Trump - “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

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Anonymous wrote:Adjust for inflation, Haiti has received billions in aid every year for the last 100 years.

The Irish got NOTHING during the famine, not even surplus potatoes from England. If you gave the Irish billions in aid during the famine they'd be a G7 nation right now.

Don’t be ridiculous. The English would have stolen it from them.

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McCain’s responseeople from everywhere have made America great. We can’t we have him as our Septagenarian Republican president? He’s at least sane.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when William Donald Schaefer referred to the Eastern Shore as a 'shithouse'?

He was like Trump in so many ways but he was a Democrat so we elected him year after year to numerous offices and named a building after him.

Nope, I have never heard of him and am sure he was never Presdent of the United States speaking about foreign countries we have diplomatic and economic relationships with.

Try again, Skippy. To defend trump just makes you as trashy as he is.

So why aren't people moving en masse to Haiti and Africa?

Surely in Haiti's case, with infant mortality rates 9x of the USA, a literacy rate of 48% and a life expectancy of 63 years, it would be a wonderful place to raise a family.

https://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/haiti_statistics.html

Agree, all the pearl clutching libs need to go live in Haiti and Africa - you know, since they are so gorgeous and full of beautiful, warm, and friendly people.

I work with Haitians and Africans every week. They are, no joke, the nicest people you’d ever want to meet. They work hard, most of them don’t have much, but they are so grateful for the opportunity and their lives here.

Why did they leave Haiti? And Africa?

For opportunities, just like my ancestors wanted and why they left their home countries. Duh.

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Why are we discussing the Irish Potato Famine?!

The President of the United States has no business calling any foreign nation a "shithole"!!! For God's sake, people, have you no sense of decency left? These are our allies, our trade partners and the homelands of millions of American citizens.

There is no discussion on this - trump was WRONG.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: flyover states are shitholes. Rural areas are shitholes, full of hicks, addicts, and the uneducated. *general applause and high-fiving*

Trump: Haiti/Africa are shitholes. *omg racist bigot terrorist monster gasp pearl clutch outrage faint*

So... you hold the leader of the free world to the same standards as anon trolls on the internet?

What is wrong with some of you?

GTFOH. Been to Haiti? I have. Shithole is too kind.

If you are gonna say the same stuff about your fellow Americans but bash Trump, just STFU. Hypocrite.

I have been to Haiti many, many times, PP. Stop embarrassing yourself. It is not a "shithole" - the people are amazing and kind and the geography is beautiful.

I am saddened that you think this is how the President of the United States should refer to any foreign nation - whether you agree with the under-educated statements or not.

I deployed to Haiti on a humanitarian mission after an earthquake.

Do you like feces, voodoo, and garbage? It’s quite lovely, then.

So you think we should keep those people out then?

Why don’t “those people” improve their Country? If it’s so geographically gorgeous and Haitians are so kind and fabulous? Improve Haiti, quit leaving.

DP... why didn't the poor Irish just stay in Ireland and improve it? Why didn't Trump's mother do the same for Scotland; Melania the same for Slovenia? Why didn't your ancestors just stay in their sh1thole and improve their lot instead of leaving? SMH.. you guys are dense.

For the Irish, the potato crop lead to an unsustainable population coupled with land issues.

Look how quickly their population grew:

Why weren't the Irish smart enough to figure out how to deal with land issues and the failure of the potato crop? Poor uneducated Haitians are expected to fix their country's problems today, but not the poor uneducated Irish of over 100 years ago?

Why don't the leaders and residents of the poor red states like MI and WV fix their sh1thole of a state instead of their young people leaving for other states for a better life?

You studied this in school right?

In 1845, for example, 24 percent of all Irish tenant farms were of one to five acres in size, while 40 percent were of five to fifteen acres. This included marshland and bogland that could not be used for food production. As a result, holdings were so small that the only crop that could be grown in sufficient quantities, and which provided sufficient nourishment to feed a family, was potatoes.

Crop failure caused mass emigration because there was no food to be had. The population was simply unsustainable and the country was overly dependent on the only crop that could (barely) feed a population that had doubled in less than 50 years.

You will notice that graph shows that Ireland, 150 years later, still has a smaller population than it did at 1848 despite modern agricultural science and practices!

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Irish_Potato_Famine_(1845–1849)

They could have stayed there and figured it out, just like you expect Haitians to do.

Yes, I know exactly why the Irish came, just like the Polish, Germans, etc... but the comment about how poor uneducated Haitians should just fix their own country rather than coming here could be applied to every sh1thole country that these Europeans were escaping from.

Those people came decades ago. Ireland, Germany, and Poland are not 3rd world shitholes anymore.

But those places were sh1tholes back when hordes of them were immigrating to the US. That is the point. And Germans and Irish aren't trying to immigrate in droves to the US anymore because their countries aren't as bad as they used to be. However, poor Poles are immigrating to the UK in droves. My British inlaws make comments about the poor Polish immigrants all the time.

Back then you didn't have any Haitian immigrants to the US. You people really really are thickheaded. Poor people no matter when or from where want to leave their sh1tholes for a better life. It was true 200 years ago and true today. The US took in poor people from Europe who were escaping their sh1tholes for over 100 hundred years, and the British Americans living in the US didn't want them then. Now it's people from non European countries, and descendants of the poor Polish, Irish, Germans are saying the same thing about these other poor immigrants.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we discussing the Irish Potato Famine?!

The President of the United States has no business calling any foreign nation a "shithole"!!! For God's sake, people, have you no sense of decency left? These are our allies, our trade partners and the homelands of millions of American citizens.

There is no discussion on this - trump was WRONG.

Yes, this. NO sense of decency left.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why are we discussing the Irish Potato Famine?!

The President of the United States has no business calling any foreign nation a "shithole"!!! For God's sake, people, have you no sense of decency left? These are our allies, our trade partners and the homelands of millions of American citizens.

There is no discussion on this - trump was WRONG.

So what is the current state of Haiti?

Is it a model for governance, medical outcomes, literacy, corruption and environmental stewardship?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Haiti/United-States

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: flyover states are shitholes. Rural areas are shitholes, full of hicks, addicts, and the uneducated. *general applause and high-fiving*

Trump: Haiti/Africa are shitholes. *omg racist bigot terrorist monster gasp pearl clutch outrage faint*

So... you hold the leader of the free world to the same standards as anon trolls on the internet?

What is wrong with some of you?

GTFOH. Been to Haiti? I have. Shithole is too kind.

If you are gonna say the same stuff about your fellow Americans but bash Trump, just STFU. Hypocrite.

I have been to Haiti many, many times, PP. Stop embarrassing yourself. It is not a "shithole" - the people are amazing and kind and the geography is beautiful.

I am saddened that you think this is how the President of the United States should refer to any foreign nation - whether you agree with the under-educated statements or not.

I deployed to Haiti on a humanitarian mission after an earthquake.

Do you like feces, voodoo, and garbage? It’s quite lovely, then.

So you think we should keep those people out then?

Why don’t “those people” improve their Country? If it’s so geographically gorgeous and Haitians are so kind and fabulous? Improve Haiti, quit leaving.

DP... why didn't the poor Irish just stay in Ireland and improve it? Why didn't Trump's mother do the same for Scotland; Melania the same for Slovenia? Why didn't your ancestors just stay in their sh1thole and improve their lot instead of leaving? SMH.. you guys are dense.

For the Irish, the potato crop lead to an unsustainable population coupled with land issues.

Look how quickly their population grew:

Why weren't the Irish smart enough to figure out how to deal with land issues and the failure of the potato crop? Poor uneducated Haitians are expected to fix their country's problems today, but not the poor uneducated Irish of over 100 years ago?

Why don't the leaders and residents of the poor red states like MI and WV fix their sh1thole of a state instead of their young people leaving for other states for a better life?

You studied this in school right?

In 1845, for example, 24 percent of all Irish tenant farms were of one to five acres in size, while 40 percent were of five to fifteen acres. This included marshland and bogland that could not be used for food production. As a result, holdings were so small that the only crop that could be grown in sufficient quantities, and which provided sufficient nourishment to feed a family, was potatoes.

Crop failure caused mass emigration because there was no food to be had. The population was simply unsustainable and the country was overly dependent on the only crop that could (barely) feed a population that had doubled in less than 50 years.

You will notice that graph shows that Ireland, 150 years later, still has a smaller population than it did at 1848 despite modern agricultural science and practices!

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Irish_Potato_Famine_(1845–1849)

They could have stayed there and figured it out, just like you expect Haitians to do.

Yes, I know exactly why the Irish came, just like the Polish, Germans, etc... but the comment about how poor uneducated Haitians should just fix their own country rather than coming here could be applied to every sh1thole country that these Europeans were escaping from.

Those people came decades ago. Ireland, Germany, and Poland are not 3rd world shitholes anymore.

But those places were sh1tholes back when hordes of them were immigrating to the US. That is the point. And Germans and Irish aren't trying to immigrate in droves to the US anymore because their countries aren't as bad as they used to be. However, poor Poles are immigrating to the UK in droves. My British inlaws make comments about the poor Polish immigrants all the time.

Back then you didn't have any Haitian immigrants to the US. You people really really are thickheaded. Poor people no matter when or from where want to leave their sh1tholes for a better life. It was true 200 years ago and true today. The US took in poor people from Europe who were escaping their sh1tholes for over 100 hundred years, and the British Americans living in the US didn't want them then. Now it's people from non European countries, and descendants of the poor Polish, Irish, Germans are saying the same thing about these other poor immigrants.

So who should we let in?

What should our immigration policy be?

What is a proper number of immigrants to admited?

Should we pick the best and brightest, or allow for family reunion?

Should we pick ones from more compatible cultures, or be blind as to origin?

Should we exploit immigrants for cheap labour, or be more protectionalist?

That is all part of a rational debate.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we discussing the Irish Potato Famine?!

The President of the United States has no business calling any foreign nation a "shithole"!!! For God's sake, people, have you no sense of decency left? These are our allies, our trade partners and the homelands of millions of American citizens.

There is no discussion on this - trump was WRONG.

So what is the current state of Haiti?

Is it a model for governance, medical outcomes, literacy, corruption and environmental stewardship?

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Haiti/United-States

Irrelevant. You might be an asshole, but it's not appropriate for the President to call you one in a meeting.

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM: flyover states are shitholes. Rural areas are shitholes, full of hicks, addicts, and the uneducated. *general applause and high-fiving*

Trump: Haiti/Africa are shitholes. *omg racist bigot terrorist monster gasp pearl clutch outrage faint*

So... you hold the leader of the free world to the same standards as anon trolls on the internet?

What is wrong with some of you?

GTFOH. Been to Haiti? I have. Shithole is too kind.

If you are gonna say the same stuff about your fellow Americans but bash Trump, just STFU. Hypocrite.

I have been to Haiti many, many times, PP. Stop embarrassing yourself. It is not a "shithole" - the people are amazing and kind and the geography is beautiful.

I am saddened that you think this is how the President of the United States should refer to any foreign nation - whether you agree with the under-educated statements or not.

I deployed to Haiti on a humanitarian mission after an earthquake.

Do you like feces, voodoo, and garbage? It’s quite lovely, then.

So you think we should keep those people out then?

Why don’t “those people” improve their Country? If it’s so geographically gorgeous and Haitians are so kind and fabulous? Improve Haiti, quit leaving.

DP... why didn't the poor Irish just stay in Ireland and improve it? Why didn't Trump's mother do the same for Scotland; Melania the same for Slovenia? Why didn't your ancestors just stay in their sh1thole and improve their lot instead of leaving? SMH.. you guys are dense.

+1 You got yours and now you are so smug. You're from a shithole country too, PP.

You realize your candidates cozy relationship with Irish Water? Why don’t you leave the Irish out of this. Or not.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we discussing the Irish Potato Famine?!

The President of the United States has no business calling any foreign nation a "shithole"!!! For God's sake, people, have you no sense of decency left? These are our allies, our trade partners and the homelands of millions of American citizens.

There is no discussion on this - trump was WRONG.

I can't read 50+ pages of discussion here and am so glad to have seen this response. So spot on. Thank you. Otherwise, this thread is thoroughly depressing.

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Daily Stormer praises Trump’s comments, is glad he is on the same page as they are...

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An immigrant from a “shithole country” ran into a burning building in the Bronx four times to save his neighbors. And he lost his own life. Guess Trump doesn’t want people like this in the US.

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No racist, no racist.

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Anonymous wrote:Remember when William Donald Schaefer referred to the Eastern Shore as a 'shithouse'?

He was like Trump in so many ways but he was a Democrat so we elected him year after year to numerous offices and named a building after him.

I've lived in this area for 10 years but I have no idea who this is.

I guess he's not on the same level of importance as the President of the United States?