ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread with parents reporting that clubs are communicating Aug Sept birthdays will be rostered on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25881460424815047/

Who's the bigger fool

The parents or the club?

There's no grade in school leagues

College is 100% grade if players intend to play in college they'll need to align to grade in school groupings. Specifically what this means is college coaches are comparing potential recruits against all other players that are in their graduating year or grade in. school.

College coaches don't care where or what age group you played as a kid but obviously colleges need you to be able to matriculate into their school. Comparing players against all others, transfers, internationals, MLSN1 vs ECNL vs USYS, that are trying to go college doesn't mean they all have to play in the same age group. Said college coaches to clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another Facebook thread with parents reporting that clubs are communicating Aug Sept birthdays will be rostered on their grade in school team.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/scholarshipsforsocceracademy/posts/25881460424815047/

Who's the bigger fool

The parents or the club?

There's no grade in school leagues

College is 100% grade if players intend to play in college they'll need to align to grade in school groupings. Specifically what this means is college coaches are comparing potential recruits against all other players that are in their graduating year or grade in. school.

College coaches don't care where or what age group you played as a kid but obviously colleges need you to be able to matriculate into their school. Comparing players against all others, transfers, internationals, MLSN1 vs ECNL vs USYS, that are trying to go college doesn't mean they all have to play in the same age group. Said college coaches to clubs.

But the earth is flat women who understand science are witches

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You think you can sneak by all the rules and do your own thing. This might work when kids are young but there are repercussions and eventually you'll be forced to align into a standard. Assuming that you want your kid to participate in things like High School or College.

The gist of the original post is that ECNL is moving to school year, 8/1, limited playing up for best, latitude to play up on secondary teams to play with friends as stated in league and club announcements.

College coaches told clubs they don't care about your age group, they take the best players from transfers to International to kids on good youth teams and bad youth teams and have to evaluate them all, like they do now.

No repercussions for playing on age in fact it's beneficial. Oldest have best shot of becoming best and youngest best shot of quitting based on the relative age effects. Cumulative benefits of being the best adding up over the year (the Matthew Effect) gives players the best chance to be their best and least chance to quit when older and the physical differences among the kids in age groups decreases to a minimal amount.

The fact that you are trying to convince others to make uniformed decisions based on your opinion shows how much you need that August girl of your DD's team and don't have the best interest of August kids.

It's a week or so from March, top teams have been created, it's over.

Ask any college coach on planet earth and they will say players are recruited according to their graduating year aka grade in school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You think you can sneak by all the rules and do your own thing. This might work when kids are young but there are repercussions and eventually you'll be forced to align into a standard. Assuming that you want your kid to participate in things like High School or College.

The gist of the original post is that ECNL is moving to school year, 8/1, limited playing up for best, latitude to play up on secondary teams to play with friends as stated in league and club announcements.

College coaches told clubs they don't care about your age group, they take the best players from transfers to International to kids on good youth teams and bad youth teams and have to evaluate them all, like they do now.

No repercussions for playing on age in fact it's beneficial. Oldest have best shot of becoming best and youngest best shot of quitting based on the relative age effects. Cumulative benefits of being the best adding up over the year (the Matthew Effect) gives players the best chance to be their best and least chance to quit when older and the physical differences among the kids in age groups decreases to a minimal amount.

The fact that you are trying to convince others to make uniformed decisions based on your opinion shows how much you need that August girl of your DD's team and don't have the best interest of August kids.

It's a week or so from March, top teams have been created, it's over.

Ask any college coach on planet earth and they will say players are recruited according to their graduating year aka grade in school.

And then evaluated on their skills and team fit if they can get in the school and want to go there. What age group or quality of the team they play on is not a factor. Say said college coaches to club teams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You think you can sneak by all the rules and do your own thing. This might work when kids are young but there are repercussions and eventually you'll be forced to align into a standard. Assuming that you want your kid to participate in things like High School or College.

The gist of the original post is that ECNL is moving to school year, 8/1, limited playing up for best, latitude to play up on secondary teams to play with friends as stated in league and club announcements.

College coaches told clubs they don't care about your age group, they take the best players from transfers to International to kids on good youth teams and bad youth teams and have to evaluate them all, like they do now.

No repercussions for playing on age in fact it's beneficial. Oldest have best shot of becoming best and youngest best shot of quitting based on the relative age effects. Cumulative benefits of being the best adding up over the year (the Matthew Effect) gives players the best chance to be their best and least chance to quit when older and the physical differences among the kids in age groups decreases to a minimal amount.

The fact that you are trying to convince others to make uniformed decisions based on your opinion shows how much you need that August girl of your DD's team and don't have the best interest of August kids.

It's a week or so from March, top teams have been created, it's over.

Ask any college coach on planet earth and they will say players are recruited according to their graduating year aka grade in school.

Imagine being so proudly ignorant and shortsighted, but loud

Players are recruited by their skills, potential and family
Graduation year is for administrative purposes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You think you can sneak by all the rules and do your own thing. This might work when kids are young but there are repercussions and eventually you'll be forced to align into a standard. Assuming that you want your kid to participate in things like High School or College.

The gist of the original post is that ECNL is moving to school year, 8/1, limited playing up for best, latitude to play up on secondary teams to play with friends as stated in league and club announcements.

College coaches told clubs they don't care about your age group, they take the best players from transfers to International to kids on good youth teams and bad youth teams and have to evaluate them all, like they do now.

No repercussions for playing on age in fact it's beneficial. Oldest have best shot of becoming best and youngest best shot of quitting based on the relative age effects. Cumulative benefits of being the best adding up over the year (the Matthew Effect) gives players the best chance to be their best and least chance to quit when older and the physical differences among the kids in age groups decreases to a minimal amount.

The fact that you are trying to convince others to make uniformed decisions based on your opinion shows how much you need that August girl of your DD's team and don't have the best interest of August kids.

It's a week or so from March, top teams have been created, it's over.

Ask any college coach on planet earth and they will say players are recruited according to their graduating year aka grade in school.

Imagine being so proudly ignorant and shortsighted, but loud

Players are recruited by their skills, potential and family
Graduation year is for administrative purposes

What color is the sky in your world?

[Anonymous]

So say you have an August 2012 who is a solid 2nd or 3rd team player and small, but has no aspirations beyond playing soccer for fun. Do you move him down for confidence and more playing time, or keep him with his same grade people? We are moving so current teammate relationships are not a factor.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So say you have an August 2012 who is a solid 2nd or 3rd team player and small, but has no aspirations beyond playing soccer for fun. Do you move him down for confidence and more playing time, or keep him with his same grade people? We are moving so current teammate relationships are not a factor.

Its very unusual for an August boy to be sent to school on time TBH. Especially a kid who is small already. You aren't moving him "down" you are playing him in the correct age grouping.

[Anonymous]

My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

PDA got in trouble last year for having girls play on the boys team.

[Anonymous]

I reached out to our MLSN director about the AD program and the age switch. They stated that it was entirely dependent on whether it'd be good for the kid to play "up" on their old team or reclass down.

My kids older so it wasn't clear if kids just coming up or into the club would have that choice.

A friend who kid is looking at switching to a boys RL team who was told they are trying to not reclass. Again, not sure if that's just for the olders or not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

PDA got in trouble last year for having girls play on the boys team.

PDA also used guest players rostered with other non ECNL clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

They said no players will be forced up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My daughter’s club in California (ECNL-Girls MLSN-Boys) just had our age group change meeting lat night.

For the girls this is strictly Aug-July change, if a player wants to stay and play up that is decided by each individual coach/player, a players who is Aug-Dec wants to play with the age group closer aligned with their school grade will be allowed but again it’s up to each coach and families to decide based on playing time and other factors. No Aug-Dec player will be forced up.

Boys is still BY and nothing changes. However players who are Aug-Dec ca get additional playing time on the MLS2 team that switches to SY. Also a player who is Aug-Dec 2011 will be 2011/12 U15 next year for MLS2 they can bioband down to play in the U14 2012/2013 age groups.

Are club will also allow girls 2011 to bioband down and play 2012/2013 boys to get extra playing time and development opportunities.

A better way to put this is Aug birthdays can choose to try out on the correct grade A team or the A team a grade down. However coaches (and clubs) decide who makes the team. Clubs dont want Aug birthdays playing down on A teams and will offer players that choose to play down the option of playing on the correct grade in school B team or the grade down B team. Parents will choose the correct grade in school B team because playing on a grade down B team would hurt their ego too much and either way their kid doesnt want to be on a team with kids a grade below them.

They said no players will be forced up.

Please explain in the previous example where the club forced anyone to play up. This didnt happen. Parents ego and the kids unwillingness to play on a grade down team were the reasons playing on the correct grade in school B team occurred.

You think you hold all the cards and can do whatever you want. You dont and you cant. Clubs deal with parents like you daily.