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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

GFR isn't a business. It's a non profit. I meant that the GFR boss lady might be upset about it bc she might not want to lose some good players but at the end of the day she should be happy that they are developing players at GFR who can play at the ECNL level. This is why she wants a pathway but until they have one, this is the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

Does it though? When GFR had NVA as a pathway it did not benefit GFR one bit.

Maybe, but the short term and poor GFR-side management of that arrangement did not allow for the benefits to accrue.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

Does it though? When GFR had NVA as a pathway it did not benefit GFR one bit.

Maybe, but the short term and poor GFR-side management of that arrangement did not allow for the benefits to accrue.

So, are Herndon and Vienna benefiting from their alliance with FVU?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

The difference with those two clubs is their process is transparent and open to everyone to try. If your DC is so much more amazing then the rest then they should be okay having the process be more accessible to others. But perhaps your DC is not as good as you think and back door deals work best for you.

Please, they are not open and transparent. Those teams are determined months/years before via players coming to practices and targeted guest play.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

The difference with those two clubs is their process is transparent and open to everyone to try. If your DC is so much more amazing then the rest then they should be okay having the process be more accessible to others. But perhaps your DC is not as good as you think and back door deals work best for you.

BSC isn't an open process for tryouts? news to me! just b/c ML is giving players a more direct path there by having contacts since he also coaches there is so trivial. IF YOUR KID IS A GOOD ENOUGH PLAYER THEY WILL MAKE AN ECNL TEAM. It is that simple, people.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

The difference with those two clubs is their process is transparent and open to everyone to try. If your DC is so much more amazing then the rest then they should be okay having the process be more accessible to others. But perhaps your DC is not as good as you think and back door deals work best for you.

BSC isn't an open process for tryouts? news to me! just b/c ML is giving players a more direct path there by having contacts since he also coaches there is so trivial. IF YOUR KID IS A GOOD ENOUGH PLAYER THEY WILL MAKE AN ECNL TEAM. It is that simple, people.

To summarize this entire thread - if your kid (not you) wants to shoot for something greater than ECNL-RL, go try out for ECNL or MLSN. If you think the GFR ED doesn't know about the COI with BSC, you are mistaken.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

But this is not an alliance. It is a group of coaches picking a "select few" for opportunities at another club they work for. There is nothing open or put out by GFR about this. Conflict of Interest!

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

But this is not an alliance. It is a group of coaches picking a "select few" for opportunities at another club they work for. There is nothing open or put out by GFR about this. Conflict of Interest!

Maybe this is the alliance though and it can't be announced officially yet. Will that actually make it any different?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

But this is not an alliance. It is a group of coaches picking a "select few" for opportunities at another club they work for. There is nothing open or put out by GFR about this. Conflict of Interest!

Maybe this is the alliance though and it can't be announced officially yet. Will that actually make it any different?

When its shady with only a select group of coaches who work for both clubs, yes it does make a difference.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, you 2014 parents really thought your team would stay together for years and years and no one would ever leave for other opportunities? Talk about ABSURD. This is just not something that happens. Very few teams endure and keep intact. Especially with the age group change happening, you're nuts if you think this team was going to ALL stay at GFR and no one would seek other opportunities.

Gotta run get on my plane with my kid to Dallas now. lol

LOL..i love the ending but I think the concern is the secret back door special opportunities that are being offered to a "select few" while the year is going on at another club that the same coach works for. Its a clear conflict of interest. That coach doesn't even coach the 2014s at Bethesda so it is clear they are funneling talent elsewhere. No team stays together forever, but they way some of the GFR coaches are doing it is alarming and definitely a conflict of interest. If you were running a business (which GFR clearly is) and and your supervisor found out that you were sending your clients to a rival competitor, you would be terminated immediately. They are paid by GFR to train and develop these kids, not send them and encourage them to go elsewhere to another club THEY WORK FOR AND GET PAID BY. At the end of the year, if the customer wants to try a different competitor then of course that is fine. If the parent wants to look at other opportunities prior to the end of the year, that is fine. But an employee of a business encouraging and setting up opportunities to land clients and customers for another competitor is unethical and violates the conflict of interest acknowledgment that each coach signs at GFR.

Actually, this is exactly what I'd want my kids coach to be doing. I might not be happy about it if I was the GFR boss lady but if my GFR coach was telling me my kid should be training with an ECNL team because they are that level of player and GFR doesn't have the competition they need to continue to develop, I'd be thrilled. And if that coach could then point me in the direction because of his connections with that ECNL club? EVEN BETTER! Again, BSC is not GFR's competitor.

If you actually think 2 soccer clubs are not competitors, then you need to look up what a competitor is. The coach is actively involved in the process and only sends a "select few" and not open about it. You admitted that if you were the GFR boss lady that you might not be happy about it. If its ethical and ok, why would you be unhappy at all? Because its not ok and violates all ethical norms in business. You attitude just shows, you are ok with anything that doesn't effect or benefits you. There will be a time when it actually does and then you will be the one unhappy about it. It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

If there ends up being an alliance, which seems like where this is probably headed, you do understand this is how alliances work, right? Do you think FVU is a competitor to VYS? Do you think VDA is a competitor to PWSI? I'm sure GFR doesn't like to lose good players from RL teams but it is a fact of life. If there is an alliance at least it keeps those players in the GFR orbit and usable.

Does it though? When GFR had NVA as a pathway it did not benefit GFR one bit.

Maybe, but the short term and poor GFR-side management of that arrangement did not allow for the benefits to accrue.

So, are Herndon and Vienna benefiting from their alliance with FVU?

Vienna is for sure. Let's see if you can figure out why.

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From the outside, while this coach may have a COI in terms of coaching at both clubs (and why did GFR agree to that in the first place??), the first job of a youth coach is to develop players, not to keep a team together. Therefore if he thinks these kids can compete at the next level, he should tell them so. If he knows a club/ coach that he thinks would be a good fit, all the better.
Again, why GFR has a person who also coaches at BSC is beyond me to figure out, but I don't think encouraging a player to try the next level if he thinks they are ready is inherently terrible.

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Anonymous wrote:From the outside, while this coach may have a COI in terms of coaching at both clubs (and why did GFR agree to that in the first place??), the first job of a youth coach is to develop players, not to keep a team together. Therefore if he thinks these kids can compete at the next level, he should tell them so. If he knows a club/ coach that he thinks would be a good fit, all the better.
Again, why GFR has a person who also coaches at BSC is beyond me to figure out, but I don't think encouraging a player to try the next level if he thinks they are ready is inherently terrible.

Well, it seems obvious to me (also from the outside) that the alliance that is in the works is with BSC - if it's not it is going to be a huge issue considering there are already overlaps with the coaches. One would have to assume that the TD is involved with the negotiation of any sort of alliance so how would it possibly be with anyone BUT BSC? b/c from my perspective THEN it becomes a COI if GFR has an ECNL pathway to someone OTHER than BSC. Read between the lines here, people. NM made it clear he favors ECNL over GA and there are only 3 local ECNL clubs other than BSC and doubtful GFR is aligning with any of the others. Arlington does not need GFR, VDA doesn't either and Union - well, that ain't happenin.

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Anonymous wrote:From the outside, while this coach may have a COI in terms of coaching at both clubs (and why did GFR agree to that in the first place??), the first job of a youth coach is to develop players, not to keep a team together. Therefore if he thinks these kids can compete at the next level, he should tell them so. If he knows a club/ coach that he thinks would be a good fit, all the better.
Again, why GFR has a person who also coaches at BSC is beyond me to figure out, but I don't think encouraging a player to try the next level if he thinks they are ready is inherently terrible.

But the old ED agreed to it, not sure what the new one will do. Assuming he's on an annual contract like everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:From the outside, while this coach may have a COI in terms of coaching at both clubs (and [b]why did GFR agree to that in the first place??), the first job of a youth coach is to develop players, not to keep a team together. Therefore if he thinks these kids can compete at the next level, he should tell them so. If he knows a club/ coach that he thinks would be a good fit, all the better.
Again, why GFR has a person who also coaches at BSC is beyond me to figure out, but I don't think encouraging a player to try the next level if he thinks they are ready is inherently terrible.

But the old ED agreed to it, not sure what the new one will do. Assuming he's on an annual contract like everyone else.

Don't think the old ED could have done anything on the COI without board approval. Ask the board to answer the question as to why the club agreed to the COI.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:From the outside, while this coach may have a COI in terms of coaching at both clubs (and [b]why did GFR agree to that in the first place??), the first job of a youth coach is to develop players, not to keep a team together. Therefore if he thinks these kids can compete at the next level, he should tell them so. If he knows a club/ coach that he thinks would be a good fit, all the better.
Again, why GFR has a person who also coaches at BSC is beyond me to figure out, but I don't think encouraging a player to try the next level if he thinks they are ready is inherently terrible.

But the old ED agreed to it, not sure what the new one will do. Assuming he's on an annual contract like everyone else.

Don't think the old ED could have done anything on the COI without board approval. Ask the board to answer the question as to why the club agreed to the COI.

Neither the EDs nor the Board needed to do anything because there is no conflict. Just because you personally don't like it doesn't mean there is a conflict.