USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

It wasn't just about protecting America and minimizing American casualties. It was fundamentally about ending the will of the people to support what were effectively evil, anti-human, states. Perhaps this was more so the case with the Nazis than the Japanese, but at least the Japanese outwardly civilized. There is no evidence the Gaza populace has yet to reject the methods they support through their support of Hamas.

The people who replaced Taliban with .........Taliban. Pillagers who wasted trillion, wiping out entire generations and razing entire cities have come back for more blood, the blood of defenseless women and children.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

You must be mistaken. There are more protests and visible dissent in Iran than the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

Oy vey.

Think of it this way: if you live in America and can fritter away your time posting on dcum, then you are enjoying western values.

Similarly, if you are able to leave your house unchaperoned in a tank top with exposed hair…

Or if you don’t need to worry about being stoned or enduring an honor killing or being thrown off a building for who love…

Or if you recognize the rule of law…

Or benefit from capitalism…

Or enjoy public education…

Etc.

Is our democracy perfect? No. But it has the ability to evolve.

If you think life is better under a religious totalitarian regime, then I am not interested in helping you get up to speed.

You have described most of the world, even China and Russia but what you failed to do is to actually give examples of western values. Nice try though.

ICYMI: people can be tossed in jail or “disappeared” … there’s no rule of law.

It’s easier to describe those who don’t accept western values. Hint: religious extremist totalitarian regimes and the sheeple who love that brand of “religion” and (sadly) those who are forced to endure it.

#duh

You just described Israel.
Congratulations for finally seeing the light.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

It wasn't just about protecting America and minimizing American casualties. It was fundamentally about ending the will of the people to support what were effectively evil, anti-human, states. Perhaps this was more so the case with the Nazis than the Japanese, but at least the Japanese outwardly civilized. There is no evidence the Gaza populace has yet to reject the methods they support through their support of Hamas.

The people who replaced Taliban with .........Taliban. Pillagers who wasted trillion, wiping out entire generations and razing entire cities have come back for more blood, the blood of defenseless women and children.

We didn't even try to get rid of the Taliban. You can't compare effective warfare like we engaged in during WW2 to low activity police actions like we attempted in Afghanistan. We never tried to win in Afghanistan.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

But one can get doxxed and lose their job. Or kicked out of school. Or get arrested. So much for western values.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

It wasn't just about protecting America and minimizing American casualties. It was fundamentally about ending the will of the people to support what were effectively evil, anti-human, states. Perhaps this was more so the case with the Nazis than the Japanese, but at least the Japanese outwardly civilized. There is no evidence the Gaza populace has yet to reject the methods they support through their support of Hamas.

The people who replaced Taliban with .........Taliban. Pillagers who wasted trillion, wiping out entire generations and razing entire cities have come back for more blood, the blood of defenseless women and children.

We didn't even try to get rid of the Taliban. You can't compare effective warfare like we engaged in during WW2 to low activity police actions like we attempted in Afghanistan. We never tried to win in Afghanistan.

Just admit that we tried and failed. The Russians got their butts kicked and we didn't stand a chance. Say hello to Vietnam while you're at it.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

But one can get doxxed and lose their job. Or kicked out of school. Or get arrested. So much for western values.

You need a refresher course on what is/is not a "right".

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

You must be mistaken. There are more protests and visible dissent in Iran than the US.

LOL. You mean the 500+ people killed by Iranian government during the Amini protests?

Refresh my memory--how many Columbia protesters have been killed by the NYPD?

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

But one can get doxxed and lose their job. Or kicked out of school. Or get arrested. So much for western values.

You need a refresher course on what is/is not a "right".

And you need a refresher on the definition of "Western values."

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For the last time, if you support the protesters you are actually supporting their old Soviet values. They are parroting talking points invented decades ago by the Soviet Union and disseminated throughout Marxist circles in the West and the developing world countries they worked to pull into their orbit to help them oppose the West.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

Meaningless, paper values. A country where you cannot peacefully protest barbarity against 10s of thousands of babies and you have to pledge allegiance to a foreign nation.

Those meaningless paper values are the reason that you can type what you do without being horsewhipped, drawn/quartered, etc.

So they're not exactly meaningless for you personally, are they?

But one can get doxxed and lose their job. Or kicked out of school. Or get arrested. So much for western values.

You need a refresher course on what is/is not a "right".

And you need a refresher on the definition of "Western values."

Shall we start with Hobbes, or would you prefer to go back to the Greeks?

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

It wasn't just about protecting America and minimizing American casualties. It was fundamentally about ending the will of the people to support what were effectively evil, anti-human, states. Perhaps this was more so the case with the Nazis than the Japanese, but at least the Japanese outwardly civilized. There is no evidence the Gaza populace has yet to reject the methods they support through their support of Hamas.

The people who replaced Taliban with .........Taliban. Pillagers who wasted trillion, wiping out entire generations and razing entire cities have come back for more blood, the blood of defenseless women and children.

We didn't even try to get rid of the Taliban. You can't compare effective warfare like we engaged in during WW2 to low activity police actions like we attempted in Afghanistan. We never tried to win in Afghanistan.

Just admit that we tried and failed. The Russians got their butts kicked and we didn't stand a chance. Say hello to Vietnam while you're at it.

I agree we failed in some respects. But we were never going to win in the way we approached the war both during, and after the first few months. And I'm not saying we could have realistically approached it any differently once it became a hearts and minds exercise in occupation.

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Anonymous wrote:For the last time, if you support the protesters you are actually supporting their old Soviet values. They are parroting talking points invented decades ago by the Soviet Union and disseminated throughout Marxist circles in the West and the developing world countries they worked to pull into their orbit to help them oppose the West.

Nonsense