Biles out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s good sportsmanship to put on her track suit and support her team, which is what she did.
She could have bailed entirely and hid in the locker, or gone back to the hotel.
She did the right thing.

According to the rules, she shouldn't even be in the country.

No. She’s still on the team and is still slated to compete in the individuals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think she may save thousands of lives with her honesty and determination to protect her mental health. I bet there are teenagers, hell, maybe even adults who may now feel less ashamed to admit to mental struggles and maybe more likely to seek help. I frankly see it as a heroic, world changing act. She’s a bigger hero now than she was before.

So which is it? A cause of the "twisties" or a larger mental health issue?

Maybe it's both. If you think there's such a fine line on mental health issues, you don't understand what mental health issues are. It's not like having strep throat where there's a test of you either having it or not.

And let’s be honest: a major contributor to any Black athlete’s mental health struggle is the pervasive white supremacy in America.

Let's be honest : you are trying to invent problems that dont exist. She never mentioned race. You are an instigating tool!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She quit because she was about to lose. Why is she still in Tokyo stealing the spotlight? Shouldn’t she be going home to work on her mental issues?

+1. Her performance had been going downhill for a while. It may very well be that she quit because she was afraid to lose. She would look a bit silly donning her GOAT leotard on the bronze medal stand.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She quit because she was about to lose. Why is she still in Tokyo stealing the spotlight? Shouldn’t she be going home to work on her mental issues?

+1. Her performance had been going downhill for a while. It may very well be that she quit because she was afraid to lose. She would look a bit silly donning her GOAT leotard on the bronze medal stand.

+2

A big part of an athlete's career is knowing when to pack it in. Getting that decision wrong can be fatal to one's legacy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The thing people forget it that the way you make an elite athlete is the same way you break a person. You push and push beyond what is normal and healthy. If you choose not to push there is always someone else who will push beyond. The rewards are signifiant but the price paid is also high.

Sure, there is a high burnout rate with most professional sports. But participation is voluntary.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s good sportsmanship to put on her track suit and support her team, which is what she did.
She could have bailed entirely and hid in the locker, or gone back to the hotel.
She did the right thing.

According to the rules, she shouldn't even be in the country.

I guarantee she's secretly rooting AGAINST her teammates. She wishes they'd crash and burn without her. But they're winning golds!!! lol

Karen, it’s not 5:00 somewhere yet!

So you think she's genuinely happy to see her teammates win golds? Bull****. She wanted to be the reason they won and without her the reason they lost. Now that they're winning golds, the team and this nation has moved on from Biles. She's irrelevant. Just another dime a dozen washed up gymnast nobody will care about when Japan concludes.

I forget… how many moves has Biles had named after her?

Three or four?

Apparently, Kelly Garrison has three moves named after her. I have no idea who she is.

I remember her. She qualified second for the 1988 Olympics. At the time she was Kelly Garrison-Steves, but maybe she isn't anymore? Anyway, she did a really cool trick on the beam where she rolled on her shoulders.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:She quit because she was about to lose. Why is she still in Tokyo stealing the spotlight? Shouldn’t she be going home to work on her mental issues?

+1. Her performance had been going downhill for a while. It may very well be that she quit because she was afraid to lose. She would look a bit silly donning her GOAT leotard on the bronze medal stand.

+2

A big part of an athlete's career is knowing when to pack it in. Getting that decision wrong can be fatal to one's legacy.

This. Perhaps. But like all sports when one athlete decides to quit that creates space for another to shine. Biles quit and Lee rose to the occasion. Congrats to Suni!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

I worry less for them. They know and trust themselves to make good decisions. They don't base their decisions on what you think. I think that's great, even if it denies you the entertainment of seeing one of them break her neck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

I worry less for them. They know and trust themselves to make good decisions. They don't base their decisions on what you think. I think that's great, even if it denies you the entertainment of seeing one of them break her neck.

Seriously. I think there is a subset of America who could hear that Biles was in danger of breaking her neck and still think she should have gone on, because she doesn't matter to them as a human being.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

I worry less for them. They know and trust themselves to make good decisions. They don't base their decisions on what you think. I think that's great, even if it denies you the entertainment of seeing one of them break her neck.

No one wants her to break her neck, and no one is saying she should have performed if it wasn’t safe. So dramatic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

I worry less for them. They know and trust themselves to make good decisions. They don't base their decisions on what you think. I think that's great, even if it denies you the entertainment of seeing one of them break her neck.

Seriously. I think there is a subset of America who could hear that Biles was in danger of breaking her neck and still think she should have gone on, because she doesn't matter to them as a human being.

Then don't perform at a level that would cause you to break your neck? Surely she's capable of toning it a notch? Or is that impossible in gymnastics?

However you spin it, she is a quitter. And it's bad form to wait until the Olympics and then suddenly quit.

[Anonymous]

She quit because she was about to lose. Her pride wouldn’t let her continue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read this whole thread so I think this is a somewhat different take - but I have ZERO problem with what Simone Biles did. I DO have a problem with the way it’s being covered, however. Pulling out of a dangerous competition at the last minute, potentially leaving teammates who are counting on you in the lurch is surely a very difficult, but very rational and understandable decision. It is certainly not villainous or selfish; neither is it brave or courageous. It is just an unfortunate and crappy situation that all the gymnasts handled to the best of their ability.

WHY do we have to resort to this childish, binary, black-or-white, good-or-bad, cowardly-or-brave narrative for EVERYTHING these days? It’s ridiculous.

She’s not selfish, she’s not bad, but she’s also no hero.

Of course it's a brave and courageous thing to do because: 1) mental health issues aren't accepted as medical issues in much of America and 2) people are mean and criticize anyone who shows a bit of weakness. The fact that people like you are complaining she "left her teammates in the lurch" is ridiculous--she didn't compete because she didn't feel healthy to do so.

Okay - I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I am old school and still believe that words have meaning. You are apparently from a younger generation for whom any decision anyone ever makes about anything ever is “brave” or “courageous” because they’re taking care of themselves or living their truth or some other such nonsense.

You also can’t seem to read, like most younger folks in America. At no point did I criticize Simone Biles for leaving her teammates in the lurch, but objectively that is exactly what she did. The fact that she had perfectly good and valid reasons for doing so doesn’t change that fact. They came through admirably and should be commended, and she made the best choice she had available to her at the time (withdrawing) which is certainly commendable in itself but NOT courageous. FFS, people.

So agree. This is the millennial generation, lionizing something that was nothing more than an unfortunate situation.

+1. She has the right to step away whenever she wants, but it doesn’t make her a hero. I do worry for our younger generations.

I worry less for them. They know and trust themselves to make good decisions. They don't base their decisions on what you think. I think that's great, even if it denies you the entertainment of seeing one of them break her neck.

Seriously. I think there is a subset of America who could hear that Biles was in danger of breaking her neck and still think she should have gone on, because she doesn't matter to them as a human being.

Then don't perform at a level that would cause you to break your neck? Surely she's capable of toning it a notch? Or is that impossible in gymnastics?

However you spin it, she is a quitter. And it's bad form to wait until the Olympics and then suddenly quit.

Np- she WAS toning it down. It’s not like she was going for the double pike. She got lost on what should have been an easy vault ( for her). She got lost in the air. It wasn’t a slip up. It wasn’t a bad day. She was done.