ECNL moving to school year not calendar

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing “rankings” from a random website? No wonder this forum has gone on for 520 pages.

Has anyone heard anything specific from any league as to what they’re going to do for 26? The three recommendations by US soccer seem to be just that, recommendations. Even though I believe all the majors will pick the same one. Anything of substance from higher ups at ECNL, GA, MLSN, etc.? Or just something someone cousin who is a director believes?

Until we get official announcements from governing bodies it’s all just rumors.

Most people thought the mandate would change back to SY as that’s what the rumor mill was pushing but I always heard MLS and their influence on youth soccer was strongly against it. Along with many club directors not wanting to deal with the headache. This is how we ended up at you can do what you want.

The same person who told me about all this months ago and basically called his shot about this is saying the big 3 USYS, US Club, AYSO will goto school year. Sounds like some states will have different cutoffs because when they start school.

Also non state and national level tournaments and showcases will have different rules to allow cross state play to continue.

MLSN and GA partnered together to have a pathway for BY they way add in younger aged pre level leagues as well. U11/12.

US club will go SY and will probably choose 9/1 cutoffs with waiver system for August kids if they are in the same grade.

He isn’t sure how much of this will happen he said there are many things being discussed at this point and they have 60 days to put a plan together and agree on how it should be rolled out.

What about ODP (USYS) and id2 (USCS)?

Will they follow SY or BY?

Good question -- ODP currently experimenting with trying to put together 2 teams at each age group with 6 month windows. That would make SY/BY not as significant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing “rankings” from a random website? No wonder this forum has gone on for 520 pages.

Has anyone heard anything specific from any league as to what they’re going to do for 26? The three recommendations by US soccer seem to be just that, recommendations. Even though I believe all the majors will pick the same one. Anything of substance from higher ups at ECNL, GA, MLSN, etc.? Or just something someone cousin who is a director believes?

Until we get official announcements from governing bodies it’s all just rumors.

Most people thought the mandate would change back to SY as that’s what the rumor mill was pushing but I always heard MLS and their influence on youth soccer was strongly against it. Along with many club directors not wanting to deal with the headache. This is how we ended up at you can do what you want.

The same person who told me about all this months ago and basically called his shot about this is saying the big 3 USYS, US Club, AYSO will goto school year. Sounds like some states will have different cutoffs because when they start school.

Also non state and national level tournaments and showcases will have different rules to allow cross state play to continue.

MLSN and GA partnered together to have a pathway for BY they way add in younger aged pre level leagues as well. U11/12.

US club will go SY and will probably choose 9/1 cutoffs with waiver system for August kids if they are in the same grade.

He isn’t sure how much of this will happen he said there are many things being discussed at this point and they have 60 days to put a plan together and agree on how it should be rolled out.

What about ODP (USYS) and id2 (USCS)?

Will they follow SY or BY?

Anything that has to do with national teams will be based off BY.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For girls

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women

GA doesn’t compare favorably to ECNL

Interesting. Not that it matters but there are more ECNL boys in the top 25 of the various ages than GA in the top 25 girls.

Because those websites are ran by ECNL friendly people. Plenty of folks and forums that can back me up.

Also, why don’t you pull up the college placements and National team #s on the boys side, let’s see how ECNL compares to mls next then

So, this will be a small sample size. Four top 10 NCAA D1 teams. Note: MLS Academy are combined with MLS Next (one could argue they are not quite the same).

#1 Vermont: 28 players
Foreign = 12
MLS Next/Academy = 7
ECNL = 4
Other or Unknown = 5

#3 Ohio St: 27 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 7
Other or Unknown = 2

#5 Pitt: 29 players
Foreign = 14
MLS Next/Academy = 11
ECNL = 3
Other or Unknown = 1

#7 SMU: 34 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 13
Other or Unknown = 3

Total: 118 players
Foreign = 44
MLS Next/Academy = 36
ECNL = 27
Other or Unknown = 11

ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150

Based on this small sample size, MLSNext is slightly superior to ECNL, but not by a huge margin.

Aren’t there many more ECNL teams/players than MLSN? Bigger numerator over a smaller denominator would suggest MLSN is far ahead.

They were way ahead of you.

"ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150"

Well that would seem to turn an assumed truth on these boards on its head.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing “rankings” from a random website? No wonder this forum has gone on for 520 pages.

Has anyone heard anything specific from any league as to what they’re going to do for 26? The three recommendations by US soccer seem to be just that, recommendations. Even though I believe all the majors will pick the same one. Anything of substance from higher ups at ECNL, GA, MLSN, etc.? Or just something someone cousin who is a director believes?

Until we get official announcements from governing bodies it’s all just rumors.

Most people thought the mandate would change back to SY as that’s what the rumor mill was pushing but I always heard MLS and their influence on youth soccer was strongly against it. Along with many club directors not wanting to deal with the headache. This is how we ended up at you can do what you want.

The same person who told me about all this months ago and basically called his shot about this is saying the big 3 USYS, US Club, AYSO will goto school year. Sounds like some states will have different cutoffs because when they start school.

Also non state and national level tournaments and showcases will have different rules to allow cross state play to continue.

MLSN and GA partnered together to have a pathway for BY they way add in younger aged pre level leagues as well. U11/12.

US club will go SY and will probably choose 9/1 cutoffs with waiver system for August kids if they are in the same grade.

He isn’t sure how much of this will happen he said there are many things being discussed at this point and they have 60 days to put a plan together and agree on how it should be rolled out.

What about ODP (USYS) and id2 (USCS)?

Will they follow SY or BY?

Good question -- ODP currently experimenting with trying to put together 2 teams at each age group with 6 month windows. That would make SY/BY not as significant.

ODP is not experimenting with this. They have done so at the younger ages from regionals and on for at least the last five years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For girls

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women

GA doesn’t compare favorably to ECNL

Interesting. Not that it matters but there are more ECNL boys in the top 25 of the various ages than GA in the top 25 girls.

Because those websites are ran by ECNL friendly people. Plenty of folks and forums that can back me up.

Also, why don’t you pull up the college placements and National team #s on the boys side, let’s see how ECNL compares to mls next then

So, this will be a small sample size. Four top 10 NCAA D1 teams. Note: MLS Academy are combined with MLS Next (one could argue they are not quite the same).

#1 Vermont: 28 players
Foreign = 12
MLS Next/Academy = 7
ECNL = 4
Other or Unknown = 5

#3 Ohio St: 27 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 7
Other or Unknown = 2

#5 Pitt: 29 players
Foreign = 14
MLS Next/Academy = 11
ECNL = 3
Other or Unknown = 1

#7 SMU: 34 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 13
Other or Unknown = 3

Total: 118 players
Foreign = 44
MLS Next/Academy = 36
ECNL = 27
Other or Unknown = 11

ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150

Based on this small sample size, MLSNext is slightly superior to ECNL, but not by a huge margin.

Aren’t there many more ECNL teams/players than MLSN? Bigger numerator over a smaller denominator would suggest MLSN is far ahead.

No. 150 > 147. There are more MLS Next. But only marginally.

[Anonymous]

ecnl boys are just starting to get their act together. first couple of years seems like throwing darts at a board. now things are getting more organized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are we really discussing “rankings” from a random website? No wonder this forum has gone on for 520 pages.

Has anyone heard anything specific from any league as to what they’re going to do for 26? The three recommendations by US soccer seem to be just that, recommendations. Even though I believe all the majors will pick the same one. Anything of substance from higher ups at ECNL, GA, MLSN, etc.? Or just something someone cousin who is a director believes?

Until we get official announcements from governing bodies it’s all just rumors.

Most people thought the mandate would change back to SY as that’s what the rumor mill was pushing but I always heard MLS and their influence on youth soccer was strongly against it. Along with many club directors not wanting to deal with the headache. This is how we ended up at you can do what you want.

The same person who told me about all this months ago and basically called his shot about this is saying the big 3 USYS, US Club, AYSO will goto school year. Sounds like some states will have different cutoffs because when they start school.

Also non state and national level tournaments and showcases will have different rules to allow cross state play to continue.

MLSN and GA partnered together to have a pathway for BY they way add in younger aged pre level leagues as well. U11/12.

US club will go SY and will probably choose 9/1 cutoffs with waiver system for August kids if they are in the same grade.

He isn’t sure how much of this will happen he said there are many things being discussed at this point and they have 60 days to put a plan together and agree on how it should be rolled out.

What about ODP (USYS) and id2 (USCS)?

Will they follow SY or BY?

Good question -- ODP currently experimenting with trying to put together 2 teams at each age group with 6 month windows. That would make SY/BY not as significant.

ODP is not experimenting with this. They have done so at the younger ages from regionals and on for at least the last five years.

In our state, it's pretty new and was termed "experimental".

[Anonymous]

Is ODP even still relevant?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is ODP even still relevant?

Yes, especially at younger ages, as a soccer resume builder/practice getting selected by coaches/scouts, etc. For the players, it's also a chance to practice/play with other kids who tend to be at the higher levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For girls

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women

GA doesn’t compare favorably to ECNL

Interesting. Not that it matters but there are more ECNL boys in the top 25 of the various ages than GA in the top 25 girls.

Because those websites are ran by ECNL friendly people. Plenty of folks and forums that can back me up.

Also, why don’t you pull up the college placements and National team #s on the boys side, let’s see how ECNL compares to mls next then

So, this will be a small sample size. Four top 10 NCAA D1 teams. Note: MLS Academy are combined with MLS Next (one could argue they are not quite the same).

#1 Vermont: 28 players
Foreign = 12
MLS Next/Academy = 7
ECNL = 4
Other or Unknown = 5

#3 Ohio St: 27 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 7
Other or Unknown = 2

#5 Pitt: 29 players
Foreign = 14
MLS Next/Academy = 11
ECNL = 3
Other or Unknown = 1

#7 SMU: 34 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 13
Other or Unknown = 3

Total: 118 players
Foreign = 44
MLS Next/Academy = 36
ECNL = 27
Other or Unknown = 11

ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150

Based on this small sample size, MLSNext is slightly superior to ECNL, but not by a huge margin.

Aren’t there many more ECNL teams/players than MLSN? Bigger numerator over a smaller denominator would suggest MLSN is far ahead.

They were way ahead of you.

"ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150"

Well that would seem to turn an assumed truth on these boards on its head.

Yup. #receipts

Data don’t lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For girls

https://www.topdrawersoccer.com/club-soccer/club-soccer-team-rankings/women

GA doesn’t compare favorably to ECNL

Interesting. Not that it matters but there are more ECNL boys in the top 25 of the various ages than GA in the top 25 girls.

Because those websites are ran by ECNL friendly people. Plenty of folks and forums that can back me up.

Also, why don’t you pull up the college placements and National team #s on the boys side, let’s see how ECNL compares to mls next then

So, this will be a small sample size. Four top 10 NCAA D1 teams. Note: MLS Academy are combined with MLS Next (one could argue they are not quite the same).

#1 Vermont: 28 players
Foreign = 12
MLS Next/Academy = 7
ECNL = 4
Other or Unknown = 5

#3 Ohio St: 27 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 7
Other or Unknown = 2

#5 Pitt: 29 players
Foreign = 14
MLS Next/Academy = 11
ECNL = 3
Other or Unknown = 1

#7 SMU: 34 players
Foreign = 9
MLS Next/Academy = 9
ECNL = 13
Other or Unknown = 3

Total: 118 players
Foreign = 44
MLS Next/Academy = 36
ECNL = 27
Other or Unknown = 11

ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150

Based on this small sample size, MLSNext is slightly superior to ECNL, but not by a huge margin.

Aren’t there many more ECNL teams/players than MLSN? Bigger numerator over a smaller denominator would suggest MLSN is far ahead.

They were way ahead of you.

"ECNL Boys Clubs = 147
MLS Next/Academy teams = 150"

Well that would seem to turn an assumed truth on these boards on its head.

Yup. #receipts

Data don’t lie.

If the data is accurate ... in journalism, even before the Internet, they used to teach ... "Even if your mama says she loves you, check it out!"

[Anonymous]

the boys leagues, ECNL & MLSNext are getting more closer and more even. the girls leagues are getting more wider. ECNL/RL is moving further and further ahead and GA is rapidly dropping soon to be on the level of NPL/DPL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is ODP even still relevant?

no

[Anonymous]

That’s what I thought

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:the boys leagues, ECNL & MLSNext are getting more closer and more even. the girls leagues are getting more wider. ECNL/RL is moving further and further ahead and GA is rapidly dropping soon to be on the level of NPL/DPL.

Hahaha not true