Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

The reason he asked her “what did you do” on finding her outside, and not “who did this?” or the equivalent is because he knew she was off. It’s not a question that supports the assessment that everything seemed normal on the day of.

Untrue. Did you read the timeline. Everything was normal. He said "what did you do" because she had clearly jumped out a window when she was supposed to be watching them. That doesn't mean anything was abnormal prior to his leaving..

How did he know she jumped out the window?

He went in the house first, found the broken window upstairs while trying to find everyone, saw her on the ground from there.

Particularly with the window broken, the natural assumption would be that she had been pushed. People jumping out of windows don’t normally jump through them.

Right. If I found my husband like that I would not say what did you do? This confirms everything wasn’t perfectly normal like folks are trying to say. Was she functioning? Clearly. Again, not necessarily indicative this wasn’t a serious postpartum issue to anyone trained in this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The baby was eight months old. She was in the hospital when exactly?

Late December. Around a month before the murders, when the baby was 6-7 months old.

No doctor (other than the one her attorney found after the crimes were committed) ever diagnosed her with psychosis and her husband stated he never heard the word used regarding his wife. He stated was was having a good day. Her mother, who had visited on a few days prior, texted her that it was nice to see her "looking so good."

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Those arguing that she was not mentally ill but instead is a stone cold Casey Anthony type have a huge mountain of circumstantial evidence to get over to get a jury there.

Can we recall a stone cold Casey Anthony type who—totally coincidentally and in no way related to her actions in the subsequent crimes—had also been in a 5-day IOP and on 15 different psychiatric meds since September but been entirely healed, cured, with no remaining trace of the level of thought derangement that leads to that level of those medications and somewhat frantic toggling among options to identify what worked, only 4 months before?

No, we cannot.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

The reason he asked her “what did you do” on finding her outside, and not “who did this?” or the equivalent is because he knew she was off. It’s not a question that supports the assessment that everything seemed normal on the day of.

Untrue. Did you read the timeline. Everything was normal. He said "what did you do" because she had clearly jumped out a window when she was supposed to be watching them. That doesn't mean anything was abnormal prior to his leaving..

How did he know she jumped out the window?

He went in the house first, found the broken window upstairs while trying to find everyone, saw her on the ground from there.

Particularly with the window broken, the natural assumption would be that she had been pushed. People jumping out of windows don’t normally jump through them.

Right. If I found my husband like that I would not say what did you do? This confirms everything wasn’t perfectly normal like folks are trying to say. Was she functioning? Clearly. Again, not necessarily indicative this wasn’t a serious postpartum issue to anyone trained in this.

She had been previously suicidal. He knew that. That's why he asked. He didn't previously suspect her of child murder or douubt he would have gone for takeout, or left her alone with them while he worked all day.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

The reason he asked her “what did you do” on finding her outside, and not “who did this?” or the equivalent is because he knew she was off. It’s not a question that supports the assessment that everything seemed normal on the day of.

Untrue. Did you read the timeline. Everything was normal. He said "what did you do" because she had clearly jumped out a window when she was supposed to be watching them. That doesn't mean anything was abnormal prior to his leaving..

How did he know she jumped out the window?

He went in the house first, found the broken window upstairs while trying to find everyone, saw her on the ground from there.

Particularly with the window broken, the natural assumption would be that she had been pushed. People jumping out of windows don’t normally jump through them.

Right. If I found my husband like that I would not say what did you do? This confirms everything wasn’t perfectly normal like folks are trying to say. Was she functioning? Clearly. Again, not necessarily indicative this wasn’t a serious postpartum issue to anyone trained in this.

He knew at that point the kids were missing. He had already been inside the house and seen no one. (They were killed in the basement.)

You wouldn't be suspicious if your husband jumped out a window and your kids were missing?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Those arguing that she was not mentally ill but instead is a stone cold Casey Anthony type have a huge mountain of circumstantial evidence to get over to get a jury there.

Can we recall a stone cold Casey Anthony type who—totally coincidentally and in no way related to her actions in the subsequent crimes—had also been in a 5-day IOP and on 15 different psychiatric meds since September but been entirely healed, cured, with no remaining trace of the level of thought derangement that leads to that level of those medications and somewhat frantic toggling among options to identify what worked, only 4 months before?

No, we cannot.

I can't even follow your run-on-sentence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those arguing that she was not mentally ill but instead is a stone cold Casey Anthony type have a huge mountain of circumstantial evidence to get over to get a jury there.

Can we recall a stone cold Casey Anthony type who—totally coincidentally and in no way related to her actions in the subsequent crimes—had also been in a 5-day IOP and on 15 different psychiatric meds since September but been entirely healed, cured, with no remaining trace of the level of thought derangement that leads to that level of those medications and somewhat frantic toggling among options to identify what worked, only 4 months before?

No, we cannot.

I can't even follow your run-on-sentence.

It’s long, but not a run-on. No one is as crazy she was in month 1 and fully sane, but with a new bent for extreme evildoing, in Month 4. That dog just don’t hunt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

So carefully planned.

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Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

Is there evidence that she had PPD/PPP with prior pregnancies? Maybe she handled the first two fine and had no reason to think the third would be a problem.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Those arguing that she was not mentally ill but instead is a stone cold Casey Anthony type have a huge mountain of circumstantial evidence to get over to get a jury there.

Can we recall a stone cold Casey Anthony type who—totally coincidentally and in no way related to her actions in the subsequent crimes—had also been in a 5-day IOP and on 15 different psychiatric meds since September but been entirely healed, cured, with no remaining trace of the level of thought derangement that leads to that level of those medications and somewhat frantic toggling among options to identify what worked, only 4 months before?

No, we cannot.

I can't even follow your run-on-sentence.

It’s long, but not a run-on. No one is as crazy she was in month 1 and fully sane, but with a new bent for extreme evildoing, in Month 4. That dog just don’t hunt.

She can have mental illness and still be capable of committing murder. Not guilty by reason of insanity is a very specific and high bar and it does not apply to anyone with a mental illness. When she came to in the hospital, she didn't ask what happened. She knew - and all she wanted to know was if she needed a lawyer. Doesn't sound like a mother who is shocked that her kids are dead and she is the one who did it.

[Anonymous]

No doctor (other than the one her attorney found after the crimes were committed) ever diagnosed her with psychosis and her husband stated he never heard the word used regarding his wife. He stated was was having a good day. Her mother, who had visited on a few days prior, texted her that it was nice to see her "looking so good."

She may not have been diagnosed with psychosis but she’d been prescribed three different anti-depressants, a mood stabilizer, and an antipsychotic. Something was clearly amiss.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

The reason he asked her “what did you do” on finding her outside, and not “who did this?” or the equivalent is because he knew she was off. It’s not a question that supports the assessment that everything seemed normal on the day of.

Untrue. Did you read the timeline. Everything was normal. He said "what did you do" because she had clearly jumped out a window when she was supposed to be watching them. That doesn't mean anything was abnormal prior to his leaving..

How did he know she jumped out the window?

He went in the house first, found the broken window upstairs while trying to find everyone, saw her on the ground from there.

Particularly with the window broken, the natural assumption would be that she had been pushed. People jumping out of windows don’t normally jump through them.

Right. If I found my husband like that I would not say what did you do? This confirms everything wasn’t perfectly normal like folks are trying to say. Was she functioning? Clearly. Again, not necessarily indicative this wasn’t a serious postpartum issue to anyone trained in this.

He knew at that point the kids were missing. He had already been inside the house and seen no one. (They were killed in the basement.)

You wouldn't be suspicious if your husband jumped out a window and your kids were missing?

On finding an average spouse bloody and paralyzed outside a broken (not open—broken) window my assumption would
be that there had been homicidal violence, not a murder-suicide. She was not an average spouse because she had this very recent history of psychiatric illness. Enough to justify all of that medication, whatever they were calling it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Clancy has my sympathy. She is a Labor & Delivery RN now midwife in 5 days a week outpatient treatment for postpartum depression—she was trying mightily to help herself as was her husband. Sounds like crossover to postpartum psychosis—she will be heartbroken at what she did under SEVERE mental illness. My sympathies to her children deceased, her infant, her husband and yes to her. A nightmare.

I have sympathy and she tried to off herself as well. I think Yates killed her kids and didn’t do anything to herself. But..I believe this post partum psychosis is real. She is going to have to live with this forever. The sad thing is I think a lot of this is tied to lack of sleep and so many people judge if a new mom wants help. I remember I got a lot of judgement for having a night nanny. Luckily I have a great husband who basically told me to put myself first and I did. Without sleep and without an opportunity to exercise or meet with a friend then a severe depression and can develop. It seems like her husband tried and maybe things went sideways with all the meds. Seraqual is a really powerful drug and cannot believe she was on that with others. Maybe the best thing in retrospect would have been inpatient treatment. Anyway new parents should really prioritize sleep and well being. The best thing you can do for a new mom is offer to watch the baby’s so they can nap or offer to take their other kids (if they have them) out so less chaos in the house.

And maybe don’t have three kids in less than five years. Even though posters will jump on here to claim that their mom had 8 kids and didn’t kill any of them! Still, 3 kids under five in this day and age is bananas. And she wasn’t even old or facing a biological clock. What is the rush? The third clearly out her over the edge because she was seemingly ok with the first two.

Is there evidence that she had PPD/PPP with prior pregnancies? Maybe she handled the first two fine and had no reason to think the third would be a problem.

Even after the anxiety and depression with the third, she was already planning more children, per her diary. Also per her diary, she resented her older children for getting in the way of her being able to treat the new baby like an only child. She actually wrote these things!!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.necn.com/news/national-international/she-killed-the-kids-prosecutors-outline-chilling-timeline-in-duxbury-tragedy/2924108/

Here is the detailed timeline of the day of the murders. It is bone chilling.

The reason he asked her “what did you do” on finding her outside, and not “who did this?” or the equivalent is because he knew she was off. It’s not a question that supports the assessment that everything seemed normal on the day of.

Untrue. Did you read the timeline. Everything was normal. He said "what did you do" because she had clearly jumped out a window when she was supposed to be watching them. That doesn't mean anything was abnormal prior to his leaving..

How did he know she jumped out the window?

He went in the house first, found the broken window upstairs while trying to find everyone, saw her on the ground from there.

Particularly with the window broken, the natural assumption would be that she had been pushed. People jumping out of windows don’t normally jump through them.

Right. If I found my husband like that I would not say what did you do? This confirms everything wasn’t perfectly normal like folks are trying to say. Was she functioning? Clearly. Again, not necessarily indicative this wasn’t a serious postpartum issue to anyone trained in this.

He knew at that point the kids were missing. He had already been inside the house and seen no one. (They were killed in the basement.)

You wouldn't be suspicious if your husband jumped out a window and your kids were missing?

On finding an average spouse bloody and paralyzed outside a broken (not open—broken) window my assumption would
be that there had been homicidal violence, not a murder-suicide. She was not an average spouse because she had this very recent history of psychiatric illness. Enough to justify all of that medication, whatever they were calling it.

Nobody is calling this woman an average spouse. She can have PPD and still be guilty of murder.

[Anonymous]

She had a diary?