ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

How so q3?

Because some Q3 kids are still a grade below a majority of their team in the BY system. Aug/Sept kids, depending on the school cutoff, would be trapped players too and those months (July, Aug., Sept.) fall into the Q3 category.

How are you born in July, August and be a grade behind kids born in your BY?

Your parents made a choice to start you in school late.

Some states have early cutoffs and some parents choose to start kids later with late summer birthdays.

You hold your kid back to have a age/size/maturity (illusion of) advantage over kids in their grade.

Then it's a trapped alleged disadvantage?
Shakespearean

I don't care what parents decide to do with their kids. Hold them back or don't. I can see the argument for doing it for late birthdays, and I can see the criticism from others who don't (although I still don't know why anyone would care what someone else does with their kids). I also don't think there is some disproportionate disadvantage to being a trapped player. It's probably not ideal in certain situations, but it can also be an advantage in others.

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

How so q3?

Because some Q3 kids are still a grade below a majority of their team in the BY system. Aug/Sept kids, depending on the school cutoff, would be trapped players too and those months (July, Aug., Sept.) fall into the Q3 category.

How are you born in July, August and be a grade behind kids born in your BY?

Your parents made a choice to start you in school late.

Some states have early cutoffs and some parents choose to start kids later with late summer birthdays.

At least 100 pages ago that was discussed. Also just because a state may start school earlier doesn't mean the age cutoff is earlier. Example would be Virginia. We start school in August but the VA state law is 5 years on or before September 30th.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why people refuse to believe being a trapped player is a problem. Spin it all you want, but the fact still remains that trapped players in 8th and 12th grade lose the ability to play with their team. It’s a problem that didn’t exit prior to changing the BY and it’s a problem that can easily be fixed by moving back to school year. If you don’t see it, then you’re blinded by your own perceived advantage your kid may have in the current BY system.

And just like Jan-April BY parents say “if you’re good, you’re good and it doesn’t matter when you’re born!” To that I saw - you’re right! So why do you care so much about changing back to SY if Sally and Johnny are already so good? Ohh, that’s right - it does make a difference.

ECNL leadership does not think this is a big issue.

Yes I agree, if they thought it was a big issue they would have addressed it years ago. It is seen more as an annoyance than a problem.

But I heard ECNL does talk with college coaches and they prefer school year showcases as it makes it easier for them. Not saying coaches can’t figure it out as that’s what they’ve been doing. But if the plan is to go back to SY I’m sure ECNL isn’t going to fight it.

I heard college coaches don't really care + player ability is all that matters.

But I was chatting with. D1 COACH so what do I know.

Have fun...

Define care? Are they losing sleep over SY or BY I highly doubt it. The US has plenty of talent on the women’s side for recruiting. But it would make their life easier to goto showcases and evaluate players and watch games based on their graduate class.

Again not saying they have a hard time now but it still makes it easier. My daughters ECNL coach who’s connected to many college coaches who he played college soccer with said they prefer SY to BY.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even belive poeple are advocating to contiue to disavatage 5/12 of players.

It's stupid and selfish.

All players should be on equal footing to compete for scholorships. Full stop.

Stop redshirting your kids -- that will help.

Who is red shirting kids for soccer? Even with SY/BY the cutoff dates don’t allow holdbacks? Your argument makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

How does this relate to the PP's comment?

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

That had nothing to do with what they said? But to answer your question yes if they switch to SY there will still be older and younger kids within the age group. Unless we switch to month to month teams it will always be that way. But even then people would want their kids born on the first of the month. lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't even belive poeple are advocating to contiue to disavatage 5/12 of players.

It's stupid and selfish.

All players should be on equal footing to compete for scholorships. Full stop.

Stop redshirting your kids -- that will help.

Who is red shirting kids for soccer? Even with SY/BY the cutoff dates don’t allow holdbacks? Your argument makes no sense.

redshirting meaning not starting your kids in kindergarten when they meet the criteria to start kindergarten.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

How does this relate to the PP's comment?

We are all BY parents today

Why would people who prefer BY be afraid of competing against older kids, when so many of them want their kids to play up?

[Anonymous]

Yes- BY to SY will still have an 11 month range, so someone will always be on the young end. But, there won't be any grade splits for any kids- making 8th, 11th, and 12th grade equal for ALL players. In BY, this is not the case.

It will drastically reshape for a few players, but, in overall numbers, probably not seismic change. To the few, either getting bumped up or down, it will feel like a big deal.

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

you want stats for something that hasn't yet happened? gtfoh. you want stats, go conduct some research for yourself when and if you kids' league switches. I think most reasonable non-delusional people understand the change will more or less even out.

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Anonymous wrote:No one said trapped players are doomed. The statement was made that BY is systematically dysfunctional for q4 and some q3 players during certain periods of their soccer career.

Don’t waste time arguing with the BY parents who are so blinded by the thought of having to compete with older kids. SY is coming they get one more year and then the party is over for most of those kids.

Isn't someone always older and someone always younger?
Won't SY have a 11 month difference in ages just like BY?

Whether it is BY or SY, kids are always competing with everyone in the age group - whenever they are born. That is the nature of competitive sports and anyone who thinks that all current Q1 kids are getting by solely by being Q1 is fooling themselves into thinking SY will solve their current Q3/Q4's problems (being too small, or trapped, or dropping out, or whatever the issues are). They'll just be competing with the kids who had been playing in the group under for roster spots, which may be great, or not so great, or no change at all, depending on how good your Q3/Q4 kid is relative to the other people jockeying for spots on the team. Switching to SY from BY won't magically disadvantage all current Q1 not give an advantage to all current Q3/Q4 players who would then be playing with their grade for the most part.

You're also fooling yourself if you think all current Q1 kids and parents are shaking in their drawers. We are not worried about anyone, as cream will always rise to the top and if you're not it, you are moved down where you belong. It will all even out for the most part and everyone will be fine regardless of what the cutoff is.

Can you cite any research or statistics to back up your claims?

you want stats for something that hasn't yet happened? gtfoh. you want stats, go conduct some research for yourself when and if you kids' league switches. I think most reasonable non-delusional people understand the change will more or less even out.

There was already a switch from SY to BY. Can you use that change to try to prove your argument of virtually no impact on kids based on their birth quarter?