Initial boundary options for Woodward study area are up

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Flo Analytics should have their money rescinded.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read all 43 pages of this thread and am pretty disheartened. I have not seen one comment in favor of the more disruptive (to the current status quo) options say a single thing about the prospective quality of education improvement that the potential new Whitman and BCC students would receive. Instead, it’s all about sending Whitman and BCC bus loads of poor kids to somehow stick it to them? If those poor kids have to spend 45 minutes on a bus to (somehow?) upset the rich kids, great!

The kids being bussed from poor communities? Those are kids, not props in your vendetta fantasies. The rich kids you’re sticking it to? Also, just kids. The “foolish” communities that want to stay together? Communities of people (that just want to stay together).

Let’s make every school better and every kid’s life better. Let’s not use them as props against each other.

As a poor family. I sorry you don’t want our kids. Actually some of us aren’t that poor, we make different life choices. The best solution would be to open up another hs lower dcc.

Want to give you a big hug. Your kids are wanted. All kids are wanted. To be fair, from what I have read, I think everyone here welcomes diversity of income, culture and race. The problem is that no one of any income level wants to be bused away from their neighborhoods and rightfully so. Every school needs to be stronger and some underperforming schools need more money, support and staff. Whatever it takes, they should get it.

We are wanted as long as we are not in your schools or competition for your kids. No one wants their kids bussed but maybe this will give those kids opportunities they don’t have to get ahead. Our kids don’t have the same opportunities.

Unfortunately it’s a zero sum game and we don’t get do overs with our kids’ education. I’d support funding more opportunities for your kids through modestly higher property taxes but not at the expense of my own kids’ opportunities or busing them across town. Everyone wants the best opportunities for their children (which is why most of us moved to the best place we could afford) and are looking to preserve that as much as possible in an increasingly uncertain world.

Wow we are all on the same team PP. it’s not a zero sum game.

Are we? There's only one (or few) valedictorians and there's an implicit quota in how many kids from each school matriculate to a particular university. We're not in this together and that's been apparent since I set foot in this county or on DCUM and seen others asking questions about the "preferred preschool to get into the Ivy League" or "my DD has the following stats but they don't have a hook and therefore, didn't get into [insert highly selective university]", especially as our kids get closer and closer to high school. We're more like participants running the gauntlet in The Hunger Games where "may the odds ever be in your favor". This is the meritocracy that we find ourselves in and the system that each of us has to face (or ignore). So forgive me if I don't want my kids being bussed across town to a different school and not the neighborhood school I've already paid a high cost entry fee to get into.

You did not pay a "fee" to "get into" your neighborhood. You purchased an asset, which you can sell or rent out if you want.

I purchased an asset at a several hundred thousand dollar premium to comparable assets because of its access to a desirable public school cluster.

Hard eye roll. You never signed a contract with MCPS to guarantee you that school. That’s a you problem.

You don’t need to be unkind. Even buyers without school age children can and should take school assignments into consideration because it directly impacts home value. While boundaries can and do change, it’s not an unreasonable position to feel you’re not getting what you felt you planned for or a reasonably comparable alternative. MCPS should not be in the position of making numerous families feel bait-and-switched.

Greetings from 2025. MCPS has several overcrowded high schools and has therefore worked to construct two new high schools to reduce or hopefully eliminate overcrowding. In order for that to happen, many students will need to be reassigned to different schools. There is simply no way around that.

Obviously some people will need to shift. But certain proposed options on the table create big changes that no one could have reasonably expected or anticipated. I’m not even personally in this position but it’s obviously upsetting for those who are and I don’t like all the anonymous victim blaming.

There are no victims right now. Nobody has been impacted by these decisions. Some may be worried that their home values are impacted by the simple consideration of them, but you have to understand how entitled and whiny that sounds. MCPS needs to manage its facilities effectively and efficiently. Having schools that are over capacity and others that are under capacity is not efficient. Concentrating poverty in certain schools undermines the kids' education, kids who by and large want to learn, despite some of the truly disgusting stereotypes articulated just in the last few pages of this thread.

I absolutely agree that long bus rides can be disruptive to families of all backgrounds and should be avoided. But this notion that MCPS should be held responsible for your property values is truly absurd and entitled. Learn a little something about how you have personally benefited from the history of oppression perpetrated by the government. Your home value would not be what it is today with is it redlining and racist exclusionary zoning. Jfc.

So let me make sure I understand this correctly... After calling families whiny and entitled and giving a short history lesson on how those families benefited from racist exclusionary zoning policies to get over their concerns... You want those same families to be open minded and embrace boundary changes that appear to have no meaningful benefit? Good luck with that.

Maybe try a different approach instead of being dismissive and condescending towards people that disagree while simultaneously looking for their support. Some of the people you are labeling as whiny and entitled that have unfairly benefited from exclusionary housing policies are the elected officials responsible for making the final decision on the boundary change.

There is no possibility of getting support from people who are so entitled that they think the government should not even DISCUSS options for improving MCPS's ability to effectively educate our kids, for fear of even temporarily impacting their property values. Gmafb. Some people are trash. They can stop being trash if they want but these folks sound way too far gone in their self-centeredness.

This is why progressives lose.

I'm not that progressive actually. But should Democrats appease people who tried to overturn the 2020 election? No, those people should be in prison.

People who can't handle a discussion about boundaries and argue that even just the discussion should not happen, should be laughed out of the room. It really is that extreme.

No one is actually telling you or anyone to stop talking. That’s a straw man you’ve invented. Based on your straw man you are calling people “trash” and likening them to the J6 traitors. You’re the one that is extreme.

I think that shutting down a discussion about public schools because it might harm your property values is very extreme. Sounds like you disagree.

I think it is a factual statement that this could impact property values. Factual statements are not shutting down conversation.

People have posted on this thread that having Option 3 out there will hurt their property values. Someone just posted the consultant should not be paid for their work because of this.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

But they do and are discussing it?

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

And yet, no one is suggesting that discussion end.
Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read all 43 pages of this thread and am pretty disheartened. I have not seen one comment in favor of the more disruptive (to the current status quo) options say a single thing about the prospective quality of education improvement that the potential new Whitman and BCC students would receive. Instead, it’s all about sending Whitman and BCC bus loads of poor kids to somehow stick it to them? If those poor kids have to spend 45 minutes on a bus to (somehow?) upset the rich kids, great!

The kids being bussed from poor communities? Those are kids, not props in your vendetta fantasies. The rich kids you’re sticking it to? Also, just kids. The “foolish” communities that want to stay together? Communities of people (that just want to stay together).

Let’s make every school better and every kid’s life better. Let’s not use them as props against each other.

As a poor family. I sorry you don’t want our kids. Actually some of us aren’t that poor, we make different life choices. The best solution would be to open up another hs lower dcc.

Want to give you a big hug. Your kids are wanted. All kids are wanted. To be fair, from what I have read, I think everyone here welcomes diversity of income, culture and race. The problem is that no one of any income level wants to be bused away from their neighborhoods and rightfully so. Every school needs to be stronger and some underperforming schools need more money, support and staff. Whatever it takes, they should get it.

We are wanted as long as we are not in your schools or competition for your kids. No one wants their kids bussed but maybe this will give those kids opportunities they don’t have to get ahead. Our kids don’t have the same opportunities.

Unfortunately it’s a zero sum game and we don’t get do overs with our kids’ education. I’d support funding more opportunities for your kids through modestly higher property taxes but not at the expense of my own kids’ opportunities or busing them across town. Everyone wants the best opportunities for their children (which is why most of us moved to the best place we could afford) and are looking to preserve that as much as possible in an increasingly uncertain world.

Wow we are all on the same team PP. it’s not a zero sum game.

Are we? There's only one (or few) valedictorians and there's an implicit quota in how many kids from each school matriculate to a particular university. We're not in this together and that's been apparent since I set foot in this county or on DCUM and seen others asking questions about the "preferred preschool to get into the Ivy League" or "my DD has the following stats but they don't have a hook and therefore, didn't get into [insert highly selective university]", especially as our kids get closer and closer to high school. We're more like participants running the gauntlet in The Hunger Games where "may the odds ever be in your favor". This is the meritocracy that we find ourselves in and the system that each of us has to face (or ignore). So forgive me if I don't want my kids being bussed across town to a different school and not the neighborhood school I've already paid a high cost entry fee to get into.

You did not pay a "fee" to "get into" your neighborhood. You purchased an asset, which you can sell or rent out if you want.

I purchased an asset at a several hundred thousand dollar premium to comparable assets because of its access to a desirable public school cluster.

Hard eye roll. You never signed a contract with MCPS to guarantee you that school. That’s a you problem.

You don’t need to be unkind. Even buyers without school age children can and should take school assignments into consideration because it directly impacts home value. While boundaries can and do change, it’s not an unreasonable position to feel you’re not getting what you felt you planned for or a reasonably comparable alternative. MCPS should not be in the position of making numerous families feel bait-and-switched.

Greetings from 2025. MCPS has several overcrowded high schools and has therefore worked to construct two new high schools to reduce or hopefully eliminate overcrowding. In order for that to happen, many students will need to be reassigned to different schools. There is simply no way around that.

Obviously some people will need to shift. But certain proposed options on the table create big changes that no one could have reasonably expected or anticipated. I’m not even personally in this position but it’s obviously upsetting for those who are and I don’t like all the anonymous victim blaming.

There are no victims right now. Nobody has been impacted by these decisions. Some may be worried that their home values are impacted by the simple consideration of them, but you have to understand how entitled and whiny that sounds. MCPS needs to manage its facilities effectively and efficiently. Having schools that are over capacity and others that are under capacity is not efficient. Concentrating poverty in certain schools undermines the kids' education, kids who by and large want to learn, despite some of the truly disgusting stereotypes articulated just in the last few pages of this thread.

I absolutely agree that long bus rides can be disruptive to families of all backgrounds and should be avoided. But this notion that MCPS should be held responsible for your property values is truly absurd and entitled. Learn a little something about how you have personally benefited from the history of oppression perpetrated by the government. Your home value would not be what it is today with is it redlining and racist exclusionary zoning. Jfc.

So let me make sure I understand this correctly... After calling families whiny and entitled and giving a short history lesson on how those families benefited from racist exclusionary zoning policies to get over their concerns... You want those same families to be open minded and embrace boundary changes that appear to have no meaningful benefit? Good luck with that.

Maybe try a different approach instead of being dismissive and condescending towards people that disagree while simultaneously looking for their support. Some of the people you are labeling as whiny and entitled that have unfairly benefited from exclusionary housing policies are the elected officials responsible for making the final decision on the boundary change.

There is no possibility of getting support from people who are so entitled that they think the government should not even DISCUSS options for improving MCPS's ability to effectively educate our kids, for fear of even temporarily impacting their property values. Gmafb. Some people are trash. They can stop being trash if they want but these folks sound way too far gone in their self-centeredness.

This is why progressives lose.

I'm not that progressive actually. But should Democrats appease people who tried to overturn the 2020 election? No, those people should be in prison.

People who can't handle a discussion about boundaries and argue that even just the discussion should not happen, should be laughed out of the room. It really is that extreme.

No one is actually telling you or anyone to stop talking. That’s a straw man you’ve invented. Based on your straw man you are calling people “trash” and likening them to the J6 traitors. You’re the one that is extreme.

I think that shutting down a discussion about public schools because it might harm your property values is very extreme. Sounds like you disagree.

I think it is a factual statement that this could impact property values. Factual statements are not shutting down conversation.

People have posted on this thread that having Option 3 out there will hurt their property values. Someone just posted the consultant should not be paid for their work because of this.

But the first statement is just … true. You seem to actually want to shut off dialogue while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read all 43 pages of this thread and am pretty disheartened. I have not seen one comment in favor of the more disruptive (to the current status quo) options say a single thing about the prospective quality of education improvement that the potential new Whitman and BCC students would receive. Instead, it’s all about sending Whitman and BCC bus loads of poor kids to somehow stick it to them? If those poor kids have to spend 45 minutes on a bus to (somehow?) upset the rich kids, great!

The kids being bussed from poor communities? Those are kids, not props in your vendetta fantasies. The rich kids you’re sticking it to? Also, just kids. The “foolish” communities that want to stay together? Communities of people (that just want to stay together).

Let’s make every school better and every kid’s life better. Let’s not use them as props against each other.

As a poor family. I sorry you don’t want our kids. Actually some of us aren’t that poor, we make different life choices. The best solution would be to open up another hs lower dcc.

Want to give you a big hug. Your kids are wanted. All kids are wanted. To be fair, from what I have read, I think everyone here welcomes diversity of income, culture and race. The problem is that no one of any income level wants to be bused away from their neighborhoods and rightfully so. Every school needs to be stronger and some underperforming schools need more money, support and staff. Whatever it takes, they should get it.

We are wanted as long as we are not in your schools or competition for your kids. No one wants their kids bussed but maybe this will give those kids opportunities they don’t have to get ahead. Our kids don’t have the same opportunities.

Unfortunately it’s a zero sum game and we don’t get do overs with our kids’ education. I’d support funding more opportunities for your kids through modestly higher property taxes but not at the expense of my own kids’ opportunities or busing them across town. Everyone wants the best opportunities for their children (which is why most of us moved to the best place we could afford) and are looking to preserve that as much as possible in an increasingly uncertain world.

Wow we are all on the same team PP. it’s not a zero sum game.

Are we? There's only one (or few) valedictorians and there's an implicit quota in how many kids from each school matriculate to a particular university. We're not in this together and that's been apparent since I set foot in this county or on DCUM and seen others asking questions about the "preferred preschool to get into the Ivy League" or "my DD has the following stats but they don't have a hook and therefore, didn't get into [insert highly selective university]", especially as our kids get closer and closer to high school. We're more like participants running the gauntlet in The Hunger Games where "may the odds ever be in your favor". This is the meritocracy that we find ourselves in and the system that each of us has to face (or ignore). So forgive me if I don't want my kids being bussed across town to a different school and not the neighborhood school I've already paid a high cost entry fee to get into.

You did not pay a "fee" to "get into" your neighborhood. You purchased an asset, which you can sell or rent out if you want.

I purchased an asset at a several hundred thousand dollar premium to comparable assets because of its access to a desirable public school cluster.

Hard eye roll. You never signed a contract with MCPS to guarantee you that school. That’s a you problem.

You don’t need to be unkind. Even buyers without school age children can and should take school assignments into consideration because it directly impacts home value. While boundaries can and do change, it’s not an unreasonable position to feel you’re not getting what you felt you planned for or a reasonably comparable alternative. MCPS should not be in the position of making numerous families feel bait-and-switched.

Greetings from 2025. MCPS has several overcrowded high schools and has therefore worked to construct two new high schools to reduce or hopefully eliminate overcrowding. In order for that to happen, many students will need to be reassigned to different schools. There is simply no way around that.

Obviously some people will need to shift. But certain proposed options on the table create big changes that no one could have reasonably expected or anticipated. I’m not even personally in this position but it’s obviously upsetting for those who are and I don’t like all the anonymous victim blaming.

There are no victims right now. Nobody has been impacted by these decisions. Some may be worried that their home values are impacted by the simple consideration of them, but you have to understand how entitled and whiny that sounds. MCPS needs to manage its facilities effectively and efficiently. Having schools that are over capacity and others that are under capacity is not efficient. Concentrating poverty in certain schools undermines the kids' education, kids who by and large want to learn, despite some of the truly disgusting stereotypes articulated just in the last few pages of this thread.

I absolutely agree that long bus rides can be disruptive to families of all backgrounds and should be avoided. But this notion that MCPS should be held responsible for your property values is truly absurd and entitled. Learn a little something about how you have personally benefited from the history of oppression perpetrated by the government. Your home value would not be what it is today with is it redlining and racist exclusionary zoning. Jfc.

So let me make sure I understand this correctly... After calling families whiny and entitled and giving a short history lesson on how those families benefited from racist exclusionary zoning policies to get over their concerns... You want those same families to be open minded and embrace boundary changes that appear to have no meaningful benefit? Good luck with that.

Maybe try a different approach instead of being dismissive and condescending towards people that disagree while simultaneously looking for their support. Some of the people you are labeling as whiny and entitled that have unfairly benefited from exclusionary housing policies are the elected officials responsible for making the final decision on the boundary change.

There is no possibility of getting support from people who are so entitled that they think the government should not even DISCUSS options for improving MCPS's ability to effectively educate our kids, for fear of even temporarily impacting their property values. Gmafb. Some people are trash. They can stop being trash if they want but these folks sound way too far gone in their self-centeredness.

This is why progressives lose.

I'm not that progressive actually. But should Democrats appease people who tried to overturn the 2020 election? No, those people should be in prison.

People who can't handle a discussion about boundaries and argue that even just the discussion should not happen, should be laughed out of the room. It really is that extreme.

No one is actually telling you or anyone to stop talking. That’s a straw man you’ve invented. Based on your straw man you are calling people “trash” and likening them to the J6 traitors. You’re the one that is extreme.

I think that shutting down a discussion about public schools because it might harm your property values is very extreme. Sounds like you disagree.

I am very doubtful that making changes to school boundaries will have any meaningful change on the achievement gap or overcrowding. So its a really tough sell to ask households to support these changes and just have faith in MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

But they do and are discussing it?

They are discussing how they are victims of this process. How dare there be a process!

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read all 43 pages of this thread and am pretty disheartened. I have not seen one comment in favor of the more disruptive (to the current status quo) options say a single thing about the prospective quality of education improvement that the potential new Whitman and BCC students would receive. Instead, it’s all about sending Whitman and BCC bus loads of poor kids to somehow stick it to them? If those poor kids have to spend 45 minutes on a bus to (somehow?) upset the rich kids, great!

The kids being bussed from poor communities? Those are kids, not props in your vendetta fantasies. The rich kids you’re sticking it to? Also, just kids. The “foolish” communities that want to stay together? Communities of people (that just want to stay together).

Let’s make every school better and every kid’s life better. Let’s not use them as props against each other.

As a poor family. I sorry you don’t want our kids. Actually some of us aren’t that poor, we make different life choices. The best solution would be to open up another hs lower dcc.

Want to give you a big hug. Your kids are wanted. All kids are wanted. To be fair, from what I have read, I think everyone here welcomes diversity of income, culture and race. The problem is that no one of any income level wants to be bused away from their neighborhoods and rightfully so. Every school needs to be stronger and some underperforming schools need more money, support and staff. Whatever it takes, they should get it.

We are wanted as long as we are not in your schools or competition for your kids. No one wants their kids bussed but maybe this will give those kids opportunities they don’t have to get ahead. Our kids don’t have the same opportunities.

Unfortunately it’s a zero sum game and we don’t get do overs with our kids’ education. I’d support funding more opportunities for your kids through modestly higher property taxes but not at the expense of my own kids’ opportunities or busing them across town. Everyone wants the best opportunities for their children (which is why most of us moved to the best place we could afford) and are looking to preserve that as much as possible in an increasingly uncertain world.

Wow we are all on the same team PP. it’s not a zero sum game.

Are we? There's only one (or few) valedictorians and there's an implicit quota in how many kids from each school matriculate to a particular university. We're not in this together and that's been apparent since I set foot in this county or on DCUM and seen others asking questions about the "preferred preschool to get into the Ivy League" or "my DD has the following stats but they don't have a hook and therefore, didn't get into [insert highly selective university]", especially as our kids get closer and closer to high school. We're more like participants running the gauntlet in The Hunger Games where "may the odds ever be in your favor". This is the meritocracy that we find ourselves in and the system that each of us has to face (or ignore). So forgive me if I don't want my kids being bussed across town to a different school and not the neighborhood school I've already paid a high cost entry fee to get into.

You did not pay a "fee" to "get into" your neighborhood. You purchased an asset, which you can sell or rent out if you want.

I purchased an asset at a several hundred thousand dollar premium to comparable assets because of its access to a desirable public school cluster.

Hard eye roll. You never signed a contract with MCPS to guarantee you that school. That’s a you problem.

You don’t need to be unkind. Even buyers without school age children can and should take school assignments into consideration because it directly impacts home value. While boundaries can and do change, it’s not an unreasonable position to feel you’re not getting what you felt you planned for or a reasonably comparable alternative. MCPS should not be in the position of making numerous families feel bait-and-switched.

Greetings from 2025. MCPS has several overcrowded high schools and has therefore worked to construct two new high schools to reduce or hopefully eliminate overcrowding. In order for that to happen, many students will need to be reassigned to different schools. There is simply no way around that.

Obviously some people will need to shift. But certain proposed options on the table create big changes that no one could have reasonably expected or anticipated. I’m not even personally in this position but it’s obviously upsetting for those who are and I don’t like all the anonymous victim blaming.

There are no victims right now. Nobody has been impacted by these decisions. Some may be worried that their home values are impacted by the simple consideration of them, but you have to understand how entitled and whiny that sounds. MCPS needs to manage its facilities effectively and efficiently. Having schools that are over capacity and others that are under capacity is not efficient. Concentrating poverty in certain schools undermines the kids' education, kids who by and large want to learn, despite some of the truly disgusting stereotypes articulated just in the last few pages of this thread.

I absolutely agree that long bus rides can be disruptive to families of all backgrounds and should be avoided. But this notion that MCPS should be held responsible for your property values is truly absurd and entitled. Learn a little something about how you have personally benefited from the history of oppression perpetrated by the government. Your home value would not be what it is today with is it redlining and racist exclusionary zoning. Jfc.

So let me make sure I understand this correctly... After calling families whiny and entitled and giving a short history lesson on how those families benefited from racist exclusionary zoning policies to get over their concerns... You want those same families to be open minded and embrace boundary changes that appear to have no meaningful benefit? Good luck with that.

Maybe try a different approach instead of being dismissive and condescending towards people that disagree while simultaneously looking for their support. Some of the people you are labeling as whiny and entitled that have unfairly benefited from exclusionary housing policies are the elected officials responsible for making the final decision on the boundary change.

There is no possibility of getting support from people who are so entitled that they think the government should not even DISCUSS options for improving MCPS's ability to effectively educate our kids, for fear of even temporarily impacting their property values. Gmafb. Some people are trash. They can stop being trash if they want but these folks sound way too far gone in their self-centeredness.

This is why progressives lose.

I'm not that progressive actually. But should Democrats appease people who tried to overturn the 2020 election? No, those people should be in prison.

People who can't handle a discussion about boundaries and argue that even just the discussion should not happen, should be laughed out of the room. It really is that extreme.

No one is actually telling you or anyone to stop talking. That’s a straw man you’ve invented. Based on your straw man you are calling people “trash” and likening them to the J6 traitors. You’re the one that is extreme.

I think that shutting down a discussion about public schools because it might harm your property values is very extreme. Sounds like you disagree.

I am very doubtful that making changes to school boundaries will have any meaningful change on the achievement gap or overcrowding. So its a really tough sell to ask households to support these changes and just have faith in MCPS.

Which changes? There haven't been any changes yet.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve read all 43 pages of this thread and am pretty disheartened. I have not seen one comment in favor of the more disruptive (to the current status quo) options say a single thing about the prospective quality of education improvement that the potential new Whitman and BCC students would receive. Instead, it’s all about sending Whitman and BCC bus loads of poor kids to somehow stick it to them? If those poor kids have to spend 45 minutes on a bus to (somehow?) upset the rich kids, great!

The kids being bussed from poor communities? Those are kids, not props in your vendetta fantasies. The rich kids you’re sticking it to? Also, just kids. The “foolish” communities that want to stay together? Communities of people (that just want to stay together).

Let’s make every school better and every kid’s life better. Let’s not use them as props against each other.

As a poor family. I sorry you don’t want our kids. Actually some of us aren’t that poor, we make different life choices. The best solution would be to open up another hs lower dcc.

Want to give you a big hug. Your kids are wanted. All kids are wanted. To be fair, from what I have read, I think everyone here welcomes diversity of income, culture and race. The problem is that no one of any income level wants to be bused away from their neighborhoods and rightfully so. Every school needs to be stronger and some underperforming schools need more money, support and staff. Whatever it takes, they should get it.

We are wanted as long as we are not in your schools or competition for your kids. No one wants their kids bussed but maybe this will give those kids opportunities they don’t have to get ahead. Our kids don’t have the same opportunities.

Unfortunately it’s a zero sum game and we don’t get do overs with our kids’ education. I’d support funding more opportunities for your kids through modestly higher property taxes but not at the expense of my own kids’ opportunities or busing them across town. Everyone wants the best opportunities for their children (which is why most of us moved to the best place we could afford) and are looking to preserve that as much as possible in an increasingly uncertain world.

Wow we are all on the same team PP. it’s not a zero sum game.

Are we? There's only one (or few) valedictorians and there's an implicit quota in how many kids from each school matriculate to a particular university. We're not in this together and that's been apparent since I set foot in this county or on DCUM and seen others asking questions about the "preferred preschool to get into the Ivy League" or "my DD has the following stats but they don't have a hook and therefore, didn't get into [insert highly selective university]", especially as our kids get closer and closer to high school. We're more like participants running the gauntlet in The Hunger Games where "may the odds ever be in your favor". This is the meritocracy that we find ourselves in and the system that each of us has to face (or ignore). So forgive me if I don't want my kids being bussed across town to a different school and not the neighborhood school I've already paid a high cost entry fee to get into.

You did not pay a "fee" to "get into" your neighborhood. You purchased an asset, which you can sell or rent out if you want.

I purchased an asset at a several hundred thousand dollar premium to comparable assets because of its access to a desirable public school cluster.

Hard eye roll. You never signed a contract with MCPS to guarantee you that school. That’s a you problem.

You don’t need to be unkind. Even buyers without school age children can and should take school assignments into consideration because it directly impacts home value. While boundaries can and do change, it’s not an unreasonable position to feel you’re not getting what you felt you planned for or a reasonably comparable alternative. MCPS should not be in the position of making numerous families feel bait-and-switched.

Greetings from 2025. MCPS has several overcrowded high schools and has therefore worked to construct two new high schools to reduce or hopefully eliminate overcrowding. In order for that to happen, many students will need to be reassigned to different schools. There is simply no way around that.

Obviously some people will need to shift. But certain proposed options on the table create big changes that no one could have reasonably expected or anticipated. I’m not even personally in this position but it’s obviously upsetting for those who are and I don’t like all the anonymous victim blaming.

There are no victims right now. Nobody has been impacted by these decisions. Some may be worried that their home values are impacted by the simple consideration of them, but you have to understand how entitled and whiny that sounds. MCPS needs to manage its facilities effectively and efficiently. Having schools that are over capacity and others that are under capacity is not efficient. Concentrating poverty in certain schools undermines the kids' education, kids who by and large want to learn, despite some of the truly disgusting stereotypes articulated just in the last few pages of this thread.

I absolutely agree that long bus rides can be disruptive to families of all backgrounds and should be avoided. But this notion that MCPS should be held responsible for your property values is truly absurd and entitled. Learn a little something about how you have personally benefited from the history of oppression perpetrated by the government. Your home value would not be what it is today with is it redlining and racist exclusionary zoning. Jfc.

So let me make sure I understand this correctly... After calling families whiny and entitled and giving a short history lesson on how those families benefited from racist exclusionary zoning policies to get over their concerns... You want those same families to be open minded and embrace boundary changes that appear to have no meaningful benefit? Good luck with that.

Maybe try a different approach instead of being dismissive and condescending towards people that disagree while simultaneously looking for their support. Some of the people you are labeling as whiny and entitled that have unfairly benefited from exclusionary housing policies are the elected officials responsible for making the final decision on the boundary change.

There is no possibility of getting support from people who are so entitled that they think the government should not even DISCUSS options for improving MCPS's ability to effectively educate our kids, for fear of even temporarily impacting their property values. Gmafb. Some people are trash. They can stop being trash if they want but these folks sound way too far gone in their self-centeredness.

This is why progressives lose.

I'm not that progressive actually. But should Democrats appease people who tried to overturn the 2020 election? No, those people should be in prison.

People who can't handle a discussion about boundaries and argue that even just the discussion should not happen, should be laughed out of the room. It really is that extreme.

No one is actually telling you or anyone to stop talking. That’s a straw man you’ve invented. Based on your straw man you are calling people “trash” and likening them to the J6 traitors. You’re the one that is extreme.

I think that shutting down a discussion about public schools because it might harm your property values is very extreme. Sounds like you disagree.

I am very doubtful that making changes to school boundaries will have any meaningful change on the achievement gap or overcrowding. So its a really tough sell to ask households to support these changes and just have faith in MCPS.

You don't think having 2 new high schools will change overcrowding? Wow.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

But they do and are discussing it?

They are discussing how they are victims of this process. How dare there be a process!

Straw man.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

But they do and are discussing it?

They are discussing how they are victims of this process. How dare there be a process!

Straw man.

Huh? There was literally a person up thread who complained about victim blaming! Victims of what? A discussion?

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I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they were talking about having to send their kids across the county, with repercussions for kids after school activities, traffic, drive times, time spent with family, and yes….property values.

You are intent on policing the language here while accusing others of shutting down dialogue.

There are no victims. No boundaries have been redrawn. Complaining about victim blaming is preposterous.

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Anonymous wrote:Keep it clean folks. Be kind. There’s a long time between now and when this goes into effect - 3 years. Plenary of time to sort things out.

Predatory capitalism is not something that can be "sorted out". It is immoral. It needs to be outright rejected. It is fundamentally undemocratic to say we cannot discuss how to draw boundaries for public schools because you are worried about your property values.

Predatory capitalism? I mean this isn’t exactly Wall Street of the 1980s. Lot of extremist talk here.

You are right, I am describing people who don't want to discuss school boundaries as extremist. They want to make sure they keep all the spoils of our racist system including making sure a brand new school does not have too many low income kids..That is predatory.

But they do and are discussing it?

Nah, I think many of us are fine with some modest changes to the boundaries that include some low income kids moving to a brand new school as well as within the other clusters. Many of us are not interested in multiple islands or pockets all over the county rearranged and recombined to fulfill a diversity score goal. That's not even considering the attending costs of congestion, increased busing, and lack of cohesion between neighborhoods that are not in any way part of the same community. Some ideological folks are more interested in maximizing diversity and FARMs evenly across schools even if it's to the detriment of the kids attending, and putting aside the resentment it engenders among the affluent schools accepting them. And let's be clear, doing so won't necessarily raise the scores of kids that are failing. In fact, it could lead to higher absenteeism rates due to length of the bus rides. Finally, it's not the school board's job to engage in social engineering or ensure equality of outcomes because that's just not possible.