Man and Woman Shot and Killed Outside Capital Jewish Museum

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Anonymous wrote:The apologists on this thread for this assassination/murder are just wild. I’m wondering how far they would go - would they defend an attack on a synagogue because Jews are Zionists? On a Jewish preschool?

There have been multiple hate crimes that Zionists have done on their synogogues to cry antisemitism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fake-plan-attack-australia-synagogue-fabricated-by-organised-crime-police-say-2025-03-10/

Meanwhile Israel just bombed another school killing 36 in order to execute a journalist.

Just stop. You are morally bankrupt.

DP. I dunno. If you said, "omg, that's horrible!" you might have a leg to stand on. But your only response to cold-blooded atrocities in Gaza is "But, but, cold-blooded murder of 2 in DC."

It just seems so morally twisted to not be able to recognize the horror of all these events AND the interconnectedness.

You’re morally bankrupt because you are spreading lies and conspiracy theories about antisemitic attacks being fake, and justifying (if not celebrating) the murder of two Jewish DC residents. There is nothing “interconnected” about it unless you think these attacks and murders are justified. So just say that, and let us know how far it goes. Are attacks on synagogues ok? Jewish preschools? the Holocaust museum? Anyone with a Jewish sounding last name?

DP

Why do you persist in pretending that the PP is an actor in any of this? How far it goes? What are you even talking about? Like s/he is calling the shots and has control over what sane people recognize as consequences for actions taken that fall well beyond any one person’s control.

Look, I’m sure you are aroused by the idea of reporting someone to the gestapo and doing your solemn duty as an extremist Zionist. But give it a rest. Most people are just observing and commenting on events far beyond their control or influence.

As far as the question of interconnectedness, how can it be an anti-semitic hate crime if it’s not connected to the genocide you keep denying is happening in Gaza?

PP posted an article they claimed showed that antisemitic attacks are false flags incidents by Israel when the article showed no such thing

If you cannot bring yourself to say, full stop, that the murders in DC were horrifying, then you are morally bankrupt. Still waiting to find out if this guy was just targeting Jews or new these two were diplomats.

DP

Why does the bolded matter? Murder is horrifying regardless the identity of the victim. Anything beyond that is cumulative, right? Or do you have a threshold beyond “horrifying”?

I don’t. And that’s why scale and scope is how I evaluate relative horrors. Wars are horrifying the minute the first person falls. That’s why we look at the total number to die to settle on relative impact across different wars. Same with genocides. The shoah led to the death of millions. For that reason, we view those events as “worse” than the Armenian genocide or Stalin’s rampage.

Which gets to the point - yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed. But why are we even spending any time on that tragedy when over 40,000 innocent people have been killed in Gaza over the past 18 months and hundreds of thousands of survivors have experienced trauma that none of us will ever know?

It’s not either / or, but it’s also borderline outrageous that you fail to acknowledge or understand the gravity of a genocide that’s occurring right now.

yes it matters if it was politically motivated vs Jew hunting. And if you continue to basically defend killing Jews in the US because of Gaza, I don’t know what to tell you except that you are a morally bankrupt antisemite. And more concretely, how do you think you are going to convince Israel to stand down if your overall view is that Jews deserve to die and should stop complaining? Even Jews with nothing to do with Israel.

What are you gaining by literally making false claims about what I said?

Read what is bolded below (and in the post you responded to) - and then, if you have an ounce of integrity, apologize.

yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The apologists on this thread for this assassination/murder are just wild. I’m wondering how far they would go - would they defend an attack on a synagogue because Jews are Zionists? On a Jewish preschool?

There have been multiple hate crimes that Zionists have done on their synogogues to cry antisemitism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fake-plan-attack-australia-synagogue-fabricated-by-organised-crime-police-say-2025-03-10/

Meanwhile Israel just bombed another school killing 36 in order to execute a journalist.

Just stop. You are morally bankrupt.

DP. I dunno. If you said, "omg, that's horrible!" you might have a leg to stand on. But your only response to cold-blooded atrocities in Gaza is "But, but, cold-blooded murder of 2 in DC."

It just seems so morally twisted to not be able to recognize the horror of all these events AND the interconnectedness.

You’re morally bankrupt because you are spreading lies and conspiracy theories about antisemitic attacks being fake, and justifying (if not celebrating) the murder of two Jewish DC residents. There is nothing “interconnected” about it unless you think these attacks and murders are justified. So just say that, and let us know how far it goes. Are attacks on synagogues ok? Jewish preschools? the Holocaust museum? Anyone with a Jewish sounding last name?

DP

Why do you persist in pretending that the PP is an actor in any of this? How far it goes? What are you even talking about? Like s/he is calling the shots and has control over what sane people recognize as consequences for actions taken that fall well beyond any one person’s control.

Look, I’m sure you are aroused by the idea of reporting someone to the gestapo and doing your solemn duty as an extremist Zionist. But give it a rest. Most people are just observing and commenting on events far beyond their control or influence.

As far as the question of interconnectedness, how can it be an anti-semitic hate crime if it’s not connected to the genocide you keep denying is happening in Gaza?

PP posted an article they claimed showed that antisemitic attacks are false flags incidents by Israel when the article showed no such thing

If you cannot bring yourself to say, full stop, that the murders in DC were horrifying, then you are morally bankrupt. Still waiting to find out if this guy was just targeting Jews or new these two were diplomats.

DP

Why does the bolded matter? Murder is horrifying regardless the identity of the victim. Anything beyond that is cumulative, right? Or do you have a threshold beyond “horrifying”?

I don’t. And that’s why scale and scope is how I evaluate relative horrors. Wars are horrifying the minute the first person falls. That’s why we look at the total number to die to settle on relative impact across different wars. Same with genocides. The shoah led to the death of millions. For that reason, we view those events as “worse” than the Armenian genocide or Stalin’s rampage.

Which gets to the point - yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed. But why are we even spending any time on that tragedy when over 40,000 innocent people have been killed in Gaza over the past 18 months and hundreds of thousands of survivors have experienced trauma that none of us will ever know?

It’s not either / or, but it’s also borderline outrageous that you fail to acknowledge or understand the gravity of a genocide that’s occurring right now.

yes it matters if it was politically motivated vs Jew hunting. And if you continue to basically defend killing Jews in the US because of Gaza, I don’t know what to tell you except that you are a morally bankrupt antisemite. And more concretely, how do you think you are going to convince Israel to stand down if your overall view is that Jews deserve to die and should stop complaining? Even Jews with nothing to do with Israel.

What are you gaining by literally making false claims about what I said?

Read what is bolded below (and in the post you responded to) - and then, if you have an ounce of integrity, apologize.

yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed.

And then you went on to excuse it and claim that anyone who is upset by it cannot say anything unless they also say something about Gaza. And you also specifically said that it makes no difference if the killings were politically motivated targets as diplomats or just hunting down any Jew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

(And by the way - I’d wager that if someone were to target any Jewish institution in DC it is more likely than not that the victims would include pro-peace/anti Bibi people. It’s not a fringe view here at all)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The apologists on this thread for this assassination/murder are just wild. I’m wondering how far they would go - would they defend an attack on a synagogue because Jews are Zionists? On a Jewish preschool?

There have been multiple hate crimes that Zionists have done on their synogogues to cry antisemitism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fake-plan-attack-australia-synagogue-fabricated-by-organised-crime-police-say-2025-03-10/

Meanwhile Israel just bombed another school killing 36 in order to execute a journalist.

Just stop. You are morally bankrupt.

DP. I dunno. If you said, "omg, that's horrible!" you might have a leg to stand on. But your only response to cold-blooded atrocities in Gaza is "But, but, cold-blooded murder of 2 in DC."

It just seems so morally twisted to not be able to recognize the horror of all these events AND the interconnectedness.

You’re morally bankrupt because you are spreading lies and conspiracy theories about antisemitic attacks being fake, and justifying (if not celebrating) the murder of two Jewish DC residents. There is nothing “interconnected” about it unless you think these attacks and murders are justified. So just say that, and let us know how far it goes. Are attacks on synagogues ok? Jewish preschools? the Holocaust museum? Anyone with a Jewish sounding last name?

DP

Why do you persist in pretending that the PP is an actor in any of this? How far it goes? What are you even talking about? Like s/he is calling the shots and has control over what sane people recognize as consequences for actions taken that fall well beyond any one person’s control.

Look, I’m sure you are aroused by the idea of reporting someone to the gestapo and doing your solemn duty as an extremist Zionist. But give it a rest. Most people are just observing and commenting on events far beyond their control or influence.

As far as the question of interconnectedness, how can it be an anti-semitic hate crime if it’s not connected to the genocide you keep denying is happening in Gaza?

PP posted an article they claimed showed that antisemitic attacks are false flags incidents by Israel when the article showed no such thing

If you cannot bring yourself to say, full stop, that the murders in DC were horrifying, then you are morally bankrupt. Still waiting to find out if this guy was just targeting Jews or new these two were diplomats.

DP

Why does the bolded matter? Murder is horrifying regardless the identity of the victim. Anything beyond that is cumulative, right? Or do you have a threshold beyond “horrifying”?

I don’t. And that’s why scale and scope is how I evaluate relative horrors. Wars are horrifying the minute the first person falls. That’s why we look at the total number to die to settle on relative impact across different wars. Same with genocides. The shoah led to the death of millions. For that reason, we view those events as “worse” than the Armenian genocide or Stalin’s rampage.

Which gets to the point - yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed. But why are we even spending any time on that tragedy when over 40,000 innocent people have been killed in Gaza over the past 18 months and hundreds of thousands of survivors have experienced trauma that none of us will ever know?

It’s not either / or, but it’s also borderline outrageous that you fail to acknowledge or understand the gravity of a genocide that’s occurring right now.

yes it matters if it was politically motivated vs Jew hunting. And if you continue to basically defend killing Jews in the US because of Gaza, I don’t know what to tell you except that you are a morally bankrupt antisemite. And more concretely, how do you think you are going to convince Israel to stand down if your overall view is that Jews deserve to die and should stop complaining? Even Jews with nothing to do with Israel.

What are you gaining by literally making false claims about what I said?

Read what is bolded below (and in the post you responded to) - and then, if you have an ounce of integrity, apologize.

yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed.

And then you went on to excuse it and claim that anyone who is upset by it cannot say anything unless they also say something about Gaza. And you also specifically said that it makes no difference if the killings were politically motivated targets as diplomats or just hunting down any Jew.

… like the sick Fs who have spent the past 18 months trying to silence critics of Israel on the false basis that those critics didn’t do enough to satisfy the psychos that they also condemned Hamas?

Like that?

Yeah, GTFOH … you just played the wrong card with your false claims and putting words that were never said or insinuated in the mouths of others.

Drop your mask elsewhere , Nazi 2.0 spox.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Joseph Neumayer, a Jewish dual US-German citizen has been deported from Israel to the US after allegedly trying to burn down the US embassy in Tel Aviv, American officials say.

His website lists him as “last in a long line of distinguished Jewish academics”, he was a member of Hillel house at college, and his social media profiles all were with Israeli flag in bio

imgur link of a screenshot of his bio

https://imgur.com/a/7pySkF5

Interesting that his socials are very pro Zionist and his company is partnered with the state of Israel

No one cares because the perpetrator is Jewish so crying antisemitism doesn't work in this situation. It's only useful when they can conflate zionism and judaism to play the victim.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

No, this is Luigi Mangione self-radicalized online to real life terrorism.

Don’t like an industry? Pick a conference, find a speaker on the agenda, stalk them and shoot them down as they walk to breakfast.

Don’t like Israel? Pick a Jewish conference, stalk the even and shoot people exiting the event 26 times.

Easy peasy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

I think more likely he was targeted for the connection to the embassy since they represent an extension of the foreign government and his gripes were about Israel and it's genocide

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

(And by the way - I’d wager that if someone were to target any Jewish institution in DC it is more likely than not that the victims would include pro-peace/anti Bibi people. It’s not a fringe view here at all)

The Israeli embassy is not just any Jewish institution. That’s top level. These two were a liability as possible whistleblowers. I’m just trying to play devils advocate here. This was not some top loss for the Israeli brain trust making the decisions. They were two Gen Z kids age 26 and 30 devoted to the peace process and interfaith dialogue. I just don’t get how an anti semite with a loaded gun travels all the way from Chicago to kill 2 people. I’m sure the museum was packed with people coming to and fro and yet this guy waited hours to kill these 2 people in particular as if he was given an order or had some gripe with these 2?

[Anonymous]

Well now you're going to have even more people upset with the Israeli government and it's politics now that they are threatening to annex the West Bank.

Sounds like once they've finshed the genocide and ethnic cleansing of Gaza, they will set their sights on the West bank.


https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-05-26/ty-article/.premium/netanyahus-top-ally-threatens-west-bank-annexation-if-palestinian-state-declared/00000197-0c1f-dc94-ab97-0e1f0c110000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

(And by the way - I’d wager that if someone were to target any Jewish institution in DC it is more likely than not that the victims would include pro-peace/anti Bibi people. It’s not a fringe view here at all)

The Israeli embassy is not just any Jewish institution. That’s top level. These two were a liability as possible whistleblowers. I’m just trying to play devils advocate here. This was not some top loss for the Israeli brain trust making the decisions. They were two Gen Z kids age 26 and 30 devoted to the peace process and interfaith dialogue. I just don’t get how an anti semite with a loaded gun travels all the way from Chicago to kill 2 people. I’m sure the museum was packed with people coming to and fro and yet this guy waited hours to kill these 2 people in particular as if he was given an order or had some gripe with these 2?

Can you explain to me how one is devoted to the peace process while proclaim that children should be killed and genocidal rhetoric.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

(And by the way - I’d wager that if someone were to target any Jewish institution in DC it is more likely than not that the victims would include pro-peace/anti Bibi people. It’s not a fringe view here at all)

The Israeli embassy is not just any Jewish institution. That’s top level. These two were a liability as possible whistleblowers. I’m just trying to play devils advocate here. This was not some top loss for the Israeli brain trust making the decisions. They were two Gen Z kids age 26 and 30 devoted to the peace process and interfaith dialogue. I just don’t get how an anti semite with a loaded gun travels all the way from Chicago to kill 2 people. I’m sure the museum was packed with people coming to and fro and yet this guy waited hours to kill these 2 people in particular as if he was given an order or had some gripe with these 2?

Can you explain to me how one is devoted to the peace process while proclaim that children should be killed and genocidal rhetoric.

Probably the same way Israel prime ministers get noble peace prizes while being terrorists and calling for ethnic cleansing.

Or how Israeli President Isaac Herzog Stated, “We Are Peace Seekers” while committing genocide

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Anonymous wrote:The apologists on this thread for this assassination/murder are just wild. I’m wondering how far they would go - would they defend an attack on a synagogue because Jews are Zionists? On a Jewish preschool?

There have been multiple hate crimes that Zionists have done on their synogogues to cry antisemitism.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/fake-plan-attack-australia-synagogue-fabricated-by-organised-crime-police-say-2025-03-10/

Meanwhile Israel just bombed another school killing 36 in order to execute a journalist.

Just stop. You are morally bankrupt.

DP. I dunno. If you said, "omg, that's horrible!" you might have a leg to stand on. But your only response to cold-blooded atrocities in Gaza is "But, but, cold-blooded murder of 2 in DC."

It just seems so morally twisted to not be able to recognize the horror of all these events AND the interconnectedness.

You’re morally bankrupt because you are spreading lies and conspiracy theories about antisemitic attacks being fake, and justifying (if not celebrating) the murder of two Jewish DC residents. There is nothing “interconnected” about it unless you think these attacks and murders are justified. So just say that, and let us know how far it goes. Are attacks on synagogues ok? Jewish preschools? the Holocaust museum? Anyone with a Jewish sounding last name?

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Why do you persist in pretending that the PP is an actor in any of this? How far it goes? What are you even talking about? Like s/he is calling the shots and has control over what sane people recognize as consequences for actions taken that fall well beyond any one person’s control.

Look, I’m sure you are aroused by the idea of reporting someone to the gestapo and doing your solemn duty as an extremist Zionist. But give it a rest. Most people are just observing and commenting on events far beyond their control or influence.

As far as the question of interconnectedness, how can it be an anti-semitic hate crime if it’s not connected to the genocide you keep denying is happening in Gaza?

PP posted an article they claimed showed that antisemitic attacks are false flags incidents by Israel when the article showed no such thing

If you cannot bring yourself to say, full stop, that the murders in DC were horrifying, then you are morally bankrupt. Still waiting to find out if this guy was just targeting Jews or new these two were diplomats.

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Why does the bolded matter? Murder is horrifying regardless the identity of the victim. Anything beyond that is cumulative, right? Or do you have a threshold beyond “horrifying”?

I don’t. And that’s why scale and scope is how I evaluate relative horrors. Wars are horrifying the minute the first person falls. That’s why we look at the total number to die to settle on relative impact across different wars. Same with genocides. The shoah led to the death of millions. For that reason, we view those events as “worse” than the Armenian genocide or Stalin’s rampage.

Which gets to the point - yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed. But why are we even spending any time on that tragedy when over 40,000 innocent people have been killed in Gaza over the past 18 months and hundreds of thousands of survivors have experienced trauma that none of us will ever know?

It’s not either / or, but it’s also borderline outrageous that you fail to acknowledge or understand the gravity of a genocide that’s occurring right now.

yes it matters if it was politically motivated vs Jew hunting. And if you continue to basically defend killing Jews in the US because of Gaza, I don’t know what to tell you except that you are a morally bankrupt antisemite. And more concretely, how do you think you are going to convince Israel to stand down if your overall view is that Jews deserve to die and should stop complaining? Even Jews with nothing to do with Israel.

What are you gaining by literally making false claims about what I said?

Read what is bolded below (and in the post you responded to) - and then, if you have an ounce of integrity, apologize.

yes, it’s horrifying and lamentable that these two individuals were killed.

And then you went on to excuse it and claim that anyone who is upset by it cannot say anything unless they also say something about Gaza. And you also specifically said that it makes no difference if the killings were politically motivated targets as diplomats or just hunting down any Jew.

… like the sick Fs who have spent the past 18 months trying to silence critics of Israel on the false basis that those critics didn’t do enough to satisfy the psychos that they also condemned Hamas?

Like that?

Yeah, GTFOH … you just played the wrong card with your false claims and putting words that were never said or insinuated in the mouths of others.

Drop your mask elsewhere , Nazi 2.0 spox.

This thread is about two people shot outside the Jewish museum. what exactly do you have to say about that? that they deserved it because they were at a Jewish place?

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Anonymous wrote:I think both sides have been absolutely horrendous throughout this whole thing. They both have legitimate and serious gripes, but neither has handled the situation well, and this has been the case for my entire life. My father was a journalist who studied the conflicts going back to the 1960s, and I grew up with it in the 1960s. Terrorism, suicide bombings, rocket attacks on the Palestinian side, versus decades of bad policy and outright crimes on the Israeli side, and complete intransigence, many bad-faith acts, poison-pill offers, lack of earnest negotiation. For decades.

A reset is needed. Fresh start, with a different set of voices.

And we all know that assasinating two Jewish Embassy employees in DC (including one American) was the way to reset …

Only 1 out of the 2 dead is Jewish. The woman is Jewish, the man is Christian. They apparently support Gaza relief. I don’t know if you know what happens in Israel but if you show any sympathy toward Gaza in public or social media , you will get death threats even if you’re a hostage family member who says stop the war because your family member is in Gaza and may get killed in the crossfire the Israelis will still insult and threaten hostage families. This is exactly what Bibi wants: the road to autocracy and total control

Because getting a death threat is the same as getting shot?

You really need to stop digging this hole for yourself.

You missed my point. My point was the woman who was killed was probably seen as a traitor like a Bernie Sanders. She’s a 26 year old American U graduate friends with groups like Jews for peace. It makes no sense to me the shooter traveled all the way to DC to a Jewish museum and specifically killed 2 people who happen to be proGaza. That sounds more like a targeted hit. It’s deliberate.

Oh well, that seems unlikely given his profile. I think the more likely prospect is that he just targeted whatever Jewish event or location he knew of and they just happened to be there. Or he knew there would be Embassy people there and he was too cowardly to attack at the Embassy itself.

(And by the way - I’d wager that if someone were to target any Jewish institution in DC it is more likely than not that the victims would include pro-peace/anti Bibi people. It’s not a fringe view here at all)

The Israeli embassy is not just any Jewish institution. That’s top level. These two were a liability as possible whistleblowers. I’m just trying to play devils advocate here. This was not some top loss for the Israeli brain trust making the decisions. They were two Gen Z kids age 26 and 30 devoted to the peace process and interfaith dialogue. I just don’t get how an anti semite with a loaded gun travels all the way from Chicago to kill 2 people. I’m sure the museum was packed with people coming to and fro and yet this guy waited hours to kill these 2 people in particular as if he was given an order or had some gripe with these 2?

They were standing outside the Jewish museum at an event open to the general public. It’s not even clear he knew they worked for the Embassy. he was likely just targeting Jews. But sure go ahead and spin a stupid conspiracy theory.