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If I was super angry w politicians (and I think that Bill Lee is a horrible person so justified in being angry at him), and I was homicidal and suicidal as this shooter was, I’d much rather go after the politician than some innocent kids. |
I think attempting to injure/kill a governor even if you’re basically guaranteed to die in the process (because you likely will anyway in any mass shooting; the shooter almost always dies) is much more understandable than shooting up a school. |
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I wish people would realize that even laws at this point are not going to be truly effective. I mean we have too many guns on the street and too many people who own them have no clue how to sue, keep safe, and/or have mental issues that are potentially harmful to public and themselves.
What we almost need is someone to show what a dead kid looks like. It's horrible and disgusting but it's almost unless we see the blood and gore and what tragedy visually looks like, we are powerless to want to change. I don't know who would want to do that but I almost think as a society we are so beyond hope that unless we hold a mirror to see the ugliness we've created, no change will ever happen. |
I think every reasonable person knows they're not going to be 100% effective. We clearly have a culture/mental health problem and these would-be school shooters WILL find a way to harm innocent people, it's just fact. But so what? Let's make it more difficult for them. We can enact tighter gun laws, and stricter penalties for illegal possession and gun crimes, and it will help, and there's NO EXCUSE not to. |
This is a reality few want to admit. Fewer still will confront our sensationalist media over their choice of coverage: - ugly people? Media could care less if they die. But a blonde pretty girl?? Her photos are all over the front pages for days. Media in the US is so disingenuous and fake! |
| Nothing ever is going to happen to change the gun violence epidemic in the US. Because Republicans love guns more than they love anything else including children, and feel the thousands of gun deaths per year is simply collateral damage, sad but something they are willing to accept for their right to brandish cool armaments on their Christmas cards. |
| Republicans love fetuses more than they love babies, todslers, and elementary school kids. |
IT. IS. MENTAL. HEALTH!!!! America is in a mass mental health crisis. The pandemic lockdowns and social media amplified mental health problems, and now we are seeing the effects. |
Agree. It was a gun shooting out handgun bullets. Point stands. |
Stop. The LGBTQ community has many valid reasons to be angry, but most are not violent. I don’t have a single queer friend who has any desire to kill children who had nothing to do with historical discrimination. There is no reason to think this will become widespread going forward. |
And the violence and carnage we are seeing wouldn’t be possible without access to guns. no matter how mentally ill someone is, they wouldn’t be able to perpetrate an attack like this without guns. |
Terry Moran just made the same connection: |
No because the force is different from rifle vs handgun. I already posted addressing this. "“I often use the analogy that the injury to the liver [with a semi-automatic rifle] would be similar to just taking a watermelon and dropping it on the cement. It’s incredible the amount of energy delivered. … By comparison, the 9 millimeter would drill a hole through the liver. So you’d have a sizable hole, but if you didn’t hit a major blood vessel, it’s a pretty tolerable injury. In fact, we in civilian trauma will often manage a 9-millimeter liver injury without an operation, whereas a patient with an assault rifle would be dead within 20 minutes if you didn’t operate,” he said. 20210727-gun-violence-interactive-hero-image How US gun culture stacks up with the world Other human tissue in the body reacts differently. “If you struck a bone with an AR-15, like your femur in your leg, it would literally shatter into multiple fragments that would sort of serve as secondary missiles. Whereas … we’ve seen 9 millimeters that will actually drill a hole right to the femur,” he said. (An AR-15 is a lightweight semi-automatic – that is, self-loading – rifle manufactured by Colt; other gunmakers make rifles in a similar style.) Moore also brings up cavitation as a way of visualizing what is happening in the body. He describes cavitation “as the result of a rapid expansion of the tissues surrounding the path of the bullet. … In essence, instead of a virtual drill hole with a 9 millimeter, your path of injury in tissue with an AR-15 will be 6 inches wide. And the path beyond that is even wider, but the tissue recoils back into it,” said Moore, noting that inelastic tissue – like the liver, heart and brain – are the most vulnerable to this type of energy." https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/08/health/gun-violence-human-body-damage-gupta/index.html |
Updated link to youtube video of trauma surgeon reviewing the difference in bullet damage from handgun vs rifle, 9mm, .45 |
| Anyone know when the next mass shooting is? MAGA! |