions without the client on board. A PP made it clear that these were more or less straw men if the desire of the MCPS was to maximize a specific criteria and by no means the final case. Now, MCPS Board gets to sit back and see how the county reacts and pivot accordingly. Make your voice heard.

You are right that MCPS (the Board) has also messed up and has no community sense.