USC and Columbia Protests

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

There are lots of choices. Do you really want countries/dictators saying this? I can think back to some very evil people who probably rationalized they "had no choice."

The civilized nations don’t typically operate in a way that is worrisome unless a totalitarian regime (usually a religious extremist group) forces them to.

I mean, we can’t protect the world if we play by civilized rules while countries run by terrorists operate under some nihilistic approach, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For the last time, if you support the protesters you are actually supporting their old Soviet values. They are parroting talking points invented decades ago by the Soviet Union and disseminated throughout Marxist circles in the West and the developing world countries they worked to pull into their orbit to help them oppose the West.

Nonsense

DP.

Actually quite correct, at least WRT the origin/underpinnings of much of the protesters' messaging.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

Oy vey.

Think of it this way: if you live in America and can fritter away your time posting on dcum, then you are enjoying western values.

Similarly, if you are able to leave your house unchaperoned in a tank top with exposed hair…

Or if you don’t need to worry about being stoned or enduring an honor killing or being thrown off a building for who love…

Or if you recognize the rule of law…

Or benefit from capitalism…

Or enjoy public education…

Etc.

Is our democracy perfect? No. But it has the ability to evolve.

If you think life is better under a religious totalitarian regime, then I am not interested in helping you get up to speed.

You have described most of the world, even China and Russia but what you failed to do is to actually give examples of western values. Nice try though.

ICYMI: people can be tossed in jail or “disappeared” … there’s no rule of law.

It’s easier to describe those who don’t accept western values. Hint: religious extremist totalitarian regimes and the sheeple who love that brand of “religion” and (sadly) those who are forced to endure it.

#duh

You just described Israel.
Congratulations for finally seeing the light.

I can understand why you believe that…you’ve accepted the Tik Tok version of “reality.”

It’s like we are living in a bizarro world of #facts concocted by dum-dums.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

There are lots of choices. Do you really want countries/dictators saying this? I can think back to some very evil people who probably rationalized they "had no choice."

The civilized nations don’t typically operate in a way that is worrisome unless a totalitarian regime (usually a religious extremist group) forces them to.

I mean, we can’t protect the world if we play by civilized rules while countries run by terrorists operate under some nihilistic approach, right?

Who says we need to protect the world and since when has the US played by civilized rules? Invading countries, assassinating presidents, overthrowing democratic countries (IRAN!). Your biased ignorance is breathtaking.

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Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

But you love America, right?

And the far left wonders why they can't win anything in the US?

You ascribing values to a country is stupid. It's why people are shocked that a "democracy" like Israel is committing genocide. Clearly these "Western values" don't mean anything.

And THAT is why we can't be friends.

Western values are the cornerstone of the modern world, which afford the highest and best quality of life in the history of humankind.

The problem is not the lack of values or the content of those values, it's that they are too often ignored (including by the US).

What are these western values?

Codified individual rights most important by far.

Funnily enough, what Israel is doing in Gaza is entirely allowable (even expected) under traditional value systems. (Ask the victims of the Comanches, to name but one example out of a million).

The entire argument here is about whether Israel is living up to modern western values.

No bill of rights, no constitution, no belief in Western construct of human rights. The principle of inalienable, innate rights that are awarded to all individual human beings does not exist in Israel.

As I said, the argument is not about whether western values exist or have merit; the argument is about whether Israel is living up to those values.

We agree on the question.

OTOH, the poster who questions the very existence and merit of western values can go jump in a lake.

What choice does Israel have in this situation?

ICYMI: America has dropped bombs that decimated entire populations. Why? Because it was the best (albeit terrible) option when the goal was to protect America and minimize the number of american casualties/deaths.

Sometimes countries are forced to make awful military decisions…particularly when powerful countries with military arsenals seem hell bent on wreaking murderous havoc.

There are lots of choices. Do you really want countries/dictators saying this? I can think back to some very evil people who probably rationalized they "had no choice."

The civilized nations don’t typically operate in a way that is worrisome unless a totalitarian regime (usually a religious extremist group) forces them to.

I mean, we can’t protect the world if we play by civilized rules while countries run by terrorists operate under some nihilistic approach, right?

You are playing with fire. The “civilized” US, a democracy at the time, dropped an atomic bomb. Was that the only choice?

There is never one choice. Ask any strategist who ever lived.

Besides, the vast majority of humanity has failed to “see” any of totalitarian regimes until it was too late. Hindsight is everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I recently spoke to a lawyer whose firm represents a number of universities, etc., and long story short: antisemitism on college campuses has been a thing since before October 7 and students with Islamic extremist tendencies are typically but not always involved. The lawyer’s exact words: “what we are seeing in the news this week is nothing compared to what’s been quietly happening for the last few years.”

So, we have antisemitism but what’s the word for Americans supporting Gazans who are being bullied and shamed relentlessly by Zionists??? God forbid if someone opens their mouth to criticize Israel, so are well all supposed to take a pledge of allegiance to Israel? See, money can buy you power but it cannot win public sentiment and in the long run public sentiment is what determines if the powerful remain that way.

I’m wondering if you are capable of stepping back to see the bigger, far more complex picture…or if you are only able to hyperfixate on Gaza?

Literally everyone recognizes the tragic suffering in Gaza. Everyone. Even Israelis.

But the situation pre-October 7 and post-October 7 is far more complex than the overly simplified messaging.

We are dealing with multiple countries sucked into a very serious powder keg: Western values vs Anti-western values.

If you are posting on dcum, you enjoy western values.

What’s unclear is how this will end.

I think the West is hoping to move the needle rather than just maintain status quo.

If you can’t recognize the complexity of the big picture…sigh.

What are these "Western values" of which you speak? Does it include supplying weapons to aid genocide? Does it include rolling back women's rights to accommodate men? Does it include getting rid of abortion rights, killing millions of people since WWII, invading countries for oil? Please, I would love to know about these values you hold so dear.

Oy vey.

Think of it this way: if you live in America and can fritter away your time posting on dcum, then you are enjoying western values.

Similarly, if you are able to leave your house unchaperoned in a tank top with exposed hair…

Or if you don’t need to worry about being stoned or enduring an honor killing or being thrown off a building for who love…

Or if you recognize the rule of law…

Or benefit from capitalism…

Or enjoy public education…

Etc.

Is our democracy perfect? No. But it has the ability to evolve.

If you think life is better under a religious totalitarian regime, then I am not interested in helping you get up to speed.

You have described most of the world, even China and Russia but what you failed to do is to actually give examples of western values. Nice try though.

ICYMI: people can be tossed in jail or “disappeared” … there’s no rule of law.

It’s easier to describe those who don’t accept western values. Hint: religious extremist totalitarian regimes and the sheeple who love that brand of “religion” and (sadly) those who are forced to endure it.

#duh

You just described Israel.
Congratulations for finally seeing the light.

I can understand why you believe that…you’ve accepted the Tik Tok version of “reality.”

It’s like we are living in a bizarro world of #facts concocted by dum-dums.

Go back to your bubble if you can't handle the truth.
Which country has a religious symbol on its flag?
Which country calls itself the Jewish homeland and is ruled by an ultra religious Likud party?
Which country is arresting and assaulting Jews for protesting against the genocide in Gaza?
Which country is committing genocide in Gaza?
Which country is enabling the theft of Palestinian land in the West Bank?

[Anonymous]

I truly can’t believe these universities are actually “negotiating” with spoiled, ignorant, over-privileged brats who are running the show and ruining college for their fellow students.

Arrest them all and stop negotiating with 20 yr. old toddlers.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-war-campus-protests-47f4f7f0916a6493b79eede3e4d0a55d

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe these universities are actually “negotiating” with spoiled, ignorant, over-privileged brats who are running the show and ruining college for their fellow students.

Arrest them all and stop negotiating with 20 yr. old toddlers.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-war-campus-protests-47f4f7f0916a6493b79eede3e4d0a55d

Our future leaders

[Anonymous]

The liberal hellhole of UT Austin is disintegrating right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe these universities are actually “negotiating” with spoiled, ignorant, over-privileged brats who are running the show and ruining college for their fellow students.

Arrest them all and stop negotiating with 20 yr. old toddlers.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-war-campus-protests-47f4f7f0916a6493b79eede3e4d0a55d

Our future leaders

Not a chance in hell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For the last time, if you support the protesters you are actually supporting their old Soviet values. They are parroting talking points invented decades ago by the Soviet Union and disseminated throughout Marxist circles in the West and the developing world countries they worked to pull into their orbit to help them oppose the West.

Nonsense

DP.

Actually quite correct, at least WRT the origin/underpinnings of much of the protesters' messaging.

I agree.
They are even referring to those who sympathize as "comrades."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The liberal hellhole of UT Austin is disintegrating right now.

Hopefully the authorities in Texas have more common sense than those in NYC and CA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I truly can’t believe these universities are actually “negotiating” with spoiled, ignorant, over-privileged brats who are running the show and ruining college for their fellow students.

Arrest them all and stop negotiating with 20 yr. old toddlers.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-war-campus-protests-47f4f7f0916a6493b79eede3e4d0a55d

Guess who is not part of the "negotiations."
Jewish students. These university administrators and faculty couldn't care less about what they think or the impact these "protests" are having on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The liberal hellhole of UT Austin is disintegrating right now.

Hopefully the authorities in Texas have more common sense than those in NYC and CA.

Seems like they do. Texas DPS has a large presence - many on horseback. How long until one of these entitled brats claim that they were "whipped?"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These protests are so stupid. What does columbia have to do with the war in gaza? nothing. nothing at all.

What do the protetstors want? For Columbia to stop the war? What morons. They deserve to go to jail for idiocy.

They want America to stop funding the attack on civilians in Gaza.

I remember Harvard protests in the 1980s over apartheid in South Africa. They built shanty towns in Harvard Yard and slept in them. They wanted Harvard to divest in South Africa until they ended apartheid. The students at Harvard and other colleges made a difference in the anti apartheid movement and Nelson Mandela was voted president. It wasn’t all because of the students but they did help.

They should be protesting Hamas. Not targeting Jewish students who have nothing to do with the government sending money to Israel.

Collateral damage.