Boundaries assessment update 2023

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

Herndon HS is now at 99% capacity. What part of that don't you get?
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

It was at 85% capacity last year.

If you're able to read the graph in the link, they are now at 99%. They don't have "surplus capacity". Sorry to disappoint.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

Herndon HS is now at 99% capacity. What part of that don't you get?
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

It was at 85% capacity last year.

If you're able to read the graph in the link, they are now at 99%. They don't have "surplus capacity". Sorry to disappoint.

You are both misinformed and misleading. That is not a great combination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

You're certainly the expert on "obnoxious trolls," considering you repeat your complaints nearly verbatim all over this thread. I used to have empathy for the overcrowding at McLean HS, but honestly, you are so repetitive and truly obnoxious that any empathy I might have had is rapidly dwindling.

The lack of respect is mutual, Langley Mom, and your “empathy” has always been non-existent. And I’m not the only poster to whom you regularly respond with snide remarks and condescension.

As will others, I’ll continue to post here and advocate for additional capital investments in MHS and improvements to FCPS’s historically weak planning processes.

I’m the PP and my kids don’t go to either McLean OR Langley, so I have no dog in this fight. However, I’ve been reading this forum for a long time and the poster who pops up the most often (by far) is you and your constant complaints about McLean. As I said, I used to really feel bad about the overcrowding at McLean but at this point, I really couldn’t care less. If I was a McLean parent, I’d be pretty pissed having someone like you represent the community with your constant whining and need for attention. Although, perhaps you do exemplify the typical McLean HS parent, in which case, good luck to you.

NP.

I think it is hilarious you believe there is only one McLean HS parent who posts here.

You are also very petty to accuse a PP of “constant whining“ when it comes to the dilapidated condition and over-crowding at MHS.

The overcrowding was so severe a couple of years ago that MHS had 21 (yes, twenty one) separate temporary trailers in use as make-shift classrooms. There were so many of them, they even placed some on top of outdoor athletic facilities.

FCPS’s solution was a temporary “pod” which replaced 17 of the 21. But MHS is still 120% over capacity (and growing).

In the main building, the HVAC system is so dilapidated it frequently breaks down. This morning, the whole school suddenly lost power.

And be honest, PP:

- you and everyone else knows the current school board ignores MHS because they look down on it as “privileged” because of the high Asian and white student population.

It is time to vote for change in FCPS.

Different Mclean mom here and I agree with all of this. PP without any children at Mclean has a lot of nerve dismissing the concerns of Mclean parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

Herndon HS is now at 99% capacity. What part of that don't you get?
https://public.tableau.com/app/profile/fcps.fts/viz/SY2022-23StudentMembershipDashboard/ReadMe

It was at 85% capacity last year.

If you're able to read the graph in the link, they are now at 99%. They don't have "surplus capacity". Sorry to disappoint.

You are both misinformed and misleading. That is not a great combination.

Sorry, do you have anything of actual substance to add? The graph clearly shows Herndon at 99% capacity for 2022-23.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

You're certainly the expert on "obnoxious trolls," considering you repeat your complaints nearly verbatim all over this thread. I used to have empathy for the overcrowding at McLean HS, but honestly, you are so repetitive and truly obnoxious that any empathy I might have had is rapidly dwindling.

The lack of respect is mutual, Langley Mom, and your “empathy” has always been non-existent. And I’m not the only poster to whom you regularly respond with snide remarks and condescension.

As will others, I’ll continue to post here and advocate for additional capital investments in MHS and improvements to FCPS’s historically weak planning processes.

I’m the PP and my kids don’t go to either McLean OR Langley, so I have no dog in this fight. However, I’ve been reading this forum for a long time and the poster who pops up the most often (by far) is you and your constant complaints about McLean. As I said, I used to really feel bad about the overcrowding at McLean but at this point, I really couldn’t care less. If I was a McLean parent, I’d be pretty pissed having someone like you represent the community with your constant whining and need for attention. Although, perhaps you do exemplify the typical McLean HS parent, in which case, good luck to you.

NP.

I think it is hilarious you believe there is only one McLean HS parent who posts here.

You are also very petty to accuse a PP of “constant whining“ when it comes to the dilapidated condition and over-crowding at MHS.

The overcrowding was so severe a couple of years ago that MHS had 21 (yes, twenty one) separate temporary trailers in use as make-shift classrooms. There were so many of them, they even placed some on top of outdoor athletic facilities.

FCPS’s solution was a temporary “pod” which replaced 17 of the 21. But MHS is still 120% over capacity (and growing).

In the main building, the HVAC system is so dilapidated it frequently breaks down. This morning, the whole school suddenly lost power.

And be honest, PP:

- you and everyone else knows the current school board ignores MHS because they look down on it as “privileged” because of the high Asian and white student population.

It is time to vote for change in FCPS.

Different Mclean mom here and I agree with all of this. PP without any children at Mclean has a lot of nerve dismissing the concerns of Mclean parents.

Oh, please. I'm the PP you're referring to and I very clearly said I had a lot of empathy for McLean's plight - before being inundated with the same posts, over and over, practically verbatim. Many other posters have expressed the same sentiment. There are many other schools in FCPS but you act like yours is the only one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems circular. Build an addition to Langley it didn’t need so wealthy people living 10-13 miles away could continue to argue there’s no need to change the boundaries when it’s under-enrolled.

Great way to maintain a 3% FARMS school with a boundary that borders a 50% FARMS school and pretend it’s perfectly logical.

So who were Jeff Platenburg’s co-conspirators in this plot?

You don’t even need co-conspirators when the School Board exercises so little oversight over Facilities. You just bump up the approved expansion from 2100 seats to 2370 and don’t tell anyone until it’s almost finished. Great Falls is happy and the building contractor is even happier.

And then Platenberg got to take credit for having expanded capacity county-wide, even if it was at a location that isn’t convenient and is surrounded by neighborhoods with old people and families sending their kids to privates.

It’s ridiculous and it leads some people familiar with the shenanigans to say they’ll vote against school bonds in the future, but the problem with that is that it penalizes other schools that have greater needs and may finally be getting renovated.

Gosh, where have I heard this exact same song and dance before? Oh, right - on every single thread. Give it a rest, McLean mom.
DP

No one forces you to read every post, much less be such an obnoxious troll.

You're certainly the expert on "obnoxious trolls," considering you repeat your complaints nearly verbatim all over this thread. I used to have empathy for the overcrowding at McLean HS, but honestly, you are so repetitive and truly obnoxious that any empathy I might have had is rapidly dwindling.

The lack of respect is mutual, Langley Mom, and your “empathy” has always been non-existent. And I’m not the only poster to whom you regularly respond with snide remarks and condescension.

As will others, I’ll continue to post here and advocate for additional capital investments in MHS and improvements to FCPS’s historically weak planning processes.

I’m the PP and my kids don’t go to either McLean OR Langley, so I have no dog in this fight. However, I’ve been reading this forum for a long time and the poster who pops up the most often (by far) is you and your constant complaints about McLean. As I said, I used to really feel bad about the overcrowding at McLean but at this point, I really couldn’t care less. If I was a McLean parent, I’d be pretty pissed having someone like you represent the community with your constant whining and need for attention. Although, perhaps you do exemplify the typical McLean HS parent, in which case, good luck to you.

NP.

I think it is hilarious you believe there is only one McLean HS parent who posts here.

You are also very petty to accuse a PP of “constant whining“ when it comes to the dilapidated condition and over-crowding at MHS.

The overcrowding was so severe a couple of years ago that MHS had 21 (yes, twenty one) separate temporary trailers in use as make-shift classrooms. There were so many of them, they even placed some on top of outdoor athletic facilities.

FCPS’s solution was a temporary “pod” which replaced 17 of the 21. But MHS is still 120% over capacity (and growing).

In the main building, the HVAC system is so dilapidated it frequently breaks down. This morning, the whole school suddenly lost power.

And be honest, PP:

- you and everyone else knows the current school board ignores MHS because they look down on it as “privileged” because of the high Asian and white student population.

It is time to vote for change in FCPS.

Different Mclean mom here and I agree with all of this. PP without any children at Mclean has a lot of nerve dismissing the concerns of Mclean parents.

You are right, but expect to be trolled by the same poster with her predictably fake posts about her loss of “empathy.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

It would make much more sense to send Coates or McNair to Herndon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

It would make much more sense to send Coates or McNair to Herndon.

Not necessarily. Once Centreville has been expanded, some other Westfield neighborhoods to the south may move there, which could weigh in favor of keeping Coates and McNair at Westfield.

And Coates is poorer than Herndon HS, so moving it (as opposed to Forestville) to Herndon would further concentrate poverty there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

It would make much more sense to send Coates or McNair to Herndon.

Not necessarily. Once Centreville has been expanded, some other Westfield neighborhoods to the south may move there, which could weigh in favor of keeping Coates and McNair at Westfield.

And Coates is poorer than Herndon HS, so moving it (as opposed to Forestville) to Herndon would further concentrate poverty there.

1. It is far more likely that Chantilly kids would be sent to Centreville since Chantilly is overcrowded and many Chantilly kids live very close to Centreville, too.
2. Coates has LOTS of new construction and the poverty will be reduced. Expensive townhomes are being built. And, it is much, much closer to Herndon than Westfiedl--or Great Falls, for that matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

It would make much more sense to send Coates or McNair to Herndon.

Not necessarily. Once Centreville has been expanded, some other Westfield neighborhoods to the south may move there, which could weigh in favor of keeping Coates and McNair at Westfield.

And Coates is poorer than Herndon HS, so moving it (as opposed to Forestville) to Herndon would further concentrate poverty there.

1. It is far more likely that Chantilly kids would be sent to Centreville since Chantilly is overcrowded and many Chantilly kids live very close to Centreville, too.
2. Coates has LOTS of new construction and the poverty will be reduced. Expensive townhomes are being built. And, it is much, much closer to Herndon than Westfiedl--or Great Falls, for that matter.

I don’t agree with this analysis since, among other things, the area of Chantilly closest to Centreville is actually a park and you’d then be requiring Chantilly kids to cross both Route 66 and Route 29.

And the issue isn’t necessarily limited to whether Coates is closer to Herndon than Great Falls is, but also whether it’s closer to Westfield than Forestville is to Langley.

But, again, no one is making decisions today, nor should any one community act like it has the unique right to dictate what those future decisions might be.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If Herndon now has surplus capacity and is closer to some neighborhoods than Langley, it’s just a question of efficiency. It has nothing to do with “social engineering.”

What part of that don’t you get?

You don't make boundary adjustments unless it is needed. Especially, when people have been in a boundary for thirty years. It disrupts families and communities. In this case, it is not needed.

You could make an adjustment in the name of efficiency to reduce recurring transportation costs.

FCPS expanded HHS so now more kids who live closer to the school could go there without it being overcrowded. That wasn’t the case in the mid-90s when they may have had no better alternative than to send kids who lived within a few miles of Loudoun County all the way to Langley.

Anyway, you don’t get to rule out in advance what future School Boards may decide makes sense.

DP. Absolutely. And you don't get to insist on getting your way merely because you're resentful (for whatever reason).

I’m not advocating for a boundary change, only pointing out how a future School Board might reasonably conclude one is appropriate given Herndon’s recent expansion. Try to keep up.

You mean the Herndon HS that is currently at 99% capacity, per the link posted earlier? Oh. Try to keep up.

2024-28 Capital improvement Plan has Herndon HS at 85% capacity in both 2022-23 and 2027-28 (projected).

That was based on a program capacity of 2744 seats and a fall 2022 enrollment of 2341. By the end of last year the enrollment was down to 2328 (still 85%).

The same 85% information that’s in the CIP is on the linked “Capacity Dashboard.”

The only 99% figure I see associated with Herndon HS relates to the accuracy of some of FCPS’s past year-to-year enrollment projections, which is distinct from capacity.

Feel free to share a screenshot of anything demonstrating HHS is at 99% capacity. Given the school’s current capacity, that would mean over 2700 students.

As a policy matter, there would be trade-offs between expanding Herndon’s enrollment and shorter commutes for students who live much closer to Herndon than to Langley. But Langley has less surplus capacity now than Herndon, and a future SB might conclude that it wants to move other students who live closer to Langley than western Great Falls to the school.

It would make much more sense to send Coates or McNair to Herndon.

Not necessarily. Once Centreville has been expanded, some other Westfield neighborhoods to the south may move there, which could weigh in favor of keeping Coates and McNair at Westfield.

And Coates is poorer than Herndon HS, so moving it (as opposed to Forestville) to Herndon would further concentrate poverty there.

1. It is far more likely that Chantilly kids would be sent to Centreville since Chantilly is overcrowded and many Chantilly kids live very close to Centreville, too.
2. Coates has LOTS of new construction and the poverty will be reduced. Expensive townhomes are being built. And, it is much, much closer to Herndon than Westfiedl--or Great Falls, for that matter.

I don’t agree with this analysis since, among other things, the area of Chantilly closest to Centreville is actually a park and you’d then be requiring Chantilly kids to cross both Route 66 and Route 29.

And the issue isn’t necessarily limited to whether Coates is closer to Herndon than Great Falls is, but also whether it’s closer to Westfield than Forestville is to Langley.

But, again, no one is making decisions today, nor should any one community act like it has the unique right to dictate what those future decisions might be.

Actually, the area of Chantilly closest to Centreville would not involve I66 at all--there the road goes under I66. And, it is right next to a neighborhood that goes to Centreville which already crosses 29.