Who said there isn't a North-South divide?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m totally confused that people are still talking about a Key ASFS swap. I thought that was written off as an unworkable concept pretty early on. The only Key relocation scenarios that had real traction involved moving iimmersion to areas with more native Spanish speakers. If doing that isn’t in the cards this go around, I don’t think they’ll just move immersion over a few blocks to the ASFS building instead.

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I think it’s just wishful thinking.

It’s not happening. Key ain’t moving.

Pretty soon the only Spanish speakers at Key will be the teachers. The school has been captured by the surrounding neighborhoods, which are largely wealthy and white. Applications are already 4 to 1 English to Spanish. It'd be utterly spineless of APS to keep immersion at Key, as well as impractical.

False. Most of the previously zoned part of Lyon Village took a hard pass.

Half the students at key are zoned for either long branch or Taylor. Proximity matters. No other school send even half as many students as either Taylor or long branch. Of course there is a local constituency for it that wants it to stay right where it is.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m totally confused that people are still talking about a Key ASFS swap. I thought that was written off as an unworkable concept pretty early on. The only Key relocation scenarios that had real traction involved moving iimmersion to areas with more native Spanish speakers. If doing that isn’t in the cards this go around, I don’t think they’ll just move immersion over a few blocks to the ASFS building instead.

+1

I think it’s just wishful thinking.

It’s not happening. Key ain’t moving.

Pretty soon the only Spanish speakers at Key will be the teachers. The school has been captured by the surrounding neighborhoods, which are largely wealthy and white. Applications are already 4 to 1 English to Spanish. It'd be utterly spineless of APS to keep immersion at Key, as well as impractical.

False. Most of the previously zoned part of Lyon Village took a hard pass.

Maybe they didn't want Immersion? I'm sure they aren't arguing that they prefer to be bused farther away to a different neighborhood school. My concern is that this area of Arlington has very few Spanish speakers. The program should move where the Spanish speakers actually live, otherwise the concept of dual immersion is at risk. Also, now that the American Legion redevelopment looks like it's moving forward, they need more neighborhood seats in this quadrant. Using a building w/one of the highest capacities in one of the most densely populated areas and then filling it with students from other areas is maybe not the most strategic plan or best use of resources.

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There are quite a few Spanish speakers around Key and that area around Rosslyn is supposedly a priority area for affordable housing. Other areas of Arlington where there is lots of affordable housing have lots of english language learners who do NOT speak Spanish. Before saying there are no Spanish speakers in Rosslyn and surrounding areas, do some research. County needs to do research. Poor doesn’t mean Latino. There are a lot of immigrants from other parts of the world.

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Anonymous wrote:There are quite a few Spanish speakers around Key and that area around Rosslyn is supposedly a priority area for affordable housing. Other areas of Arlington where there is lots of affordable housing have lots of english language learners who do NOT speak Spanish. Before saying there are no Spanish speakers in Rosslyn and surrounding areas, do some research. County needs to do research. Poor doesn’t mean Latino. There are a lot of immigrants from other parts of the world.

No, there aren't. Most of key's Spanish speakers appear to live in or near buckingham. You can see this from the transfer reports. Second, aps has its own data, and it says key's applications are 4 to 1 English speakers. It's simple. The school is in the wrong location. You don't need highly detailed census data for Rosslyn to realize that the school is surrounded by mostly English speakers.

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So have it move to Barrett.

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Anonymous wrote:So have it move to Barrett.

Yes. Or barcroft.

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Anonymous wrote:So have it move to Barrett.

Yes. Or barcroft.

Barcroft should host some other language for immersion. Or languages. Amharic, Thai, Mongolian, Arabic, maybe even Mandarin or Hindi. That would be recognizing the diversity of the Pike.

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Anonymous wrote:There are quite a few Spanish speakers around Key and that area around Rosslyn is supposedly a priority area for affordable housing. Other areas of Arlington where there is lots of affordable housing have lots of english language learners who do NOT speak Spanish. Before saying there are no Spanish speakers in Rosslyn and surrounding areas, do some research. County needs to do research. Poor doesn’t mean Latino. There are a lot of immigrants from other parts of the world.

No, there aren't. Most of key's Spanish speakers appear to live in or near buckingham. You can see this from the transfer reports. Second, aps has its own data, and it says key's applications are 4 to 1 English speakers. It's simple. The school is in the wrong location. You don't need highly detailed census data for Rosslyn to realize that the school is surrounded by mostly English speakers.

If you have eyes and a brain you also don't need highly detailed reports. Newly arrived Spanish speakers no longer live around Rosslyn. They have been gentrified out. And there aren't 400 kids from affluent Spanish-speaking families to make up for the loss of the non affluent immigrant families who are concentrated in Buckingham and parts of South Arlington. APS has this data. Whether they will use it to make an informed choice is another matter. They didn't use common sense to move MS immersion, so it's not likely they will have the guts to do it at the ES level.

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Anonymous wrote:So have it move to Barrett.

Yes. Or barcroft.

Barcroft should host some other language for immersion. Or languages. Amharic, Thai, Mongolian, Arabic, maybe even Mandarin or Hindi. That would be recognizing the diversity of the Pike.

The purpose of immersion isn't to recognize the diversity of the pike and my guess is there are fewer than 1500 speakers of most of those languages. There are at least 30,000 Spanish speakers in the county.

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Anonymous wrote:So have it move to Barrett.

Yes. Or barcroft.

Barcroft should host some other language for immersion. Or languages. Amharic, Thai, Mongolian, Arabic, maybe even Mandarin or Hindi. That would be recognizing the diversity of the Pike.

APS has already said it's not adding or subtracting any option programs. So the Arabic Immersion school would have to replace Key or Claremont entirely. Do you have any idea of the planning needed to staff such a program? "Recognizing the diversity of the Pike" is one thing. But buying all new books & materials for 800 kids, finding dozens of elementary school teachers fluent in Mandarin or Hindi and developing an actual workable curriculum? That's not something you do with limited resources, with a timeline of 2 years.

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I drive around the western Pike every day. I see more non-Latinos than Latinos.

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We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

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Anonymous wrote:I drive around the western Pike every day. I see more non-Latinos than Latinos.

Good thing we have census numbers and don't have to rely on your unrepresentative observations and classifications.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

Lol, no. There are no pockets of poverty in Lyon village.

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Anonymous wrote:We'll see when the proposals come out, but I would bet money on key not moving. People need to realize that not moving key has effects on the rest of the county, especially with the asfs boundary staying fixed going forward. Looking at the other thread, it seems like the thought is to empty long branch to fleet, and move most of south of wilson to long branch. What do you south arlingtons think of that? Does that do anything to help with boundaries and disrupt poverty pockets?

all that does is shift all the poor pockets south of 50 to Drew and Barcroft and ripple those schools' poor PUs to Abingdon and Randolph and Carlin Springs. Unless you can shift some poor neighborhood to Ashlawn and upward, then no. It's just (again) catering to north Arlington's elite.