ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

you want stats for something that hasn't yet happened? gtfoh. you want stats, go conduct some research for yourself when and if you kids' league switches. I think most reasonable non-delusional people understand the change will more or less even out.

Crazy person alert

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

you want stats for something that hasn't yet happened? gtfoh. you want stats, go conduct some research for yourself when and if you kids' league switches. I think most reasonable non-delusional people understand the change will more or less even out.

Crazy person alert

Yeah can’t really argue or debate with someone like that. They don’t understand that the switch negatively affected Q4 kids and now they are worried that the switch will affect their Q1 kid….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

you want stats for something that hasn't yet happened? gtfoh. you want stats, go conduct some research for yourself when and if you kids' league switches. I think most reasonable non-delusional people understand the change will more or less even out.

Crazy person alert

Yeah can’t really argue or debate with someone like that. They don’t understand that the switch negatively affected Q4 kids and now they are worried that the switch will affect their Q1 kid….

Perhaps their kid is older so they are probably correct that the RAE advantage will not matter as much. The advantage they got was baked in from the youngest ages groups. Either way they are a troll, there have been numerous studies posted on this thread highlighting the existence of RAE.

[Anonymous]

If you take a step back and look at the BY vs SY debate as someone would that doesn't know much about soccer.

BY = Seems more professional because this is how National Teams organize themselves.

SY = Seems less professional because it's American specific and aligned with college soccer and how rec teams generally organize.

I'm not saying that one is better or worse. I am pointing out how people that aren't intimately involved with soccer view things.

You can now go back to talking about RAE incessantly.

[Anonymous]

How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

Because people can’t help themselves. They want it to be and us vs them scenario I guess. It’s much easier to make assumptions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

Yes

[Anonymous]

My guess it was the dude who kept showing up saying your q4 kid just sucks and needs to train more?

My guess is there are q1 people with kids at the top of an age group who welcome SY and q4s from the age group above to enhance the talent on the team. Also guessing that q1 people who don’t start or are on the bubble who are against SY because their player will be bumped to ECRL by q4 players from the ecnl age group above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

Yes

Where are the published results?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

How does this relate to the PP's comment?

We are all BY parents today

Why would people who prefer BY be afraid of competing against older kids, when so many of them want their kids to play up?

Because they are really seeking bragging rights and recognition, not an extra challenge. If you adjust the age group to SY, they are playing with older kids but viewed as "with age." If they play with the same kids across a group divide, that comes with the higher status label of "playing up." Like many of the toxic elements of youth sports, it's all about status-seeking, mostly by the parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

Yes

Where are the published results?

The web.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How did people reach the conclusion parents of Q1 and Q2 ECNL kids are against SY?

Was there a survey done

Because people can’t help themselves. They want it to be and us vs them scenario I guess. It’s much easier to make assumptions.

Every time their is a suggested change, it is an us vs. them scenario.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you take a step back and look at the BY vs SY debate as someone would that doesn't know much about soccer.

BY = Seems more professional because this is how National Teams organize themselves.

SY = Seems less professional because it's American specific and aligned with college soccer and how rec teams generally organize.

I'm not saying that one is better or worse. I am pointing out how people that aren't intimately involved with soccer view things.

You can now go back to talking about RAE incessantly.

So, in a world where USSF (and every individual league) is stuck between FIFA alignments on one side and school team alignments on the other side, neither of which it can control, doesn't this view support their decision to allow leagues to decide on their own? Each league can decide whether they are closer to school teams or closer to national teams. They are destined to always be misaligned with one or the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

How does this relate to the PP's comment?

We are all BY parents today

Why would people who prefer BY be afraid of competing against older kids, when so many of them want their kids to play up?

Because they are really seeking bragging rights and recognition, not an extra challenge. If you adjust the age group to SY, they are playing with older kids but viewed as "with age." If they play with the same kids across a group divide, that comes with the higher status label of "playing up." Like many of the toxic elements of youth sports, it's all about status-seeking, mostly by the parents.

I love all these assumptions 100% predicated on a false fact that soccer skills, performance, competitiveness are all dictated by birth months

There are many strong q3 and q4 players out there and lots of weak q1 and q2

Also several kids playing up a year.

It all washes out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you take a step back and look at the BY vs SY debate as someone would that doesn't know much about soccer.

BY = Seems more professional because this is how National Teams organize themselves.

SY = Seems less professional because it's American specific and aligned with college soccer and how rec teams generally organize.

I'm not saying that one is better or worse. I am pointing out how people that aren't intimately involved with soccer view things.

You can now go back to talking about RAE incessantly.

So, in a world where USSF (and every individual league) is stuck between FIFA alignments on one side and school team alignments on the other side, neither of which it can control, doesn't this view support their decision to allow leagues to decide on their own? Each league can decide whether they are closer to school teams or closer to national teams. They are destined to always be misaligned with one or the other.

You mean school as in College?
Or HS that's irrelevant