3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. It’s as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? It’s just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.


why do you think the school was conservative? It is presbytarian...

Someone posted earlier that the school is PCA, not PCUSA. That’s the more conservative flavor of Presbyterian.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/tell-difference-presbyterian-denominations/?amp


Thank you for posting that. I've been very confused about it since I thought Presbyterians were just less formal Episcopalians. Didn't realize that there's an entire world of offshoot flavors.


Covenant school is a feeder school for Christ Presbyterian Academy (CPA), also PCA associated. governor lees kids graduated from CPA. The same governor who is banning trans healthcare for minors, etc. really surprised this connection hasn’t been talked about. Any yes, the covenant families are likely republicans who support Lee and rep ogles.

Well this is interesting. Curious why nobody on the news mentioned this yet.


The shooter was probably (and rightly) feeling directly targeted by the anti-trans agenda being pushed by the Governor, the church and its network, and other Tennessee officials.


Then she should’ve gone after the politicians themselves not children and teachers and custodians. This shooter is just another hateful, horrible murderous coward, just like every other mass shooter.


Shooter probably had much easier access to the vehicle (the school pushing ideology) as opposed to the politicians, who are surrounded by armed security.


If I was super angry w politicians (and I think that Bill Lee is a horrible person so justified in being angry at him), and I was homicidal and suicidal as this shooter was, I’d much rather go after the politician than some innocent kids.
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PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. It’s as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? It’s just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.


why do you think the school was conservative? It is presbytarian...

Someone posted earlier that the school is PCA, not PCUSA. That’s the more conservative flavor of Presbyterian.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/tell-difference-presbyterian-denominations/?amp


Thank you for posting that. I've been very confused about it since I thought Presbyterians were just less formal Episcopalians. Didn't realize that there's an entire world of offshoot flavors.


Covenant school is a feeder school for Christ Presbyterian Academy (CPA), also PCA associated. governor lees kids graduated from CPA. The same governor who is banning trans healthcare for minors, etc. really surprised this connection hasn’t been talked about. Any yes, the covenant families are likely republicans who support Lee and rep ogles.

Well this is interesting. Curious why nobody on the news mentioned this yet.


The shooter was probably (and rightly) feeling directly targeted by the anti-trans agenda being pushed by the Governor, the church and its network, and other Tennessee officials.


Then she should’ve gone after the politicians themselves not children and teachers and custodians. This shooter is just another hateful, horrible murderous coward, just like every other mass shooter.


Shooter probably had much easier access to the vehicle (the school pushing ideology) as opposed to the politicians, who are surrounded by armed security.


If I was super angry w politicians (and I think that Bill Lee is a horrible person so justified in being angry at him), and I was homicidal and suicidal as this shooter was, I’d much rather go after the politician than some innocent kids.


I think attempting to injure/kill a governor even if you’re basically guaranteed to die in the process (because you likely will anyway in any mass shooting; the shooter almost always dies) is much more understandable than shooting up a school.
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I wish people would realize that even laws at this point are not going to be truly effective. I mean we have too many guns on the street and too many people who own them have no clue how to sue, keep safe, and/or have mental issues that are potentially harmful to public and themselves.

What we almost need is someone to show what a dead kid looks like. It's horrible and disgusting but it's almost unless we see the blood and gore and what tragedy visually looks like, we are powerless to want to change. I don't know who would want to do that but I almost think as a society we are so beyond hope that unless we hold a mirror to see the ugliness we've created, no change will ever happen.
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Anonymous wrote:I wish people would realize that even laws at this point are not going to be truly effective. I mean we have too many guns on the street and too many people who own them have no clue how to sue, keep safe, and/or have mental issues that are potentially harmful to public and themselves.

What we almost need is someone to show what a dead kid looks like. It's horrible and disgusting but it's almost unless we see the blood and gore and what tragedy visually looks like, we are powerless to want to change. I don't know who would want to do that but I almost think as a society we are so beyond hope that unless we hold a mirror to see the ugliness we've created, no change will ever happen.


I think every reasonable person knows they're not going to be 100% effective. We clearly have a culture/mental health problem and these would-be school shooters WILL find a way to harm innocent people, it's just fact. But so what? Let's make it more difficult for them. We can enact tighter gun laws, and stricter penalties for illegal possession and gun crimes, and it will help, and there's NO EXCUSE not to.
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OMG - this family is beautiful! Truly lovely and perfect - each one of them.

So sad and such a terrible terrible loss for this to happen to a family like that.


Yes, what a lovely looking family. Thank you for posting, I should send them a sympathy card to their church.


It would be less tragic if they were ugly? Wtf!?


Explain why you know the name Gabby Petito, if you think the victim’s attractiveness is irrelevant.

It is relevant.

Yep. I noticed that people responded to now photogenic the family was. While I would've felt terrible for them even if each family member looked like Qasimodo...though if they were deformed hunchbacks, nobody would be posting their photos on social media for sympathy.


This is a reality few want to admit.

Fewer still will confront our sensationalist media over their choice of coverage:

- ugly people? Media could care less if they die.

But a blonde pretty girl?? Her photos are all over the front pages for days.

Media in the US is so disingenuous and fake!
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Nothing ever is going to happen to change the gun violence epidemic in the US. Because Republicans love guns more than they love anything else including children, and feel the thousands of gun deaths per year is simply collateral damage, sad but something they are willing to accept for their right to brandish cool armaments on their Christmas cards.
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Republicans love fetuses more than they love babies, todslers, and elementary school kids.
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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun


1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.


Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.


That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.


It's a start. Chip away a little at a time. There's no other way.


Agree. Assault weapons ban is low hanging fruit since it was in place for 10 years and the world did not come to end. Life goes on just find without assault weapons polluting our country.


Manufacturers just designed around the ban during those years. Just as manufacturers designed around California's current ban. The compliant rifles remain just as deadly as any other rifle.



I don't care if one is pro gun or anti gun, it’s just stupid legislation that doesn't solve the problem one way or the other.

So, Madame Gun Genius, only the US, unique among developed nations, has this problem. I guess it’s something inherent in us as a people that we’re all just uncontrollably violent. No way we can solve this with any laws. Nope. We just have to keep destroying families because we’re us.


I agree with your statement. Yes there is something unique about the USA and it's not access to firearms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

The other countries with high gun possession rates don't have the school shooting issues that we do. Countries that are literal warzone don't have that issue, lawless narco states don't have that issue. Countries that mandated each house have a firearm never had that issue.

So what makes Americans shoot up schools? It has to be something beyond merely availability.


IT. IS. MENTAL. HEALTH!!!!

America is in a mass mental health crisis.

The pandemic lockdowns and social media amplified mental health problems, and now we are seeing the effects.
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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun


1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.


Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.


That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.


Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?


The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.



To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.


Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.


Agree. It was a gun shooting out handgun bullets. Point stands.
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PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. It’s as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? It’s just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.


why do you think the school was conservative? It is presbytarian...

Someone posted earlier that the school is PCA, not PCUSA. That’s the more conservative flavor of Presbyterian.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/tell-difference-presbyterian-denominations/?amp


Thank you for posting that. I've been very confused about it since I thought Presbyterians were just less formal Episcopalians. Didn't realize that there's an entire world of offshoot flavors.


Covenant school is a feeder school for Christ Presbyterian Academy (CPA), also PCA associated. governor lees kids graduated from CPA. The same governor who is banning trans healthcare for minors, etc. really surprised this connection hasn’t been talked about. Any yes, the covenant families are likely republicans who support Lee and rep ogles.

Well this is interesting. Curious why nobody on the news mentioned this yet.


Because that is speculation at best. If it comes out in the manifesto that this was a reason it will be talked about.

Not sure why conservative lunkheads aren’t more nervous. Lots of queer people are mad as hell and aren’t going to take it anymore. I won’t be surprised if they fight back like this more going forward. It’s not like queer people are meek.


Stop. The LGBTQ community has many valid reasons to be angry, but most are not violent. I don’t have a single queer friend who has any desire to kill children who had nothing to do with historical discrimination. There is no reason to think this will become widespread going forward.
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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun


1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.


Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.


That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.

Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.


It's a start. Chip away a little at a time. There's no other way.


Agree. Assault weapons ban is low hanging fruit since it was in place for 10 years and the world did not come to end. Life goes on just find without assault weapons polluting our country.


Manufacturers just designed around the ban during those years. Just as manufacturers designed around California's current ban. The compliant rifles remain just as deadly as any other rifle.



I don't care if one is pro gun or anti gun, it’s just stupid legislation that doesn't solve the problem one way or the other.

So, Madame Gun Genius, only the US, unique among developed nations, has this problem. I guess it’s something inherent in us as a people that we’re all just uncontrollably violent. No way we can solve this with any laws. Nope. We just have to keep destroying families because we’re us.


I agree with your statement. Yes there is something unique about the USA and it's not access to firearms.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country

The other countries with high gun possession rates don't have the school shooting issues that we do. Countries that are literal warzone don't have that issue, lawless narco states don't have that issue. Countries that mandated each house have a firearm never had that issue.

So what makes Americans shoot up schools? It has to be something beyond merely availability.


IT. IS. MENTAL. HEALTH!!!!

America is in a mass mental health crisis.

The pandemic lockdowns and social media amplified mental health problems, and now we are seeing the effects.


And the violence and carnage we are seeing wouldn’t be possible without access to guns. no matter how mentally ill someone is, they wouldn’t be able to perpetrate an attack like this without guns.
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PP here- Its relevant because its a possible (likely) motive for the shooting. A conservative school that likely didn't support this student in the way they thought they should be supported. In a state that is make life hell for trans people. It’s as relevant as any other motive, why bury it? I'm guessing you don't have an issue around reporting when a white supremicist shoots up a Black church? It’s just seems like disingenuious reporting by a serious new outlet.


why do you think the school was conservative? It is presbytarian...

Someone posted earlier that the school is PCA, not PCUSA. That’s the more conservative flavor of Presbyterian.
https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/tell-difference-presbyterian-denominations/?amp


Thank you for posting that. I've been very confused about it since I thought Presbyterians were just less formal Episcopalians. Didn't realize that there's an entire world of offshoot flavors.


Covenant school is a feeder school for Christ Presbyterian Academy (CPA), also PCA associated. governor lees kids graduated from CPA. The same governor who is banning trans healthcare for minors, etc. really surprised this connection hasn’t been talked about. Any yes, the covenant families are likely republicans who support Lee and rep ogles.


Terry Moran just made the same connection:

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun


1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.


Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.


That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.


Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?


The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.



To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.


Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.


Agree. It was a gun shooting out handgun bullets. Point stands.


No because the force is different from rifle vs handgun. I already posted addressing this.



"“I often use the analogy that the injury to the liver [with a semi-automatic rifle] would be similar to just taking a watermelon and dropping it on the cement. It’s incredible the amount of energy delivered. … By comparison, the 9 millimeter would drill a hole through the liver. So you’d have a sizable hole, but if you didn’t hit a major blood vessel, it’s a pretty tolerable injury. In fact, we in civilian trauma will often manage a 9-millimeter liver injury without an operation, whereas a patient with an assault rifle would be dead within 20 minutes if you didn’t operate,” he said.

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How US gun culture stacks up with the world
Other human tissue in the body reacts differently. “If you struck a bone with an AR-15, like your femur in your leg, it would literally shatter into multiple fragments that would sort of serve as secondary missiles. Whereas … we’ve seen 9 millimeters that will actually drill a hole right to the femur,” he said. (An AR-15 is a lightweight semi-automatic – that is, self-loading – rifle manufactured by Colt; other gunmakers make rifles in a similar style.)

Moore also brings up cavitation as a way of visualizing what is happening in the body. He describes cavitation “as the result of a rapid expansion of the tissues surrounding the path of the bullet. … In essence, instead of a virtual drill hole with a 9 millimeter, your path of injury in tissue with an AR-15 will be 6 inches wide. And the path beyond that is even wider, but the tissue recoils back into it,” said Moore, noting that inelastic tissue – like the liver, heart and brain – are the most vulnerable to this type of energy."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/health/gun-violence-human-body-damage-gupta/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Did the shooter get the guns legally and pass a background check? Perhaps the trans may have been a concern because of mental illness and unfit to purchase a gun


1. By definition, any mass shooter is mentally ill.

2. The APA no longer considers trans identity as a mental disorder.


Part of the background check should look into mental health, perhaps a question about transitioning

Let's keep it simple. BAN assault weapons. Then move on to severely regulating the rest of these killing tools.


That won't work.

Assault weapons are just scary looking rifles.


Also sniper rifles are the same as hunting rifles.

That's so cute. No they explode and pulverize the little children they are fired upon. All the others just kill them dead. Do you have children?


The shooter could have done exactly the same thing with any other rifle, shotgun, or handgun. There is no feature on that rifle that increased lethality against unarmed students and staff.



To be clear, handgun bullets do not have the same effect on the body and are far easier to survive than rifle bullets.

-Healthcare worker.


Shooter was armed with a Keltec rifle that is chambered in 9mm.

Point stands.


Agree. It was a gun shooting out handgun bullets. Point stands.


No because the force is different from rifle vs handgun. I already posted addressing this.



"“I often use the analogy that the injury to the liver [with a semi-automatic rifle] would be similar to just taking a watermelon and dropping it on the cement. It’s incredible the amount of energy delivered. … By comparison, the 9 millimeter would drill a hole through the liver. So you’d have a sizable hole, but if you didn’t hit a major blood vessel, it’s a pretty tolerable injury. In fact, we in civilian trauma will often manage a 9-millimeter liver injury without an operation, whereas a patient with an assault rifle would be dead within 20 minutes if you didn’t operate,” he said.

20210727-gun-violence-interactive-hero-image
How US gun culture stacks up with the world
Other human tissue in the body reacts differently. “If you struck a bone with an AR-15, like your femur in your leg, it would literally shatter into multiple fragments that would sort of serve as secondary missiles. Whereas … we’ve seen 9 millimeters that will actually drill a hole right to the femur,” he said. (An AR-15 is a lightweight semi-automatic – that is, self-loading – rifle manufactured by Colt; other gunmakers make rifles in a similar style.)

Moore also brings up cavitation as a way of visualizing what is happening in the body. He describes cavitation “as the result of a rapid expansion of the tissues surrounding the path of the bullet. … In essence, instead of a virtual drill hole with a 9 millimeter, your path of injury in tissue with an AR-15 will be 6 inches wide. And the path beyond that is even wider, but the tissue recoils back into it,” said Moore, noting that inelastic tissue – like the liver, heart and brain – are the most vulnerable to this type of energy."

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/health/gun-violence-human-body-damage-gupta/index.html



Updated link to youtube video of trauma surgeon reviewing the difference in bullet damage from handgun vs rifle, 9mm, .45

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Anyone know when the next mass shooting is? MAGA!
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