FCPS Skyview Boundary Scenario 1/2/3

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the best solution is probably to not try and backfill all of Westfield. 2000 students is fine.

Are you at Westfield? Have you figured out how many teachers would get destaffed and how many electives Westfield would lose if it went down to 2000? Why do you think Meren is trying to protect South Lakes?

There will be plenty of electives. And, plenty of teachers. Unlikely any will be destaffed when you consider those who apply to transfer or retire.

And, just because there are electives, does not mean your child will get into the class. My DD had to make choices because she wanted two electives that were only taught once and they were at the same time. This happens. Two_years in a row, she had to make choices--at Chantilly--which, FYI--is a very large school.

This is nonsense. You need a certain number of MC and UMC kids at a school in order to offer a reasonable number of elective and advanced/AP courses. That depends on your schools FARMS percentage. For example, Langley is a small school in student population but has many more electives and AP options than Westfield because almost the entire school is UMC kids.

FCPS needs to be very careful not to make Westfield worse off than it is now or the zoned MC kids will not attend and it will go into a Justice death spiral. If they are pulling 1000
kids out of Westfield and only moving in an few hundred, then FCPS needs to be very generous with the staffing formula for Westfield (like it will be for Skyview) to keep classes at the school.

Justice isn’t in a death spiral. It hit a reset years ago where the MC/UMC folks who wouldn’t send their kids to a majority Hispanic school with a high FARMS rate switched to privates and those who are confident their kids can navigate the school (many do IB) send their kids there. They have a strong principal who cut his teeth as an AP at McLean and Marshall, and the PTSA always seems to find people.

Sadly, Ricardy Anderson is big right now on moving neighborhoods out of the Justice pyramid to reduce the enrollment at the feeder 6-8 middle school (Glasgow), and that could end up pushing Justice over another tipping point if they aren’t careful.

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If the majority of MC people in a school zone won't send their kids to a school, that's a death spiral and a failing school.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly the best solution is probably to not try and backfill all of Westfield. 2000 students is fine.

Are you at Westfield? Have you figured out how many teachers would get destaffed and how many electives Westfield would lose if it went down to 2000? Why do you think Meren is trying to protect South Lakes?

There will be plenty of electives. And, plenty of teachers. Unlikely any will be destaffed when you consider those who apply to transfer or retire.

And, just because there are electives, does not mean your child will get into the class. My DD had to make choices because she wanted two electives that were only taught once and they were at the same time. This happens. Two_years in a row, she had to make choices--at Chantilly--which, FYI--is a very large school.

This is nonsense. You need a certain number of MC and UMC kids at a school in order to offer a reasonable number of elective and advanced/AP courses. That depends on your schools FARMS percentage. For example, Langley is a small school in student population but has many more electives and AP options than Westfield because almost the entire school is UMC kids.

FCPS needs to be very careful not to make Westfield worse off than it is now or the zoned MC kids will not attend and it will go into a Justice death spiral. If they are pulling 1000
kids out of Westfield and only moving in an few hundred, then FCPS needs to be very generous with the staffing formula for Westfield (like it will be for Skyview) to keep classes at the school.

Justice isn’t in a death spiral. It hit a reset years ago where the MC/UMC folks who wouldn’t send their kids to a majority Hispanic school with a high FARMS rate switched to privates and those who are confident their kids can navigate the school (many do IB) send their kids there. They have a strong principal who cut his teeth as an AP at McLean and Marshall, and the PTSA always seems to find people.

Sadly, Ricardy Anderson is big right now on moving neighborhoods out of the Justice pyramid to reduce the enrollment at the feeder 6-8 middle school (Glasgow), and that could end up pushing Justice over another tipping point if they aren’t careful.

PS - I do agree though with the rest of your post. FCPS really needs to be more thoughtful about the potential impact of boundary changes and apply a “what could go wrong” standard before making changes. One worries that they may just focus on making Skyview a “success” regardless of whether they do serious damage to other schools in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:If the majority of MC people in a school zone won't send their kids to a school, that's a death spiral and a failing school.

Do you have statistics that a majority of MC people districted to an FCPS high school aren’t sending their kids there?

Just because a wealthy white or Asian family may avoid a school doesn’t mean there aren’t other MC/UMC families at those schools.

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I think the fact that every neighborhood in the area --where the people know the schools-- is resistant at being rezoned to Westfield shows that Westfield's new boundaries should at the very least, not weaken the school further. It's a functioning school right now but you can see from the FARMs rate the previous posted listed, its close to moving into "MC fleeing the school" territory.

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

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Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

Hughes is not fine, it's classes and after school programs do not match or come close to matching Carson's offerings. It really is that simple. Fox Mill ES lost access to a large number of classes when it was forced to move from Oakton, electives that do not have enough of a peer group to offer, even HL IB classes because there are not enough kids interested in taking them, as well as a large number of clubs that there is not enough of a peer group to have at SLHS. Now you want FMES to give up similar programming and move to Hughes?

When the County gets around to offering similar level classes, clubs, and electives at all of the schools you will see people stop wanting to move from a strong school to a weak school. Want to keep kids at SLHS? Offer IB Physics HL even if there are only 10 kids interested. Or offer IB Japanese HL, the only language IB that is not offered at the HL level is the Japanese one which serves mainly Fox Mill families. Otherwise, kids will pupil place out. And now that Skyview will be the closest AP school, I promise you the pupil placement numbers for AP and the specialized pathways will increase. Until then, people will pupil place out or fight moving to a school that does not have the same programming.

There is a reason I feel strongly about moving FMES to Skyview. The kids at that school lost opportunities with the move to SLHS. There is an opportunity to regain access to lost programs. They were moved in the name of equity and were the ones thrown under the bus by every other UMC school in the area. It was BS and remains BS. We were sacrificed in the name of equity once, stop offering us up as Tribute.

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Anonymous wrote:Proposing Skyview and Chantilly to be near or at capacity while leaving Westfield with a capacity of 2800 with 2000 students or fewer, when the schools are so close by to each other in miles, would be a waste of taxpayer dollars.

The population needs to be reasonably balanced in numbers and SES, across the school buildings, whether people want to be moved or not. Its one school system.

Agree. The SB members and Reid catering to individual neighborhoods and making promises mid-process is so idiotic.

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

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Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

Hughes is not fine, it's classes and after school programs do not match or come close to matching Carson's offerings. It really is that simple. Fox Mill ES lost access to a large number of classes when it was forced to move from Oakton, electives that do not have enough of a peer group to offer, even HL IB classes because there are not enough kids interested in taking them, as well as a large number of clubs that there is not enough of a peer group to have at SLHS. Now you want FMES to give up similar programming and move to Hughes?

When the County gets around to offering similar level classes, clubs, and electives at all of the schools you will see people stop wanting to move from a strong school to a weak school. Want to keep kids at SLHS? Offer IB Physics HL even if there are only 10 kids interested. Or offer IB Japanese HL, the only language IB that is not offered at the HL level is the Japanese one which serves mainly Fox Mill families. Otherwise, kids will pupil place out. And now that Skyview will be the closest AP school, I promise you the pupil placement numbers for AP and the specialized pathways will increase. Until then, people will pupil place out or fight moving to a school that does not have the same programming.

There is a reason I feel strongly about moving FMES to Skyview. The kids at that school lost opportunities with the move to SLHS. There is an opportunity to regain access to lost programs. They were moved in the name of equity and were the ones thrown under the bus by every other UMC school in the area. It was BS and remains BS. We were sacrificed in the name of equity once, stop offering us up as Tribute.




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Social engineers are out in force this morning!

They say, let’s ignore Fairfax families and make moves no one wants!

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CBS!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Rocky Run is right next to Chantilly. Kids zoned to RR should all go to Chantilly (And I think now they do, except for the AAP kids).

They should but now Navy Oakton kids are getting rezoned there because Franklin MS is suddenly getting an elementary school that hasn’t been there in years and has priority apparently when they could just stay at Carson. Proximity doesn’t matter to these folks (they’re willing to commute all the way out to Oakton) so explain to me why should they all get moved over to Franklin while Navy kids will be split to different middle schools?

Really. I agree that there is difficulty with avoiding a split feeder. If Crossfield stays at Carson, then Oak Hill will stay at Franklin. Oak Hill is pretty certain to go to Skyview.

Honestly, Oak Hill and Crossfield should be at Carson/Skyview. Put Fox Mill at Hughes when AAP centers are in every middle school.

I would set Skyview boundary. Adjust Westfield on the edges and leave it be for a year or two. Then, work on the middle schools, if needed.

Franklin has been a split feeder forever--at least thirty years--maybe more. It's not optimum, but it is only two years.

Hughes is already a Center and there is no space for Fox Mill. Fox Mill should be at Skyview. There are Fox Mill kids within a mile of Skyview. We share a boundary with Floris and go to Oak Hill for AAP. Carson is right next door and we attend Carson. And most of us want to attend Skyview.

Let Crossfield stay at Oakton since that is where they want to be. And yes, I think that there are more Crossfield families that want to stay at Oakton then want to move to Skyview. The families that want to attend Skyview can pupil place for the specialized programs. They should be able to get permission to pick up a bus int he Fox Mill area or one of the other close by spots.

Hughes is not overcrowded. No need to lie.

DP.

Hughes is at 95% now and would be overcrowded if Fox Mill gets moved. I doubt it will happen.

The following middle school feeding pattern is plausible and very clean:

Fox Mill - Carson - Skyview
Oak Hill - Carson - Skyview
Crossfield - Franklin - Oakton

This will minimize or eliminate the split feeding at Carson and help Franklin.

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Hughes will be fine. For proximity, it should be Crossfield-Carson-Skyview and Fix Mill-Hughes-South Lakes. This will eliminate split feeders and keep space at Franklin for when AAP ends and all the Navy and Waples kids come back in 2 years.

Hughes is not fine, it's classes and after school programs do not match or come close to matching Carson's offerings. It really is that simple. Fox Mill ES lost access to a large number of classes when it was forced to move from Oakton, electives that do not have enough of a peer group to offer, even HL IB classes because there are not enough kids interested in taking them, as well as a large number of clubs that there is not enough of a peer group to have at SLHS. Now you want FMES to give up similar programming and move to Hughes?

When the County gets around to offering similar level classes, clubs, and electives at all of the schools you will see people stop wanting to move from a strong school to a weak school. Want to keep kids at SLHS? Offer IB Physics HL even if there are only 10 kids interested. Or offer IB Japanese HL, the only language IB that is not offered at the HL level is the Japanese one which serves mainly Fox Mill families. Otherwise, kids will pupil place out. And now that Skyview will be the closest AP school, I promise you the pupil placement numbers for AP and the specialized pathways will increase. Until then, people will pupil place out or fight moving to a school that does not have the same programming.

There is a reason I feel strongly about moving FMES to Skyview. The kids at that school lost opportunities with the move to SLHS. There is an opportunity to regain access to lost programs. They were moved in the name of equity and were the ones thrown under the bus by every other UMC school in the area. It was BS and remains BS. We were sacrificed in the name of equity once, stop offering us up as Tribute.

Pupil placement to Skyview will only be an option if there’s space at Skyview.

Not an issue now, but it could be an issue later once there are boundaries.

Honestly, they should move Crossfield to Skyview and get rid of IB at South Lakes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Social engineers are out in force this morning!

They say, let’s ignore Fairfax families and make moves no one wants!

Can you elaborate what you mean? I thought we were talking about a public school system.

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Anonymous wrote:Social engineers are out in force this morning!

They say, let’s ignore Fairfax families and make moves no one wants!

Can you elaborate what you mean? I thought we were talking about a public school system.

She doesn't want her kids to attend schools with all of their neighbors, just a bespoke curated selection of neighbors.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social engineers are out in force this morning!

They say, let’s ignore Fairfax families and make moves no one wants!

Can you elaborate what you mean? I thought we were talking about a public school system.

We are talking about a public school system that is hemorrhaging students.

When we talk of boundary decisions based on farms instead of stability, then more UMC and MC families leave. It’s the death spiral that a PP mentioned.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Social engineers are out in force this morning!

They say, let’s ignore Fairfax families and make moves no one wants!

Can you elaborate what you mean? I thought we were talking about a public school system.

She doesn't want her kids to attend schools with all of their neighbors, just a bespoke curated selection of neighbors.

Not sure what you mean. My family isn’t impacted by the new school. Nice try, I guess.