The prospect of kids not going back to school until 2021

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This. I really hope public pressure is going to become so intense that the safetyists won't be able to implement their indefinite school reduction plan for more than a few months.

I've been fully compliant will stay-at-home orders, I diligently wear a mask when I go among people and I think everyone should (except young kids), but keeping kids in very part-time school for the foreseeable future is a crazy plan and really discredits the whole lockdown approach, to goal of which was ostensibly to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. Covid will be with us for a while and life has never been risk-free. We have to weigh costs and benefits, as we do in all areas of life. It's not like Covid is such an outsized threat compared to all the other things one could die of on any given day that we should just completely stop forever living normal lives with reasonable precautions. I hardly ever agree with Republicans on anything, but on this matter, they have a point.

I know everyone is counting on a vaccine within the next year but that is far from certain.

You're being way too reasonable for this crowd.

+100. First it was to flatten the curve, then it just continued. And now it seems like the new goal is 0% risk. 0% risk is not logical or attainable. Yet, here we are with no end date. I mean, we can't just keep the school situation all messed up for an undisclosed period of time. It's ridiculous.

I don't think it will be for an undisclosed period of time. I think after the vaccine comes out the kids will go back. I wish I could believe that it was coming sooner rather than later but it doesn't seem to be realistic.

"after the vaccine comes out" = "an undisclosed period of time"

It seems likely that there will be a vaccine at some point. But there's no guarantee. And we don't know when.

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She literally said everyone should wear masks "except young kids"-so just adults then? I'm not working closely with unmasked children. I teach elementary school. I should just accept that she doesn't think they should wear masks and everything is cool? Not happening.

OK. Kids will wear masks, you will teach. All good now?

Necessary but not sufficient. I also need cleaning supplies, custodial staff to be paid to work additional hours, and a strict sick child policy. Still, we aren't opening at full capacity. That isn't my choice-it comes from way above me.

If anybody has made any decision about that, they haven't made it public.

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This. I really hope public pressure is going to become so intense that the safetyists won't be able to implement their indefinite school reduction plan for more than a few months.

I've been fully compliant will stay-at-home orders, I diligently wear a mask when I go among people and I think everyone should (except young kids), but keeping kids in very part-time school for the foreseeable future is a crazy plan and really discredits the whole lockdown approach, to goal of which was ostensibly to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. Covid will be with us for a while and life has never been risk-free. We have to weigh costs and benefits, as we do in all areas of life. It's not like Covid is such an outsized threat compared to all the other things one could die of on any given day that we should just completely stop forever living normal lives with reasonable precautions. I hardly ever agree with Republicans on anything, but on this matter, they have a point.

I know everyone is counting on a vaccine within the next year but that is far from certain.

You're being way too reasonable for this crowd.

+100. First it was to flatten the curve, then it just continued. And now it seems like the new goal is 0% risk. 0% risk is not logical or attainable. Yet, here we are with no end date. I mean, we can't just keep the school situation all messed up for an undisclosed period of time. It's ridiculous.

I don't think it will be for an undisclosed period of time. I think after the vaccine comes out the kids will go back. I wish I could believe that it was coming sooner rather than later but it doesn't seem to be realistic.

"after the vaccine comes out" = "an undisclosed period of time"

It seems likely that there will be a vaccine at some point. But there's no guarantee. And we don't know when.

It’s ridiculous to wait for a vaccine. For an RNA virus! Not going to happen anytime soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark: 55%

This is why we can't do what they're doing.

Also, what are the demographics of Denmark? Is it as diverse? Do people all speak the same language, or are there multiple languages used?

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I don't think it will be for an undisclosed period of time. I think after the vaccine comes out the kids will go back. I wish I could believe that it was coming sooner rather than later but it doesn't seem to be realistic.

Then the 2020-2021 school year is shot. Even if the vaccine is aviailable on 1/1/21, it takes months and months to vaccinate 330 million people.

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This. I really hope public pressure is going to become so intense that the safetyists won't be able to implement their indefinite school reduction plan for more than a few months.

I've been fully compliant will stay-at-home orders, I diligently wear a mask when I go among people and I think everyone should (except young kids), but keeping kids in very part-time school for the foreseeable future is a crazy plan and really discredits the whole lockdown approach, to goal of which was ostensibly to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. Covid will be with us for a while and life has never been risk-free. We have to weigh costs and benefits, as we do in all areas of life. It's not like Covid is such an outsized threat compared to all the other things one could die of on any given day that we should just completely stop forever living normal lives with reasonable precautions. I hardly ever agree with Republicans on anything, but on this matter, they have a point.

I know everyone is counting on a vaccine within the next year but that is far from certain.

You're being way too reasonable for this crowd.

+100. First it was to flatten the curve, then it just continued. And now it seems like the new goal is 0% risk. 0% risk is not logical or attainable. Yet, here we are with no end date. I mean, we can't just keep the school situation all messed up for an undisclosed period of time. It's ridiculous.

Schools are the only consistent forum in this country where hundreds to thousands of people crowd together in small boxes, thin hallways, and tight stairwells. You're practically begging the infection rates to skyrocket by opening them up again.

Governments have to think of the well-being of the community. Not just the desires of fed-up parents.

Except that data from countries that never locked down their schools don't show them to be the cause of skyrocketing infection rates. How does that information fit into your worldview?

We've all seen the articles and the pictures of schools around the world opening up. None of them are crowded-there are a few masked kids sitting well-spaced out in a classroom, kids sitting in a marked off circle in the grass, kids lining up for temperature checks and tests. We can't even afford to supply our classrooms with pencils with our current budgets. Parents demand their kids back full time, so there's no way to reduce crowding.
How do YOU not understand the difference?

I said COUNTRIES THAT NEVER LOCKED DOWN THEIR SCHOOLS. Sweden, for instance, never shut down elementary schools, recognizing that DL was not feasible at that age. They kept operating at full capacity. Learn to read and check the facts.

Sweden didn't lockdown and they're suffering for it. I don't think this is the evidence you think it is.

They just became the country with the second-highest infection rate per capita in the WORLD and if you don't understand that children are carriers who took the virus to their family and friends....I don't know how else to explain that to you.

Sweden, Where No Lockdown Was Ordered, Becomes Second Most-Infected Country

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-where-no-lockdown-was-ordered-becomes-second-most-infected-country-1511885

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-taking-a-high-toll-on-swedens-elderly-families-blame-the-government-11592479430

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/swedens-exclusion-from-nordic-travel-area-swedens-foreign-minister.html

You could explain it to me if you were actually able to show me data that demonstrates that the schools were the cause of their infection rate, instead of just asserting your belief that kids are germy and therefore spread Covid like adults. Whenever they have done extensive contact tracing, kids have never been shown to be vectors.

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If we go back online, I just won't educate my kids next year. I'm not homeschooling and I'm not faffing about with the horrible 1 hour a day online garbage. I'll just take my kids out entirely and let them have a year to play.

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You guys saying the kids will go back when there is a vaccine are really crazy.

That could be 6 months or it could be 5 years. Are you honestly ok with kids not going back to school for 5 years?

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It’s ridiculous to wait for a vaccine. For an RNA virus! Not going to happen anytime soon.

Eh? The annual influenza vaccine, polio vaccine, measles vaccine, hepatitis A and B vaccines, rabies vaccine, and even the Ebola vaccine have already happened, so...?

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This. I really hope public pressure is going to become so intense that the safetyists won't be able to implement their indefinite school reduction plan for more than a few months.

I've been fully compliant will stay-at-home orders, I diligently wear a mask when I go among people and I think everyone should (except young kids), but keeping kids in very part-time school for the foreseeable future is a crazy plan and really discredits the whole lockdown approach, to goal of which was ostensibly to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. Covid will be with us for a while and life has never been risk-free. We have to weigh costs and benefits, as we do in all areas of life. It's not like Covid is such an outsized threat compared to all the other things one could die of on any given day that we should just completely stop forever living normal lives with reasonable precautions. I hardly ever agree with Republicans on anything, but on this matter, they have a point.

I know everyone is counting on a vaccine within the next year but that is far from certain.

You're being way too reasonable for this crowd.

+100. First it was to flatten the curve, then it just continued. And now it seems like the new goal is 0% risk. 0% risk is not logical or attainable. Yet, here we are with no end date. I mean, we can't just keep the school situation all messed up for an undisclosed period of time. It's ridiculous.

It amazes me that so many people feel that a Vaccine early next year is just a given. Vaccines take on average 15 years to be available.

I don't think it will be for an undisclosed period of time. I think after the vaccine comes out the kids will go back. I wish I could believe that it was coming sooner rather than later but it doesn't seem to be realistic.

"after the vaccine comes out" = "an undisclosed period of time"

It seems likely that there will be a vaccine at some point. But there's no guarantee. And we don't know when.

It’s ridiculous to wait for a vaccine. For an RNA virus! Not going to happen anytime soon.

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Anonymous wrote:Personal Income Tax Rate in Denmark: 55%

This is why we can't do what they're doing.

Also, what are the demographics of Denmark? Is it as diverse? Do people all speak the same language, or are there multiple languages used?

What does that have to do with transmission of coronavirus in schools? Is coronavirus more or less transmissible in schools with a multi-lingual vs monolingual student population?

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Anonymous wrote:You guys saying the kids will go back when there is a vaccine are really crazy.

That could be 6 months or it could be 5 years. Are you honestly ok with kids not going back to school for 5 years?

I'm honestly not ok with a mediocre education 1 hour a day for the next 5 years. They are going to be the lost generation.

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It’s ridiculous to wait for a vaccine. For an RNA virus! Not going to happen anytime soon.

Eh? The annual influenza vaccine, polio vaccine, measles vaccine, hepatitis A and B vaccines, rabies vaccine, and even the Ebola vaccine have already happened, so...?

Do you have any idea how long these vaccines took to become reality? Read a book omg.

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This. I really hope public pressure is going to become so intense that the safetyists won't be able to implement their indefinite school reduction plan for more than a few months.

I've been fully compliant will stay-at-home orders, I diligently wear a mask when I go among people and I think everyone should (except young kids), but keeping kids in very part-time school for the foreseeable future is a crazy plan and really discredits the whole lockdown approach, to goal of which was ostensibly to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from getting overwhelmed. Covid will be with us for a while and life has never been risk-free. We have to weigh costs and benefits, as we do in all areas of life. It's not like Covid is such an outsized threat compared to all the other things one could die of on any given day that we should just completely stop forever living normal lives with reasonable precautions. I hardly ever agree with Republicans on anything, but on this matter, they have a point.

I know everyone is counting on a vaccine within the next year but that is far from certain.

You're being way too reasonable for this crowd.

+100. First it was to flatten the curve, then it just continued. And now it seems like the new goal is 0% risk. 0% risk is not logical or attainable. Yet, here we are with no end date. I mean, we can't just keep the school situation all messed up for an undisclosed period of time. It's ridiculous.

Schools are the only consistent forum in this country where hundreds to thousands of people crowd together in small boxes, thin hallways, and tight stairwells. You're practically begging the infection rates to skyrocket by opening them up again.

Governments have to think of the well-being of the community. Not just the desires of fed-up parents.

Except that data from countries that never locked down their schools don't show them to be the cause of skyrocketing infection rates. How does that information fit into your worldview?

We've all seen the articles and the pictures of schools around the world opening up. None of them are crowded-there are a few masked kids sitting well-spaced out in a classroom, kids sitting in a marked off circle in the grass, kids lining up for temperature checks and tests. We can't even afford to supply our classrooms with pencils with our current budgets. Parents demand their kids back full time, so there's no way to reduce crowding.
How do YOU not understand the difference?

I said COUNTRIES THAT NEVER LOCKED DOWN THEIR SCHOOLS. Sweden, for instance, never shut down elementary schools, recognizing that DL was not feasible at that age. They kept operating at full capacity. Learn to read and check the facts.

Sweden didn't lockdown and they're suffering for it. I don't think this is the evidence you think it is.

They just became the country with the second-highest infection rate per capita in the WORLD and if you don't understand that children are carriers who took the virus to their family and friends....I don't know how else to explain that to you.

Sweden, Where No Lockdown Was Ordered, Becomes Second Most-Infected Country

https://www.newsweek.com/sweden-where-no-lockdown-was-ordered-becomes-second-most-infected-country-1511885

https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-is-taking-a-high-toll-on-swedens-elderly-families-blame-the-government-11592479430

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/17/swedens-exclusion-from-nordic-travel-area-swedens-foreign-minister.html

You could explain it to me if you were actually able to show me data that demonstrates that the schools were the cause of their infection rate, instead of just asserting your belief that kids are germy and therefore spread Covid like adults. Whenever they have done extensive contact tracing, kids have never been shown to be vectors.

Kids are always vectors. There's a reason parents and teachers have 6 instances of the flu, pink-eye, and the common cold in the winter and fall when people who don't interact with kids are perfectly fine.

There's also the fact that you seem to want to assert that somehow kids aren't carriers of a contagious aerosolized virus that last I checked affected the entire species.

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Kids are always vectors. There's a reason parents and teachers have 6 instances of the flu, pink-eye, and the common cold in the winter and fall when people who don't interact with kids are perfectly fine.

There's also the fact that you seem to want to assert that somehow kids aren't carriers of a contagious aerosolized virus that last I checked affected the entire species.

Kids are often vectors.